Bud Tierney

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  1. That particular generator isn't familiar, bit i rember (vaguely) using a carbide generator in which we put so much granular material and so much water, generating carbide...but what i remember clearly is the resulting sludge, diluted with water, , made the most blinding white paint imaginable that stood up beautifully to the southern NM sun...
  2. As I don't know your experience/background, this may be belaboring the obvious: The Dort seems to've been an "assembled" car, and, assuming the Canadian Gray-Dort was also, you may be limiting tour search unnecessarily as to mechanical parts... The chances are excellent that most, if not all, the mechanical parts were from "vendors" (outside suppliers who specialized in various mechanical parts) and were also used in various other makes of the period...the tricky part is identifying the various suppliers and their own ID numbers, etc;---once you have that, old parts catalogs can sometimes be consulted to determine how many other makes the part/s you need went into, as well as older interchange manuals .. I only have engine parts catalogs, and they list various 1923 US models with 4Cyl Lyc K and Hersh-Splmn 7000 motors, and a Falls 6Cyl T-8000 engine; Canadian models may not have the same parts as the US produced models, just to make it more difficult... Let us know what specific parts you're looking/praying for, and if you know which engine you have... As above, my apologies if this old, unwelcome news.....
  3. I'm not familiar with Dennis's Ency; I'll have to Google it... Mroz agrees as to the Los Angeles Barker, but is a bit different as to the Norwalk Barker... Doesn't mention original chain drive, says "several" models produced from 1/2 to 5 Tons, states their "wide model range" did not sell well. that in 1914 only the "lightest" (???) model was produced with the new worm drive, and the 2T with 137 WB came out in 1915... Mroz's terminology leaves uncertain whether he meant the 2T was worm drive...... The 'bible" of old trucks, generally considered the most thorough, has been Georgano's World Truck Ency, his Big Book (not to be confused with his "little book" which is names, addresses, years and capcities/types) which I've never been willing to write a check for, but if you're anywhere near a good public library they should have a reference copy... Should the chassis be there , and not fit anything mentioned, the trade journals (The Comm'l Vehicle, Comm'l Car Journal, The Motor Truck, Power wagon, etc) usually published annual specs lists which might list some Barker models...or might mot, as, as memtioned above, many of the se "assembled" trucks were quite local and not interested in National listings...and I find no Barker truck listings in my old parts catalogs covering their period... Sometimes I think Reference authors/publishers make special efforts to be a little differnt just to spur sales
  4. Gasket catalogs list a Lyc 8 AE-AEC-AED=AEF 33/4x43/4, and listed with it is UE-UED Marine, same b/s...looks like the marine versions have some ot their own part numbers, UE-, as surmised above (AE- for the others, some apparently shared) ...
  5. While I didn't read the whole link. my understanding's been that m'r's have been tracking driving for some time via the VIN tag in the windshield, for warranty purposes---drive abuseivly and maybe have warranty problems... Jack: join the club...no matter what I research online, I get pop=ups fro that item or product for anywhere from a wekl to a month after...
  6. Mroz lists two Barker trucks... 1911-13 in North LA Calif, no company name listed;; no delivery units mentioned (often car sized)...this may be The Barker Motor Truck Co, lLos Angeles, sted as a m'f'r that that announced a truck but questionable as to if ever actually produced per Auto'ble Qtly...Georgano's little book lists this as Barker Motors Co... The C. L Barker Co in Norwalk, Conn, 1912-17. did produce 1/2 tons and other models; m'f'r sometimes listed as just C. L. Barker...
  7. That 1.224 pin confuses things... My 36 King Prod manual shows two pistons about your size, used in both the cars and trucks... One for 1918-20 F18, J18, K18, T4, T18, U4 and U18 cars, and same year F, J, F Speedwagom 3/4-2T truck Specs 41/8 diam, 23/8 Comp dist, 451/64 length (4.75=48/64 pin diam 1.224...... The other is for 1913-18 R, S, R5, S5 cars and came year F, J, F Speedwagom 3/4-2T trucks...those specs go 41/8, 23/8, 451/64, but pin diam id 1.234 If those two pistons are interchangeable, you might have the later pistons...or the manual might be off... Now, under Reo truck there's also the 31-32 6 cyl 4J, 4K, 4T, 4Ton trucks using a Buda K381 engine, whose piston specs are 41/8, 21/4 and 43/8=428/64... Unfortunately, the K381 doesn't seem to've been that popular...
  8. A word should be said here for sellers of individual or batchs of parts... We tend to assume that everyone's as familiar with cars as we are., and most are not....a seller may well advertise mechanical or body parts from a 23 Kratz his father dismantled in the garage and never got back together again, but doesn't realize Krats put out two different models that year, all mostly from off-the-shelf suppliers but different ones for the different models...and may unknowingly, with the best of intentions, send a part to someone who funds its not right for his particular car... As stressed above, buyers must be careful...
  9. Many thanks for reply/info... I was looking for other uses of that particular Rutenber engine, which was used in the Avery Farn/City Truck for it's short existence, and thought by some to've been built solely for Avery...I'll do a little digging around, altho it's highly unlikely a Farm Truck restorer would be able to pry one away from any Auburn owner...but it's still fun digging around in the old records...l Should be descriptive articles in the old trade magazines online...how does it go??..."the game is afoo"??
  10. That's one of the little Diamond Ts, which I understand are highly desirable... There was a Diamond T website (DiamondTclassics.com??) and, I believe, a Diamond T group on a Facebook page, that would be good places to inquire for info re' rarity, estimated value range et....
  11. You didn't specify NOS, NORS, used, rehabilitated etc; there are profe$$ional obsolete parts dealers---enine/mechamical parts, electric, accessories etc--plus rebuilders of parts--electrical, water/oil pumps etc. Many show up on Google; a fair list to start with is on the vendors and restoration services list on justoldtrucks.com... It's important to remember when inquiring of professional dealers that they are usually looking to acquire parts to replenish inventory, so if they don't have what you need today, they may well have ir next month. and should be rechecked until you find---or fabricate---what you need.
  12. I try to avoid disagreeing with people who obviously have much more experience with old cars than myself but, that being said,and FWIW, one thing I did have a fair amount of experience with is non-pressure radiator leaks...if our radiators didn't leak when we got them they soon did after pounding over NM semi-roads.... I've used variety of stop-leak products in my jalopy years, mostly liquids; I've never had a car run hotter afterward,,and most products worked fine on minor leaks. How permanent past a year or two I couldn't say, as our cars seldom lasted that long by the time we got them...
  13. Well, made the mistake of eyeballing another catalog... Seems Elcar also used the WR and WT in addition to those above, and Kissel also used the WR ... Penetration was better among trucks.. .Amer LaFrance---WTG Atterbury---WRG, WTG Corbitt---WF, WFC Grass-Premier---WTG LaFrance-Republic---WRG, WTG Republic---WRG Stewart---WR, WRG, WS, WTG World---WTG While not a very promising list, keep in mind these catalog listings are far from complete;
  14. Many thxx for enlightenment re' Auburn commonality, or, more accurately, the lack thereof..... Per the 38 Victor and a 63 McCord, (not to be considered complete) Elcar used the W and WS, Gardner used the WR and Ws (WR was not in the 38 Vic, the 50 Fitz or the 63 McC.; I assume same bore as WRG) and Kissel used W and ws. Unfortunately all generally desireable restoration units themselves. There was also a smattering of trucks; will advise later...
  15. Well, as usual, couldn't leave well enough alone---another catalog says should be WS... Both seem to be part of a series---W 21/4, WRG, WS, WSG 27/8, WTG 3" and WF, WFC 31/16 bores, all 43/4 stroke, so it's possible one superseded the other... .The series seems to share some gaskets; WF and WFC having a separate head gasket; the WF and WFC are carried in the Auburn section in my 38 Victor, rather than lumped in with the others in the Lycoming section in my 50 Fitz. I'm sure the Club can advise if any blocks/engines interchangeable; none of the Ws seem to've been all that popular engines per makes penetration, but I have no actual production numbers......
  16. You might also consider a couple other things: (1) identify your engine in your posts---per one of my old catalogs it should be a Lycoming WF (repeat, should). This's in case Lyc also sold that engine to other m'f''r''s, whose models may be the same engine or same block... (2) check with the ACD people whether they already know of any other makes using the engine or a close enough version blocks or complete engines may drop in if available WFs are out of reach for some reason......
  17. Howard---(Sigh) I can't bring up whatever site I was in re' the 8---it had the same pic as your original second pic, and the text had the comment re' two sixes linked----as I rememeber the format, it could've been theoldmotor, but searching in that site brings up other Maxwell pages but not the one I remember... You're correct the two 4s were joined by a common crankcase; there's a clear pic in The Automobile, 8-23-06 pg 229, which matches the squib abour the 8 being down with busted crankcase... Most likely the writer saying the two fours were "back to back" should've said "end to end" to be clearer... But, maddeningly, none of the other writeups of the 12 I saw mention smaller engines linked, not even an Automobile piece that first described the 8 as if it was one piece (which, in a sense, it was) and in the next sentence said that, practically, it was the joining of two fours, then went on to talk about the 12 as if it was one piece...(another common crankcase??)... It's doubtful they' developed a six just for the race; I don't have enough experience with this old stuff to know what I'm looking at, but it's certainly logical they'd use engines they'd had long experience with (the 4s used in the eight were described as their large car engine, somewhat tweaked for the race).. It's been fun, but I'm bowing out; I just wanted to be sure the 8 wasn't some early quasi-V8, and then got enmeshed in all this...
  18. One of the Google hits under Maxwell and Vanderbilt Cup stated the 8 was two 4s linked "back to back" with a front radiator for the front engine and a second radiator just in front of the driver/mechanic's seats for the rear engine... (the 12 was also two sixes "linked"...)... That site's mechanic's side pic was clearer, and there didn't seem to be any front drive axle, so "back to back" would mean the engines rotated in opposite directions to drive thru the rear axle???? Oh, well, one down; on to Franklin's "long 8 cyl" which'll almost certainly be a couple more fours...
  19. A motorsports.com Franklin piece verifies the *"Long8" was a straight 8 of some kind...
  20. Had no idea a mystery was involved; assumed all these old well-known racers were all minutely described in racing history books... Looking thru earlier notes found "two fours" note but no source for reference. Am sorting thru period trade journals to flesh out my V8 list (idle curiosity) and will post anything I run across re' the Maxwell... Many thxx for reply!!...
  21. Jump-spark type plugs were available at one time for oil burners; as described above, they kept plugs firing in the oily combustion atmosphere that fouled a "standard gap" plug... We used to make our own, holding the wire just off contact with the plug/s...
  22. I don't follow Franklin, or race cars, so I'm hoping some kind soul will fill me in on "...Franklin's long 8 Cylinder" mentioned in a 1905 race car/race meet piece... Two fours together?? True straight 8?? Many thxx for enlightenment...
  23. I don't follow Maxwell, or race cars, so I'm hoping someone will be kind enough to fill me in on the 8 Cyl built as a possible Vanderbilt Cup car but not ready, apparently not run until some later meet... One reference referred to "twin motors", so I'm assuming that was two fours in line, or two fours driving one drive line (or each engine driving it's own axle?) rather than a true straight eight?? Many thxx for enlightenment...
  24. If you're not already aware of them, there 're (or were several years ago) bus collector/club websites...can no longer find them in my notes but should turn up on Google, if no luck here...