edinmass Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) All right, let’s add to the legendary cars from 1919-1921 that no one has any information on........ Tossing down the gauntlet.......Kenworthy.........4,6, and 8. Big car, interesting coachwork, unusual power plants. What does anyone have on them. They built about 200 of them, and two survive. Thoughts? Photos? Ed. Not to be mistaken for a Henway! Edited January 14, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Kenworthy power plant, eight..........thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 This one is for Jon/Carbking..........ID that carb please! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, edinmass said: This one is for Jon/Carbking..........ID that carb please! 👍 Rayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Ed - could you show a better picture, one where the name of the carburetor shows? I am not positive. My first thought was Rayfield, because of the covers; but it resembles a Stewart-Warner that also made a side-draft with covers. So going to guess Stewart-Warner. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Harper Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 "Motor Age", Dec 20th. 1920 includes a table with specifications for many makes. Both the Kenworthy 4-80 & 6-55 are listed. Interestingly the 4-80 is listed as having a Duesenberg 4 cylinder engine with a Stromberg carb. The 6-55 with a 6 cylinder Continental with a Stromberg as well. No listing for the 8 cylinder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) George.......good call. Rayfield it is! Terry was fast on the Google book search......three thumbs up Terry!👍👍👍 Edited January 15, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Guess I guessed wrong! In the FWIW category, my records show the 6 was a Continental 9-N with a Stromberg LB-2 assembly number A-7272. Would like to know which Rayfield. Most of the Rayfield covers were not round; whereas those used by Stewart-Warner were round. Further study of my records show the Duesenberg 4 used a Stromberg type O-3 assembly number A-7303. Jon Edited January 15, 2022 by carbking (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 F head engine.........in 1919.........they were a bad idea in 1912. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edinmass Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) The more things change......the more they stay the same....... Edited January 15, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Harper Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) "Designed by Kurt Hitke..." Hitke was a fairly famous racing driver. Normally I don't like wikipedia but for a very quick search.... Interesting the connections you can find. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Hitke Hitke in his Roamer Special 1919 https://indianamemory.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/IMS/id/16827 In 1919 he brought his Kenworthy (the article implies it was a rebuilt Roamer) home in third place at Cincinnati. Note that C.Y. Kenworthy was listed as a Chicago Roamer dealer. ("Motor Age", October 16, 1919) Edited January 15, 2022 by Terry Harper (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Fascinating stuff, thanks edinmass for introducing us to another short run automobile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 A projection of a million and a half cars in 1921 seems pessimistic. Didn't Ford alone make 2 million Ts that year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, oldcarfudd said: A projection of a million and a half cars in 1921 seems pessimistic. Didn't Ford alone make 2 million Ts that year? 1921 turned out to be a recession year and car sales were down, consequently. many auto manufacturers went under. Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Finally found my 1921 Rayfield catalog; no mention of the Kenworthy. Jon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 The Rayfield carburetor on that engine is the same carburetor used on the Ansted engine in a Lexington. I think they are Model M. I have had several. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Ed - I would pose a question, not meant as a contradiction: You mentioned the White carburetor as being manufactured by White. I am aware of a number of different carburetors which had the car manufacturer's name, and not the carburetor company's name on the carburetor; in other words, carburetors made specifically for a car manufacturer. The one that most would be familiar with would be the Packard Air Valve carburetor used by Packard from the mid teens to early 1929. Virtually all of these have the wording "Packard Motor Car Co", and no trace of Detroit Lubricator. For years, one of the early Packard enthusiasts and I had a friendly "argument" about these, until I finally found one with the Detroit Lubricator name on the bowl cover. Later, another enthusiast found the original print. Much more common were carburetors such as the ones built for Cole and Studebaker by Stromberg respectively, that had both names on the bowl covers. Before you posted pictures, I had not seen another carburetor with the exact internals of the White, and still haven't. Just bringing up some "food for thought". I do not have the capability, but would be interesting to see if White recorded any patents on the carburetor design. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I split this out of the excellent Porter thread. Both are deserving to "stand alone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 OK, I'll ask. What's a Henway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 About 4lbs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/14/2022 at 7:26 PM, edinmass said: F head engine.........in 1919.........they were a bad idea in 1912. Ed: Would you care to enlarge on this outlook for those of us with limited or no experience with F-head powerplants? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrhd29nz Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 That must be a cross flow as the early hudson super six flatheads. They used a side draft carb as well. So dude the early E4 F - heads very interesting motor. Odd to see all the cooling pipes not on the exhaust side of the motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 There was a Kenworthy owned by a collector in Tallahassee, FL in the early 1980's. I may have pictures somewhere. I left there in 1985 and he passed a few years later. I think his son kept some of the cars, but I don't know where this car is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Anyone deciding to tun Kenworthy thru old trade journals and old parts catalogs may have a job on their hands...' I have a 24 piston catalog, pretty reliable, that lists a model 55 Kenworh truck for 1920 with a Cont'l 9N, almost certainly the Kenworthy 6-55 noted above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The consensus when this appeared in the 'What is it?" topic was this was a Kenworthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I believe a gentleman named Kenworthy was part of the Romer/Barley company of Streeter IL and Kalamazoo MI. Is this the same person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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