Bud Tierney

OLDTECH---was that XAS a typo???---all that shows up in gasket sets in 30 McCord and 38 Victor is X, XA, XAH and XAK...the XAX only shows in a water pump gasket noted "(XAX-IHC)" in the 38 Vic's XA/XAH/XAK gasket set... While my engine lists are far from complete, I list no XAS...

Didn't I re[ly tp this???? Engine hjould be Wauk X series--X, XA, XAH, XAK or XAX--to contact Wauk Eng Hist Soc (wehs.net for manuak etc???? Try oldihc.com for pther help, advice, sympathy if required... I'm sure I hit Post...or did I just drop off to sleep for a minute???

Thinking might be for one of Billy's Cont'ls, and be in other makes, looked them up... A 38 Victor catalog seems to show the pictured gaskets as their #401, for 22-23 Model A 4cyl... It lists a different gasket, #549, for 24-26. for a 37/8x41/4... The two gaskets are quite similar, the later one more substantial bolt holes all the way around, and one small water hole between the two large ones between #2 abd #3... Something about these is familiar but I an't bring it up---possibly could be that both could be used ????

Dave: IT'S GOT YOU---go stand before a mirror, look yourself in the eyes and repeat: THERE IS A WORLD BEYOND BILLY DURANT as long as necessary to begin to believe it... Seriously, he must've been really remarkable...a Carriage man, reportedly thinking little of motor cars but realizing they were the future he bought Buick, then just one among literally dozens, built it into a major make, used it to build GM, and when the banker decided he was overextended, took control away.So he backed Louis Chevrolet, kicked Louis out, shrank a new Chev out of the old Chev and the Little, and made it into a powerhous that allowed him fo buy back control. of GM....all to end up reportedly working in s diner... Bully also talked about jis Sterling Motor Co, building a carm but Std cat sez none built...

Your AW2. along with various other A series models, lists in my old catalogs as coming with a Waukesha XA or XAH engine (Wauk was a proprieatary engine builder--IH used some of their engines as well as some Lycomings along wiith their own) OR you may have an XAX, listed in a 38 catalog as being a version used in IH trucks, but no mention of which models... Wauk Eng Hist Soc can provide manuals and advice (wehs.net) Email all info on your engine tag (small plate attached to engine block )...they're Wauk retirees and very helpful...

Wel, l it's great fun sloshing around in Billy's trails, but too time consuming... First Mason Motors (part of GM) was building Chev and Little motors, then the new Sterling Motors was formed to do the same, as well as offer motors to the trade. (no connection to Sterling of marine engine fame)... Both Lou Phillips and classiccardatabase shoe a Little 4 and 6, their six of 220.3 and 225.8, well below Buda's "Litter Six"...... Billy also reportedly displayed a1 2 Cyl 1/2 Ton Delivery.' Possibly fearing engines from failing makes would not be a selling point (Randolph was also 2 Cyl) he might've approached Buda for an updated version of their RR 2 Cyl's...

... Yes, the Rapid-Reliance-Randolph line was a dead end...altho Mroz missed it on Randolph.....it wasn't folded in but apparently acquired for its production facility. There's a squib they were losing their factory as GM owned it, letting Randolph use it until GM needed it. Randolph did go into Bkcy soon after... I'm presently leaning toward Billy dealing with Buda for the proposed 6cyl Little...Billy created a Sterling motors company to build engines for the Little and proposed light trucks. They supposedly built the 4 for the Little, but apparent;y the Little 6 died before production (haven;t followed that line yet, mor if Billy just bought the Sterling marine engine company), but the Carriage Co ws ninvolved in the Little (Billy's corporate structure must've resembled a can of worms)...... Buda apparent;y did market a six in this period---their "Little Six" (ciuncidence?? apparently listed as LSU and SSU models, before declaring in 1917 they were "concentrating" on 4s...other Buda 6s seem to show up in early and nid 20s, but my old catalogs are full of cylinder misprints., so that remains to be run dowm...n.

DAVE: Many thxx for thoughts---I shou7ld've known better than to've stepped into Billy Durant's swamp... Mroz's Truck Ency sez Rapid (HO 2Cyl) and the early Reliance (2, 3, 4 Cyl 2-strokes) were folded, along with Randolph trucks into Billy's GMC (1911) but that Rapid and Reliance, badged GMC, were continued for a year when GMC management, then in control, went to Cont'l 4Cyl and later Northway etc...unfortunately Mroz had nothing on Randolph engines...Mroz shows all three out 1911-12... Nor do the Buda ads say WHEN they sold to the Cariiage Co,, Per a 1910 GM bulletin, they also owned Cartercar, which I haven't looked at.. Buda's start in the 4Cyl engine business seems fuzzy---my notes (bo source) say 1910 or so, but there's a 1911 ad showing a Unit Power plant that looks like it'd been developed longer...

Jan and Feb 1913 Buda engine ads (and maybe earlier) list Durant-Dort Carriage Co as a user, under Trucks, not Passenger cars... Billy Durant and J D Dort made millions from their Cart and later Carriage Co...Billy went on to buy Buick and form GM, only to lose it to bankers.. He and Dort were involved in Chev and the Little, both coming out in 1912...this money and leftover Carriage Co money enabled Billy to re-acquire control of GM in 1915, which is also the year Dort brought out his Dort and Billy divested his Carriage Co stock,,, Does anyone have any bio/history that might give a hint as to what vehicle/s those 1911? 1912? Buda engines might've gone into??... Dying of curiosity..

There was a magazine that used to cower whe Euro circuit (Speed Age??)... Was it Fangio they used to describe as a winning driver but manhandling cars around the course by brute strength, or was that someone else??

Bummer---the 16E does not appear very often in my parts catalogs, which are admittedly far from complete... All I found were Corbitt and Relay trucks, not really household names ... Best bet is Reo club (assume you member) as 16E came in some trucks around your time... As long shots you might check with the Jordan club (used 10, `12, 14 and 18Es) a nd Moom club (useds11 and 12Es) as they might've gotten ac occasional 16E...

Something I never think to ask Ign people, and don't recall seeing discussed... Cont'l etc sells same basic engine model to various' builders- did Cont'l etc include a "stock" dist if buyer had no preference, or did they work with Ign suppliers to fit distributors to performance wants of each separate builder ??? My only old Ign catalog doesn't go back far enough to tell...

You may have another avenue here--- This appears to be another case where Reo/Wolverine used an engine from one of Cont';s "series" engine families, and installed several engines from the "family"... The 6 cyl E's ram 10S to 12E, and from 14E thru 20E, and maybe 28E (but not 6E, a different engine)... 30 McCord says !!E; 38 Victor inconclusive; 42 Sealed Power says 15E, above says 16E, all of which could be correct for various cars... Whichever one in car in question, probably also used in other makes, may have array of distributors to choose from...probably not perfect, but should rum... Let us know which Cont'l in your car...should be tag on side of block, often behind something..

It might be helpful if you would define "driver"---around town low-speed errand running???---30 mile run to work every day???

Anyone deciding to tun Kenworthy thru old trade journals and old parts catalogs may have a job on their hands...' I have a 24 piston catalog, pretty reliable, that lists a model 55 Kenworh truck for 1920 with a Cont'l 9N, almost certainly the Kenworthy 6-55 noted above...

This thread surprises me, in the sense that in my misspent youth if our junkers wouldn't start but had enough spark to even see, the next step was gas in the cylinders to see if it ran a few licks... Is everything getting so complicated the old dumb-kid shade=tree mechanic skills are fading away???

If your garage was 25 degrees and the car'd been sitting (tires cold) when you measured your flat spots they were probably ly normal---but unless you have old or unusual tires flat spots should eben out in a few slow blocks to a mile or so... You didn't say (unless I missed it) if the vibration with the new driveline was TXACTLY the same as with the old... You can also ckeck tires by jacking them up, spinning rhen and lighty letting your gloved fingertips brucsh the moving tire sidewall and tread--irregularities show up quickly Also, did I muss that after warming up the tires, you tried swapping the wheels around??

Many thxx to a all for a lovely trip back into my youth---Christmas music in the background, memories of all the Mickey NMuse "repairs" we cane up with has made my day---again, many thxx!!

You might Google Antique or Vintage Gas Station equipment and Petroliana; there are collectors groups and websites should come up

Found my IH go-to catalog---it verifies CT but also shows with either the CT or a CTH... None of my regular engine parts catalogs lists a CTH, so it may be a variant with some special IH part.. The 36 engine parts show a piston assembly change at eng #33810/11, alsho under IH truck section says change is at 33809/10...only one set of CT valves and bearings are listed.... Elcars used the C, CE and CF per catalogs; they might know if any a drop=in fit for yout CT, if CT's now all unobtainium...

Can;t find my go=to catalog for old IH, but a later nearing catalog lists the 27-31 S24 with the Lycomiing CT, the famous/infamous disintegrating potmetal oil pump engine.... A 36 engine parts catalog lists 26-27 S24 to engine CT33809 and the 27-30 S24 after engine CT33810, almost certainly thr Uyc engine... There're workarounds for a different oil pump; if oldIHC doesn't have info the Gardner Automobile Club does---Gardners used Lycomings, including the CT... Have no idea how many CTs left around; there've been comments that many were replaced with other Lyc engines and scrapped because of the oil pump problem..If you're not in contact with any of the IHC clubs do contact them for more info... NOTE: Engine series seems to be C, CE, CF, CH, CT and CTM (M=probably marine version)---reportedly not all have the potmetal pump. Don't know if any drop-in fit for the CT...

If you;e not familiar with swapping these, remember to check the throw (to make sure starter gear is full fit against ring gear and has same number/angles of teeth....not too important if only parade car or such but bad fit could quickly wear ring gear if regularly uesd....it may fit the mount but not much llse......

Concur and sympathize with the above....sometimes +Universal" works, sometimes it don't---certainly on a straight 8 its a logical place to look...

Google Petroliana---a couple of old gas station/service stations sites should come up that incude old pumps

Just to s show the discrepancies in these old reference sources, a Shurhit catalog agrees on 34, but shows no coil bracket , says IGP4001 A and B some on 35 with a different coil. for 36 shows 4001B only, Points, cap, totor , Cond same on all, 35/36 have same coil.bracket...