Amphicar BUYER Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 What appears to be a nice Amphi on eBay states "This car has gone thru a complete frame off restoration" How do ya s'pose they did that when the frame is integral to the hull? Must have been a tough job!! He should have stated it has had a complete nut/bolt resto or similar instead. Nice mildly customized Amphicar with only a couple of errors from what I could see.Yes, this is yet another example of mis-used or mis-understood terms in the car resto hobby. Why is it so hard to get it right? The over-used term of "restoration" for customization and NOS or "original" for reproduction parts and the list goes on. These are terms that are specific and not interchangable. If you were not the exact same company that built the parts for the factory, you are not OEM and unless the parts were produced at the time of the vehicle's production by the OEM manufacturer, they are NOT NOS. If the car is not as it came from the factory it is NOT restored it is custom. There is nothing wrong with a custom car or reproduction parts. Just use the correct (and legal) terms so you are not mis-leading anyone. That would also be called FRAUD if you are aware of the correct definition.I see so many cars described as "restored", but I have yet to see a 1934 Terraplane that came factory equipped with a 502 Chevy engine! Would you rather pay millions for an original Mona Lisa or a reproduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 What appears to be a nice Amphi on eBay states "This car has gone thru a complete frame off restoration" How do ya s'pose they did that when the frame is integral to the hullI see Austin Healeys all the time with frame off restos. Musta used an air chisel.Even the term "frame off" is stupid. I should be "body off". How 'bout "front windshield"?Speaking of Amphis, when I was a lad, I worked as a lot boy at Phil Rauch Studebaker in North Hollywood, CA. He was also an Amphi dealer, but sold them down the street at a different location. I don't think Stude would allow other makes in their showrooms. I believe he lost his a$$ on them because of some kind of laws. Don't know if it was DMV, Coast Guard or what. I remember seeing, maybe, half a dozen of them, brand new, sitting behind the building for quite a few years. I imagine they got junked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac59 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 That's like how everything is a classic once it's like, 10 years old. Or now how even your stock '50 Plymouth with a set of mag wheels to dress it up is now a rat rod, even though you just spent $3000 to have a correct original color paint sprayed on it.Good condiiton for it's age, that's a fun one - a nice way of saying really nothing at all.But frankly, you almost have to lie to sell cars, because if you're dead honest about it no one will even come look at it, and you need to get the warm body there to get them hooked on the vehicle enough to buy it and choose to ignore, or accept, the flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphicar BUYER Posted April 20, 2007 Author Share Posted April 20, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But frankly, you almost have to lie to sell cars, because if you're dead honest about it no one will even come look at it, and you need to get the warm body there to get them hooked on the vehicle enough to buy it and choose to ignore, or accept, the flaws. </div></div>Not true. I have not lied about any Amphicar I ever sold (been lied to, though). I now have people who will buy from me sight unseen. A man's word has got to have some integrity. I wish more people thought this way. If they know or love what they are buying, the flaws won't bother them unless the find them AFTER they bought it.I am doing repairs on a car a customer recently bought and it looks like the seller was not completely honest with him. It is in poor and dangerous condition. Neither road nor sea-worthy as he was promised. Take a look at just one brake setup (that's old brake fluid coagulated 1/4" thick) and the rest of the car gets worse from there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Binger Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 How about the word RARE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 It also can confuse people about car clubs. We have one here called <span style="font-style: italic">Golden Oldies</span> which is a street rod club. But every time the members of our local AACA region put their cars in a parade the announcers for the parade said, "And here come the golden oldies." No matter how many times we asked them to not refer to our cars that way to avoid confusion....they just wouldn't quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But frankly, you almost have to lie to sell cars, because if you're dead honest about it no one will even come look at it, and you need to get the warm body there to get them hooked on the vehicle enough to buy it and choose to ignore, or accept, the flaws. </div></div>I agree with John. Simply not true. If you lie to get someone to look at the car, they will be nothing but disappointed when they come to see it. If you disclose every flaw you know of, and they still come to take a look at it, they will be nothing but pleased when they come to look at it. In almost every case where I have sold a car, it was the very first person to come and look at it that bought it, and for the asking price. Why? Because the car was better than what they had envisioned. Also, if you disclose every flaw, you take away most the buyer's bargaining powers. It makes it tough for him to point out something that you didn't already tell him about. "Yes, I know there's a dent. I told you in detail about that minor damage, both in the ad and over the phone, and that's why I'm only asking $$$ for the car."If you lie to get someone to see your car, then you've got more time than I do to waste on showing your car to someone who more than likely will just walk away from it, without making an offer.If no one will come and look at it, it's more than likely that you've priced it too high. If you tell the truth and price it right in the first place, you won't have to come down in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 This one has always been my favorite:"Total body-off restoration; 100 percent original."And, of course, my pet-peeve: "original miles." I've done research on "original miles" and have discovered that they're actually a little shorter than modern miles. Goes back to ancient Rome (really, I'm not making this up). Their mile was about 5,000 feet, so if your odometer is actually calibrated to original miles (and I'm not sure why it would be, except maybe because your tire size is way wrong), you've actually got less than what the odometer reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Those are all good ones. The "Frame off restoration" when used on a Mustang is also a hoot. But my all time favorite is when you see "MUST SELL" used with "FIRM PRICE". Translation, you must by this from me at my price because I have to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlK Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If no one will come and look at it, it's more than likely that you've priced it too high. </div></div>Not always true. It depends on the area. Down here you can price a car right on the money for the condition, rarity, and desireability and still go begging, becuase they all want the #2 concourse car for the #6 parts car price. I'm constantly running into that with a 62 Dodge Dart 4dr sedan, 95% done and looking great and running superb, and the minute I tell them I'm asking more that $1,100 for it they leave vapors trail getting out of my driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Braverman Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about the word RARE ? </div></div>Cow poop on the subway is rare, doesn't mean it's worth anything. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about the word RARE ? </div></div>Cow poop on the subway is rare, doesn't mean it's worth anything. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>Rarity depends on the highway, and its worth more than a liar's description. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />If I am buying, the first found lie cuts the price in half; the second and I go home making no offer.Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I always find it amusing to see the folks who think old(ish) car with low miles = valuable. There's a fellow around here, though I haven't seen him in about a year, with a little old lady special Buick Appollo. It's pretty stripped with a bench seat, 6-cylinder automatic and an AM radio. It's a plain putty color. But it only has 17,000 or so miles and really is flawless. So he shows up at cruise nights with a FOR SALE sign reading some outrageous amount--the one I recall was when I first saw the thing: <span style="font-weight: bold">$90,000 or best offer.</span> Perhaps he finally marked it down to $900 or best offer and managed to move it (sorry Appollo lovers!). Just because it's the most perfect one extant doesn't mean it's valuable. I could spend $100,000 restoring a Ford Maverick, but that doesn't make it worth $100,000--it's still just a Ford Maverick. People often leave desirability out of their figuring.The advertising phrase I hate most? <span style="font-weight: bold">"GANGSTA"</span> or <span style="font-weight: bold">GANGSTER</span> car. Anybody with a late-20s to late-30s 4-door sedan inevitably refers to it as a gangster car, particularly if it has suicide doors. Unless it has bullet holes in it like Bonnie & Clyde's Ford or bulletproof glass like any number of Al Capone's cars, gangsters have probably never been near it. Grrrrr. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />PS: West, how does an "original" mile compare to an "actual" mile (as in 30,000 "actual" miles)? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">West, how does an "original" mile compare to an "actual" mile (as in 30,000 "actual" miles)? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>That would be the number of miles on a car after doing the math from "original" miles. In other words, if you had a car with 100,000 "original" miles, the "actual" mileage would be 94,697, i.e. 100,000 - (280 feet x 100,000 / 5,280 feet) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silverghost Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 "CLASSIC" Every old car around here is a "Classic" Does anyone know what this really means?"Rare"(you have not seen another since yesteday! "Origonal" Not maintained or cleaned since new..."Restored" New Earl Schieb paint-job covering bondo & rust holes! "collectable" Not every car is collectable!"Rare options"Pep Boys/JC Whitney Klenex box, floor mats, seat covrs. I even had a lady tell me that a 1967 Ford "Custom" was really a "Custom-Built car""My husband had it Custom-made just for him!" (really a stipped-down no frills base economy model ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac59 Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But frankly, you almost have to lie to sell cars, because if you're dead honest about it no one will even come look at it, and you need to get the warm body there to get them hooked on the vehicle enough to buy it and choose to ignore, or accept, the flaws. </div></div>Not true. I have not lied about any Amphicar I ever sold (been lied to, though). I now have people who will buy from me sight unseen. A man's word has got to have some integrity. I wish more people thought this way. If they know or love what they are buying, the flaws won't bother them unless the find them AFTER they bought it. </div></div>You will notice I said "ALMOST" .... the key is to be accurate without being so specific you turn people off right off the bat. Lying about it will turn people off. Get them there to see the car so that they can overlook the problems and let the money burn a hole in their pocket and you get a sale easier. Just don't say a car has a good frame if there's a big rot hole in it someplace. I have to agree, everyone wants the #2 car for the #6 price, and if it's any worse than #2, they want to give you less than scrap value for it. You can tell by the sometimes goofy questions they ask, like my '40 Buick coupe "does it run" ...it's been sitting since before I was born - That said, a Dodge Dart four-door wasn't the best choice to restore unless you plan to own it forever.But you have to get them there to see what they're buying. I certainly wouldn't claim a car needs little or no work if it's a pile of turd. But I won't stand there telling you it's a pile of turd, I'll say it's restorable, come look at it and let's see if we can make a deal. That Buick coupe looks good, it's solid, but it needs a complete restoration. I'm asking the #5 price. I turned down a $1000 offer on it. Somewhere between there and the #5 price, would take it away.Original - people misuse that to claim a car hasn't been modified from factory, like a hot rod or custom car. Like an all original car, with new paint and tires... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 The major problem with Ebay is that autos or other items are often being sold by people with little or no knowledge of the item. The key words seller use to list their items need to cover a myriad of possibilities due to the fact that buyers looking for things use assorted key words to specifically narrow down the selection to more exactly what they're looking for.Time and again I've seen the buzz words "Dodge, Chevy, Ford, Packard, Hudson...etc" to pulling in buyers on items that are not actually marque-specific like mirrors or license frames.If a 34 Terraplane is a rusting hulk that someone dropped a modern V-8 into 6 years ago and lost interest in the project then it is not restored in any sense. "Restored" simply describes a vehicle these days as one that has been extensively refurbished either to stock or modified condition in the mainstream Ebay usage of terms. Hell most people today don't know the true definition of hardtop versus a sedan! I see that all the time on Ebay.In non-auot categories sellers use the term "vintage" in all sorts of items' descriptive terms. Is a 10 year old leather jacket truly vintage? Well yeah if you're look for 90s vintage. If you want one from the 50s you search using that parameter. Even reproduction items of non-auto things use the "vintage" or "vintage reproduction" word in the key words list to attract people. "Vintage style" 'blank, blank' up for bid" is common on Ebay.Furthermore using "classic" is a misused term in all categories. Are a 1966 Falcon and a 1934 Pierce Arrow both classics? Can a new Indiana Jones fedora wool felt hat be called a "classic or vintage style" when a XXX beaver felt Stetson fedora made in 1948 is simply "vintage" or "classic?"A friend in our car group succumbed to cancer last year and his kids sold his superb 1940 LaSalle coupe. Certainly they didn't know anything about it or what buzz words to use in an ad. Was is "original" even though it had newer chrome and paint than when it left the factory?The Ebay sellers aren't necessarily attempting to fleece buyers buy using inappropriately expressive terminology they're just ignorant of the unending niche collectable stuff out there. They inherit or obtain things by chance and have no idea about what these things are. So is the 1940 Bulova still "original" even though it was cleaned and "refurbiushed" by a skilled watchmaker and sports a modern leather band since the factory band disintegrated decades ago?The verbiage they use is obviously legal in Ebay's sense. Is my friend's in-the-family-since-new 1957 Chevrolet with factory air that was restored to original condition except for a 350 in place of the 283, and is visually identical, bogus when he spent some $15,000 doing it? How "modified" is it? How "original" or "restored" is it? Does "frame off" describe reducing an auto to its most basic components and rebuilding, refurbishing, renewing them describe what the average person would understand as a "complete" resotation? Yeah it does.People in the know of specialized categories become ardent in verbiage. Those who collect and trade rare cast figurines would become insenced if we called them knick-knacks. All these Ebay seller can't be experts in every aspect of items they obtain unless they deal in one category only. Most sell whatever they think they can make a buck on including cars. So if they inherit grandpa's 54 Chevy "hardtop" and it's really a sedan we can't execute them for the honest misuage of terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaWildcat Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Ever notice how many plain-jane 50s and 60s cars came with LEATHER? I've e-mailed a few sellers to let them know just because it is shiny doesn't automatically mean it is leather... hello vinyl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard enthus. Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Dont forget us big game hunters...you know...the ones who hunt the Great California Nauga...(well..where DO you think naugahide comes from..anyway..?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest windjamer Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Ilove this forum espesialy west and wayne maby evan amphy, If you cant dazle em with brilance baffel em with bull s--- Good humer guys. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_steve Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...well..where DO you think naugahide comes from..anyway..? </div></div>Connecticut, of course! Or more specifically, *Naugatuck* Connecticut: http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=12160&si=126 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Hey Jammer, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't group me with those guys. You trying to ruin my reputation or something. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I'll throw in two mis-used terms (among many) that grind MY gears:"coupe" and "roadster"In the "true" (pre-WW II) sense of either term, neither auto had a back seat (rumble/dickey/mother-in-law not withstanding)... AND, both models had different silhouettes (body profile) than their sedan / touring-car counterparts.Oh well... I guess I'll go on E-bay and see how many "Edison Victrolas" I can find tonight... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest windjamer Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Gosh Wayne I be proud to be in the group, you one o da good guys, seriously sure hope your planing to make the Bing. meet. I would like to meet you. We could have a beer, opps I mean soda togather. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Sorry to say "Bing" (if you never spell it all the way out, you'll never get it wrong! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />) is not in my plans as of yet. I'll be in New Bern next month though, taking pictures. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BruceW Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The advertising phrase I hate most? <span style="font-weight: bold">"GANGSTA"</span> or <span style="font-weight: bold">GANGSTER</span> car. Anybody with a late-20s to late-30s 4-door sedan inevitably refers to it as a gangster car, particularly if it has suicide doors. U</div></div>Matt,I have people all the time calling our 1931 Ford "one of those Gangster Cars". I always tell them that someone would have to be a pretty bad gangster if all they could afford was a $500 (price when new) Model A with a 4 cylinder engine. He should have gone legit and gotten a real job. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Bruce, If you can't beat 'em - join 'em - I put my old (repro - not "original") newpaper announcing another bank robbery in the front seat of the "A" along with the "Connecticut National Bank" money bag - original, but not quite 30s vintage and everybody's happy. Mine does not, however, have "gangster whites" On a more serious note, I generally try to extract as much information as possible from a seller and am more concerned with how they answer my questions than their descriptions. Many car guys don't necesarilly lie, but may exagerate or have different perspectives. I do think Project/Parts really means a parts car.. Non-experienced sellers - heirs, etc. just don't know the proper terminology, but if you talk long enough you may get an idea if that two hour ride is worth it.Yes, the west may boast steer & cattle, but here in CT we are the home of "Naugahyde" - I have tried to raise some two-tone ones here but the neighbors and dogs do not like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ilove this forum espesialy west and wayne maby evan amphy, If you cant dazle em with brilance baffel em with bull s--- Good humer guys. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>I was being serious! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 One more unlikely term/scenario "never seen rain", or better yet "never been wet".....really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphicar BUYER Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ilove this forum espesialy west and wayne maby evan amphy, If you cant dazle em with brilance baffel em with bull s--- Good humer guys. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> </div></div>And maybe even Amphi? Whadoyamean by that my friend? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Hey John, the picture with your arm tattoo showing is scaring him. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Wolk Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 How about VIN number? ATM machine? Hot water heater?Here's another. My Continental Mark II is listed as a Sport Coupe on it's Production Order. What happened to truth in advertising?The slabside Lincolns were unibody and the term "frame-off" is often misapplied. One misdirected poster claimed that a unibody car could be "peeled like an onion" to get to the "frame" of the car. ROTFL!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac59 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 VIN is misused because we've had them for so long now, a lot of people forget there really was no such thing before 1968. I have a '36 Pontiac (I wish) and the number on the registration is the engine number - is that the vehicle identification number? The car has a serial number on the body or frame someplace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 When I bought my 356 Porsche, the number listed on the license plate registration was the engine number as well. When I had a title made, I asked if they could use the body number instead of the engine number for the serial number, and they did. I did that just in case I put the engine through a serious lunch break, which would not have been surprising the way I drove it. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Not to steal this thread, but I always wondered how well those brakes worked in the water anyway. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Okay, now back to the serious discussion. JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 How about the term no rust. I went to see a 78 Buick once and it was absolutely true. There was no rust ...on the car ... <span style="font-weight: bold">it was all in a pile on the driveway around it, including the entire rear bumper!!!! </span> JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhclark Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Then there is always "Ran When Parked". That one is susually not even true, otherwise why would it have been parked?Runs and drives. Yeah, but does it stop?No Rust. But plenty of bondo!Must see to appreciate. Yeah, I can appreciate a pile of crap as well as the next guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac59 Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 In fairness, now, those rear bumpers didn't rust so much... but whatever GM made the inner bumper out of.. some aluminum alloy.. just fell apart. Which is kind of too bad, the 77-81 Buicks are one of the few cars of that era I rather like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 I am a member of the Professionla Car Society, those folks who admire and collect hearses, ambulances, flower cars and limos. Even within that close knit group you still, though thankfully rarely, hear a "hearse" referred to as a "hurst"."Originally owned by Henry Ford". Wern't all Fords from the 40's and earlier originally owned by Henry Ford?"Cadillac LaSalle". Hear this all the time but have you ever heard Ford Mercury or Ford Edsel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Wolk Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 People refer to my Mark II as a Lincoln all the time. Continental was a separate division of Ford from '54-'58.I correct people by using my best Arnold S. voice and say, "It's not a Lincoln"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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