Bud Tierney

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  1. Am deeply enbarrassed to learn, after years of being an amateur enthusiast, that such a professional organization really exists. My own fault, admittedly, for failing to run down references noted in the past..(too many questions, too little time!!... As an occasional wader in the quagmires of automobile history, you have my deepest admiration and Best Wishes for your monumental, if not Herculean task...
  2. Can't help om rod length... Have no actual journal diam but 36 catalog shows same rod bearing # for W4, W%...NOTE main differ, below... That catalog shows pin diam for W4 as .750 (12/16), for W5 as .859 (55/64, just under 14/16, if my math correct) Per that catalog W4 znd some W%--to 56554o-and 565591 to 567306 Domestic; export different).. Balance of W5 565541 to 565590 and after 567306.. (Domestic, export different) took a different set of mains....
  3. gtr8: Many thxx for the detailed and much appreciated reply; I see I should've done more digging before asking questions that'd been answered a long time ago... Maybe I'll check some of the other period journals to see which Cont'l it was... Again, many thxx!!!
  4. In looking into this model to ID the Beaver engine, noticed a confusion about its clutch; without reviewing notes (1) one account said Roebling designed with a multiple disc clutch... (2) another (or maybe the same) said engineer Porter was "hired in 1910" and "made improvements"... (3) another said the only major difference between the 1909 Mercer and the new 1910 was the substitution of a multiple disc clutch for the original cone clutch... Was there a 1909 Mercer, or was that the Roebling-Planche being referred to??? It seems some makers were, in those days, stating they were producing, and shipping, the 1910 or so models in July of the previous tear (shipping 1910 models in July 1909); did that result in calling the very first Mercers, shipped in 1909, the "1909 model?? Maybe the disc clutch wasn't ready/delivered in time for first production, and an off-the-shelf cone was installed in ain a few ?? Any comments appreciated; many thxx! Bud
  5. Just noticed this older thread... Be careful using state titles to date older trucks, as some states, at times, used the year the truck was licensed as the year model, not the year it was produced...so if the truck sat unsold for awhile, or was tied up in some kind of legal dispute, title could be a year or two off... oldihc people should be able to precisely ID it and comment on rarity/value...
  6. It's been tears ago, but my brother ran Hudsons for several of their last years production, to 1954, , always buying all the power he could incl Twin-H...Seven-X engine sound familiar??...anyway, a performane lover, drove fast and hard (Texas/NM), the only complaint i remember being that the U-joints couldn't handle the power, so the Twins must've been fine.
  7. Bud Tierney

    Briscoe

    Looks like was mostly confusion in dates in the gasket catalog, probably because was apparently practice then to announce, and ship, new model in middle of year..announce in July 1915 that 1916 model is being shipped!! The 33/16 in the catalog was marked 1916-19 when 1917-19 were actual "year models"....the 33/8x5 was correct for 20-21, which should be yours... the air coo;led motor apparently didn't sell as it wasn't listed; if few orders may never've actually been built or installed in production cars..... As to info re' yours, good luck (there's no evidence Briscoe sold engines to the trade)...production numbers were down in the 20s..can you still post a want on EBay??..too bad Autolit is gone, Walt would've had it, tho it probably would've cost as much as the engine...
  8. Bud Tierney

    Briscoe

    The paper trail for Briscoe is a bit confused... The original Briscoe model was imported late 1913/early 1914 by Briscoe for NYC show display, built by his French operation, Briscor Frerres, with an 80ccx100cc aka 31/5 (no typo) x 51/8 four... It was apparently then produced here in the US at the Jackson MI factory.... Various 1914 advertising described its "French Continental engine',(meaning French-European, no connection to US Cont'ls) and a company slogan was "The First French Car At American Prices" (was sold as "Light Car"..... In early 1915 (1st Qtr ATJ) the 1915 model listed a 31/8x51/8 motor: Lhd, bloc, water cooled...The Automobile piece agreed...(probably from the same factory press release)... In July 1915 the 1916 models were announced, a "new" 4 and a V8..the Four 37/16 x 51/8, a bloc Lhd water cooled.....again, ATJ and The Automobile agreed, the ATJ piece commented that the "new" 4 was 5/16 larger than the previous four, which matched the 31/8 bore reported for the 1915 model... Late in 1916 a couple of Cosmopolitan ads listed the new mystery engine available as an air coo;ed 31/8x51/8 and as 31/8x5, probably a typo, but did not run it thru the trade journals None of the above match the two Briscoe engines listed in my 1930 McCord gasket catalog, but that catalogs's had b/s errors before...a 1917 ring catalog lists 31/8 engine/s for 1915and 1916, (but two different ring sets) and a 3716 for 1916..so I have no idea how many engines Briscoe produced...I did not rum any 1917 or later trade journals or any newcar specs lists...
  9. If you're looking for an engine or info re' engine, you might also try The Gardner club, they apparently used the 4S and 4SL... The old-truck sites, as 4SLs got into Gramms, Republics and Stewarts plus some other orphans... Looks like the series goes 4S, 4SG, 4SL, 4SLH, 4SM, all listed as 31/4x4`1/2 and sharing some parts, altho 4SL does seem to've had some changes; don't know if they're drop-in fits for each other...--
  10. Didn't your original answer say to click on my name and a screen with the envelope would cone up, then to click on it??? Anyway, FYI, clicking on my name on my 1996? set brought a screen with 4 symbols (no envelope) at upper right--clicking on the one that looked like a magnifying glass THEN brought out the bell and evvelope.. Many thXX! Bud
  11. Please remind me how to open PMs on this forum; I promise to write it down this time...Bud Tierney
  12. Bud Tierney

    Briscoe

    W@ell, By Cracky, Briscoe DID have three engines... The original show car was imported from France with Briscoe-Freres (Briscoe Bros French operation) motor described as 31/5 (no typo) x 51/8, 80x130 CC in Metric, advertised to prospective dealers on 8-8-14 with that engine, , and again advertised as a "foriegn car" to sell on1-16-15..... Slogan was "A French Car At American Prices"...ealers on 8-8-14 with that engine,...
  13. Bud Tierney

    Briscoe

    Looks like Briscoe just had the two---parts catalogs are weak reeds to lean on, but better than nothing...
  14. Bud Tierney

    Briscoe

    Which one ?? Briscoe had a a 33 HP L-head and a later air cooled 24HP... Google'll be your friend here- if you want just info, search around for other owners, search in the period car journals for the announcements of the new models... Builders bombarded the journals with press releases, often describing engines in detail, especially "new" ones like Briscoe''s ...OOPS---looks like Briscoe might've had three engines in its lifetime... A 30 gasket catalog lists a 33/16x51/8 for model 24 1916-19, and a 33/8x5 for 1920-21; but Briscoes ffrst cars were 1914...what engine was in the 1914-15 models?? Wu\ill do more digging around and advise.
  15. No, your Tucker's 36, not 21, but he probably had a four wheel conversion for it...
  16. If the info you need doesn't turn up here, Googling Vintage Fire Trucks or Antique fire trucks should bring up at least a couple old fire truck websites that could be hepful...
  17. I dealt in literature, vehicle and otherwise, as a hobbyist, for probably twenty years in the 80s and 90s period...in the dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds, of mail transactions, buying and selling unseen, I can only remember one time when I sent an item and didn't get paid, and several times I had dealers send more than i was asking...consequently, it's all too easy to develop a kind of 'this's an honest bunch of people' outlook...
  18. More depressing news---no real info in my old catalogs---a 1917 Burd ring catalog, with quite extensive listings, doesn't list any Milwaukee engine despite it also covering many marine engines.. That doesn't mean they couldn't've had a fair production tun; if just sold locally/regionally, and to makers who didn't advertise engine builder, parts companies may not've considered them worth stacking parts for in national catalogs..... Stf Cat says the Cuting (Clark-Carter Automobile Co, Jackson, Mick 11909-13) used Milwaukee and other engines.. The Wisc Cptn Comm should have company dissolution info; they might've reopg under fifferent name or been absorbed b another engine co who continued designs..the Milw Pub ZLib may have engine brochures etc in their local business history files....
  19. My notes not any real help--- I'd forgotten a 1905 entry saying Milw Mtr & Mfg Co was incptd as Milw Motor Co, so apparently one company after all... I have no history or dissolution info...they were passing around a "very atrractive catalog" in Oct 1903, supposedly doing a good business in the Midwest, and wer still listed in Buyers Directories in 1915...you might try oldmarineengine as they were into gasoline marine motors as well as auto engines... Std Cat says they also built the Monarch car in Milwaukee 1903-04, nut decided to stick with engines. Std cat had no comments on what happened to engine co.( the Mpnarch had a 1cyl; thay were advertising a 4cyl vertucal in Feb 1905... Don't recall seeing more than an occasional Milwaukee engine refereence in my old parts catalogs; or old advertising..
  20. A 36 King Prod catalog has one listing for 1916-23 V12, listing models 225, 235, 325, 335 Twin 6...if includes yours might broaden your search...(1915 125,135 Twin 6 shows different piston)...
  21. Oddly enough, you might try the Pierce-Arrow people... , A 36 King Prod catalog lists one 29-33 Stude 8 (Pres 8, 80, 90, 91, 92) that shares the piston ass'bly with var 29-33 Stude trucks, Pierce-Arrow cars and trucks... Valves listing isn't that definite but seem to match altho spring change at eng FE22087 Bearings ??? can't compare as P-A bearings section only lists one 6 cyl (weird---P-A piston ass'bly goes to 36, valves only to 32, one bearing listed 6cyl 21-28???)..... Another oddity---optional alum piston offered for Stude in Stude section, NOT listed in P-A section...
  22. There were two Milwaukee Motors – I think one the Milwaukee Motor Co and the other the Milwaukee Motor and Manufacturing Co, operating in roughly the same period, both producing inline fours per their advertising... I think. I can't lay hands on my M notebook; will dig it out and reply this PM...
  23. Yard art inner tube tire has hole in its side?? Put a boot in it (make your own if have none) paint whatever shows black if wrong color shows....we drove on tires with holes in sides, altho sometimes had to go to reliners or tire-in-tire (hard to do without being bumpy).. Doesn't everyone have a few old tire boots in the basement??..
  24. FLYER: Yes, and if I remember correctly Foley(??) offered that service too... I was surprised the 36 catalog didn't mention the replacement inserts should be fitted by a machine shop, but it may've been so obvious it didn't have to be mentioned..... I'm still sorting out Chrysler inserts; per my catalogs (weak reeds to lean on) some 32s had inserts but not all...
  25. :Looking at my admittedly incomp0lete H-S list, two possibilities show... Their "I" a 31/4 b9re in a 1917 catalog... Their 2700. a 3/4 x 5 in a 1930 catalog...possibly you can find images to compare... Whatever you're able to decide upon, you can Google for announcements of their introduction in the Auto mags of the Day...The Automobile, Motor Age, Motor Way ad nauseum...these introductory announcements usually contain enough desc/specs for a solid ID...