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Bud Tierney

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  1. Whatever the Average Value for one in this state (not running) it will be considerably increased if it can be resurrected into running condition (engine) or, better, moving itself(a little) or even around the yard... Do contact the oldihs people for advice before putting in any time or money......Good luck!!
  2. Pressure system?? Had a little Ford---overheated slowly---did EVERYTHING but pull the engine apart...complete mystery.. One day, puzzling over it, dropped pretty like-new radiator cap on street---rust fell out---new cap, m,ystery so;ved!!
  3. You almost certainly have a KB (the series ran K-KA-KB-KC-KM=KN, all apparently 31/2x5) and was a quite popular series judging by the list of makes using in a 1930 catalog... I'm assuming you're on some of the IH websites ---oldihc is the only one I'm familiar with---other IH Lyc owners will be a good source of info re parts, or the lack thereof,,,..names listed that have clubs I know of are Elcar and Gardner, altho Crow-Elkhart and Dort are possibles...among the trucks lots of orphans, but there's Fageol that has a website... Lyc parts are reportedly not that easy to find, so be pleasant to other Lyc owners... At least the series seems to share parts, altho under rod bearings it lists a special one with two drilled holes as used in International engines (no mains listed, apparently poured) so there could be other idiosyncrasies for IH.. There're also the profe$$ional obsolete parts dealers---a fair list is on the Vendors and Restoration Services page of justoldtrucks...
  4. As a long shot try binderbooks.com, who supposedly have manuals for everything IH produced... More practically, are there any cast/embossed/stamped numbers or letters on the engine?? D'you have it apart, know the bore/stroke?? Post any ID numbers on starter, gen, carb as they could help ID engine... If engine has any C- numbers/letters do not touch oil pump as it may be a C-series (C--CE-CF-CH-CT) some of which used a potmetal disintegrating oil pump... You might also send pix/info to the Gardner Auto club; Gardners used Lycs and may be able to ID for you; they also have info on a replacement oil pump, if needed........
  5. So far so good on the mag---the N=NA was very popolar, so should be owners around to let you know what mag's on theirs--- The N/NA was issued in two bores---31/2 and 33/4---but the 33/4 one is apparently the mostly used truck engine; don't know if they came with different mags... Suggest you make a new post---looking for mag for Cont'l N-NA 33/4 bore---should turn up help... OGood luck!!ne of the vintage electrical parts dealers may have books specifying which you need or what will work...
  6. For your mag it might help to ID your Cont'l---looks like if original should be "N", often listed as "N-NA" in catalogs...(NA MIGHT'VE been Unit Power Plant (Eng/clutch/trans together, usually bolted but occasionally with one casting)... .00PS---watch it---looks like there was an 11X 2Ton with a different engine...
  7. Tried to post a reply to your PM, but either system or my set acting up, don't know if it went thru... If not, contact me by email (click on my name on post, email will come up)... That C has a tangled history; just ran across a 1912 piece where Cont'ls listing the C as both the 4s and now two 6s as well My only source that lists Moon 1910-11 etc ( a 1917 ring catalog) doesn't list the C, but a larger D, but old parts catalogs are never complete, and if Cont'l had an emergency order from Moon they probably sent whatever was available that could fit in... Another oddity: the two sections for the two fours list almost all trucks for both, with only a few cars, which does sound like "..they're hurting for engines, what's in the warehouse?..."...
  8. John: Fascinating reply----caps are one of those things that turn into unobtainium I''m ' sure many here, besides myself, would like to hear more about the process and costs.. By full set I assume you mean spares for sale/trade?? I'm not in the market, just curious if another old bugaboo's been cured by progress...
  9. Horizontal opposed engines are not my interest, but've noted their bore usually wider than stroke is long (31/2x3 etc), while verticals are usually the opposite (3x31/2 etc) .. Is this because of some engine physics property?? Many thxx for satisfying my idle curiosity...
  10. No ideas?? We'll assume it was just period advertispeak.. My curiosity piqued by post of Saxon owner who drained oil, got about two quarts out, put two quarts in and it was coming out of the top petcock. Granted, it's a small engine, but two quart capacity just sounded short...
  11. Will someone please enlighten me how this Vacuum Splash system (or lack of system??) works?? Saxon introductory pieces (Automobile Trade Journal Jan to March 1914) state "...whereby oil is circulated and held at a constant level without a single moving part..." Ads later added "...thereby ensuring the utmost simplicity and economy through elimination of the oil pump and its connections...".. The engine is the superlight? Cont'l "0", described as specially designed by Saxon but built by Cont'l,, weight radically?? shaved to power the light car with the 25/8 x 4 version (there are two other versions of the "0")... One of the other versions was described as 23/4 x41/2 in a related piece, but one of my catalogs describes it as 23/4x4. I haven't pursued that question.
  12. Forgot a scribbled note that a small piece in the Automobile (1-8-14 pg 113) said the 25/8 motor was built by Cont'l butt to a saxon design, which probably explains why, if it's one of the Os, it's not listed among other Cont'gls---only thin unusual mentioned in small piescewas that lubrication was bu "vacuum splash'... Splash is obvious but I'm not familiar with the "vacuum" part...Good Luck!!
  13. Always been curious about that O motor issued in three bores... 1930 McCord gasket catalog lists Saxon models A, B, B5R 1914-17 with the Cont'l O, with 25/8 and 23/4 bores, both 4" stroke...and it's not listed in the form usually used for vehicles using off-the-shelf engines, but in a format usually indicating primarily or wholly used by one make, nor is the "0" listed in the regular Cont'l section...... a 1917 ring catalog, set up by bore and ring combinations (31/2 with 3/16 rings, 31/2 wi h1/4 rings., etc) lists (A) 25/8 bore 3/16 rings---under this it lists 8 users, incl Saxon A for 11914-15...the only other cars listed are the Enger V12 and a Scripps-Booth, which I believe ta that time was a Cyclecar... (B) 23/4 with 3/16 rings---this has a much longer list, incl Saxon #14 for 1916 and Saxon B5R for 1917...this section also included Cont'ls U, for which there was a press release describing it as Cont'ls "Light Car" engine...(the steps were cyclecar under 70 CID, Light Car 71 to somthing I've forgotten... (C) 415/16 with 1/4 rings---this listing was just the Cont'l , nothing else (???) Googling failed to bring up any press release for the "0", which would usually describe the oiling, probably 'cuz I'm feeding in the wrong words, altho I'm not sure Cont'l issued press releases for all their basic engines...Fascinating!!!
  14. So how much oil drained out?? If about two quarts, and the engine was running with that amount of old oil without thrashing itself apart, that's a good sign, but two quarts still gives me the willies...with the engine running and oil splashed around inside, it wouldn't seem to leave much room for consumption before becoming fatal... Some Cont'ls were widely used, some weren't...can't comment re' the "0" as my catalogs don't cover much early stuff (teens/early 20s) but the "0" is not an engine that pops up often in these forums... )'m surprised the Saxon people haven't been more help...rare engine because they kepy running ou of oil?? (My apologies, bad joke in poor taste)...
  15. I'm not familiar with these old engines, but two quarts of oil to "fill" gives me the willies... Did you drain the oil and you're refilling??? "Verify before running the engine"...so ir's not running?? from when?? How much trouble to pull the pan to see whats inside?? Saxon was a "light car"; one listing shows the engine as Cont'l "O", issued in three different bores---it;s been referred to in some references as an early aircraft engine, so it could have a non=standard auto oiling system... Try Garrad (gerry/jerry?)Moon at Monte's Eqpment, obsolete Cont'l parts dealers... garradmoon@flash@momtes.com or montesequipment.com
  16. Am deeply enbarrassed to learn, after years of being an amateur enthusiast, that such a professional organization really exists. My own fault, admittedly, for failing to run down references noted in the past..(too many questions, too little time!!... As an occasional wader in the quagmires of automobile history, you have my deepest admiration and Best Wishes for your monumental, if not Herculean task...
  17. Can't help om rod length... Have no actual journal diam but 36 catalog shows same rod bearing # for W4, W%...NOTE main differ, below... That catalog shows pin diam for W4 as .750 (12/16), for W5 as .859 (55/64, just under 14/16, if my math correct) Per that catalog W4 znd some W%--to 56554o-and 565591 to 567306 Domestic; export different).. Balance of W5 565541 to 565590 and after 567306.. (Domestic, export different) took a different set of mains....
  18. gtr8: Many thxx for the detailed and much appreciated reply; I see I should've done more digging before asking questions that'd been answered a long time ago... Maybe I'll check some of the other period journals to see which Cont'l it was... Again, many thxx!!!
  19. In looking into this model to ID the Beaver engine, noticed a confusion about its clutch; without reviewing notes (1) one account said Roebling designed with a multiple disc clutch... (2) another (or maybe the same) said engineer Porter was "hired in 1910" and "made improvements"... (3) another said the only major difference between the 1909 Mercer and the new 1910 was the substitution of a multiple disc clutch for the original cone clutch... Was there a 1909 Mercer, or was that the Roebling-Planche being referred to??? It seems some makers were, in those days, stating they were producing, and shipping, the 1910 or so models in July of the previous tear (shipping 1910 models in July 1909); did that result in calling the very first Mercers, shipped in 1909, the "1909 model?? Maybe the disc clutch wasn't ready/delivered in time for first production, and an off-the-shelf cone was installed in ain a few ?? Any comments appreciated; many thxx! Bud
  20. Just noticed this older thread... Be careful using state titles to date older trucks, as some states, at times, used the year the truck was licensed as the year model, not the year it was produced...so if the truck sat unsold for awhile, or was tied up in some kind of legal dispute, title could be a year or two off... oldihc people should be able to precisely ID it and comment on rarity/value...
  21. It's been tears ago, but my brother ran Hudsons for several of their last years production, to 1954, , always buying all the power he could incl Twin-H...Seven-X engine sound familiar??...anyway, a performane lover, drove fast and hard (Texas/NM), the only complaint i remember being that the U-joints couldn't handle the power, so the Twins must've been fine.
  22. Bud Tierney

    Briscoe

    Looks like was mostly confusion in dates in the gasket catalog, probably because was apparently practice then to announce, and ship, new model in middle of year..announce in July 1915 that 1916 model is being shipped!! The 33/16 in the catalog was marked 1916-19 when 1917-19 were actual "year models"....the 33/8x5 was correct for 20-21, which should be yours... the air coo;led motor apparently didn't sell as it wasn't listed; if few orders may never've actually been built or installed in production cars..... As to info re' yours, good luck (there's no evidence Briscoe sold engines to the trade)...production numbers were down in the 20s..can you still post a want on EBay??..too bad Autolit is gone, Walt would've had it, tho it probably would've cost as much as the engine...
  23. Bud Tierney

    Briscoe

    The paper trail for Briscoe is a bit confused... The original Briscoe model was imported late 1913/early 1914 by Briscoe for NYC show display, built by his French operation, Briscor Frerres, with an 80ccx100cc aka 31/5 (no typo) x 51/8 four... It was apparently then produced here in the US at the Jackson MI factory.... Various 1914 advertising described its "French Continental engine',(meaning French-European, no connection to US Cont'ls) and a company slogan was "The First French Car At American Prices" (was sold as "Light Car"..... In early 1915 (1st Qtr ATJ) the 1915 model listed a 31/8x51/8 motor: Lhd, bloc, water cooled...The Automobile piece agreed...(probably from the same factory press release)... In July 1915 the 1916 models were announced, a "new" 4 and a V8..the Four 37/16 x 51/8, a bloc Lhd water cooled.....again, ATJ and The Automobile agreed, the ATJ piece commented that the "new" 4 was 5/16 larger than the previous four, which matched the 31/8 bore reported for the 1915 model... Late in 1916 a couple of Cosmopolitan ads listed the new mystery engine available as an air coo;ed 31/8x51/8 and as 31/8x5, probably a typo, but did not run it thru the trade journals None of the above match the two Briscoe engines listed in my 1930 McCord gasket catalog, but that catalogs's had b/s errors before...a 1917 ring catalog lists 31/8 engine/s for 1915and 1916, (but two different ring sets) and a 3716 for 1916..so I have no idea how many engines Briscoe produced...I did not rum any 1917 or later trade journals or any newcar specs lists...
  24. If you're looking for an engine or info re' engine, you might also try The Gardner club, they apparently used the 4S and 4SL... The old-truck sites, as 4SLs got into Gramms, Republics and Stewarts plus some other orphans... Looks like the series goes 4S, 4SG, 4SL, 4SLH, 4SM, all listed as 31/4x4`1/2 and sharing some parts, altho 4SL does seem to've had some changes; don't know if they're drop-in fits for each other...--
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