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Bud Tierney

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  1. A few more of interest... 1906 Stoddard-Dayton Rtbr 41/2x5 First National gasoline car, probably their 1906 "D" 35-40 HP Lexington, Grout and Westcott---all show both the 318 and 354 in CCDB 1911 Davis 50 listed 43/4x5; their 35 could be the 41/2x5... The Lauth/ Lauth-Juergens truck with rtbr 41/2x5... And more buried in my scribbling---I would assume dozens more with careful review of the trade journals and annual specs lists, seeing as how several references described Rutenber as one of, if not THE most populat engines of their day...over and out. OOPS ru
  2. Well, it's now PM (I'm no longer an early riser)... Looks like Lambert a good bet; all 4s with 28-40HP (Std Cat) model H with 41/2x5 in 1907 Halladay also big Rurenber user, using the 43/4x5at 35-40 HP in 1907 along with smaller 4... Jewel ditto; "40" was 43/4x5, the 20-40 Hp could be the 41/2x5... Try Pennsylvania 07-11; 1907 model listed with 41/2x5 Rutenber... also Glide 06-07; larger was the 43/4, smaller may be yours... 1907 Viking had 40HP Rutenber 41/2x5 (??).. Continental 07-08 used the 43/4 "U" but also had 25 and 30 HP models... A1908 Lamber
  3. Always fascinating to try to discover what other collectors my be running your engine... Std Cat shows at least two 4s for Auburn 1910, a 25-30 HP and a 35-40 HP.; a 1909 Rutenbur as lists the 41/2x5 as 30-35 HP and the 43/4x5 as 40-45 HP so we don't have exact matches, but HP is variable... Research is complicated by both these two fours being also issued as 6s, apparently under the same engine designation---"RA" for the 41/2 x5 and "U" for the 43/4x5... Whether both were separates or pairs i didn't note.. Unfortunately, these letter designations were hardly ever noted in writeups.
  4. Std Cat's pic implies it was part of company literature or local news writ-up ( possible but unlikely national trade journal write-up??))...if anything exists with any size specs, enough to feed into computer for generation of enough additional size specs for a respectable copy ??? Tried local newspaper, archives (includes any THEN local paper now defunct, which could be in Pub Lib newspaper archives) , local Pub Lib Business/Commercial literature collections, local Historical Societies, ,local Quinsler family members for dusty old packages of papers??? Would be fascinatihg hunt...is
  5. Granted, that this forum is technically correct for your inquiry, I would suggest it should also be in the horseless carriage (pre-1916) forum here as well,. That forum would have a concentration of followers more likely to be familiar with the Aster, which did seem to be quite popular in its day... If you have time to spend, you might pore through the annual thumbnails of new cars published in the trade journals of the day (and often now online). While seldom then mentioning the engine makers name for domestics, they were more likely to mention foreign sourced designs like the Aster. Su
  6. Std Cat has a liirle more (sorry I can't post)---primarily a carraige builder and possibly body builder for others, their car was produced in 1904 only... Auto'ble Qtly's 5000 Marques lists Quinsler as a m'f'r (rather than under its supplemental list of possible m'f'rs or one-off types); that listing is immediatly followed by "Quinsley 1904", no address, as an "unsubstantiated make"", so it's possible the vehicle was also known or referred to somewhere as a Quinsley...
  7. 8E4SE...many late thxx for the tip---they're even in my price range!! Will make space for one.
  8. Have you Googled the existing filter m'f'r's---Wix etc---they generally have their catalogs online now, and should have a search option for existing replacement---failing that, should have by size list online to match with yours......
  9. That particular generator isn't familiar, bit i rember (vaguely) using a carbide generator in which we put so much granular material and so much water, generating carbide...but what i remember clearly is the resulting sludge, diluted with water, , made the most blinding white paint imaginable that stood up beautifully to the southern NM sun...
  10. As I don't know your experience/background, this may be belaboring the obvious: The Dort seems to've been an "assembled" car, and, assuming the Canadian Gray-Dort was also, you may be limiting tour search unnecessarily as to mechanical parts... The chances are excellent that most, if not all, the mechanical parts were from "vendors" (outside suppliers who specialized in various mechanical parts) and were also used in various other makes of the period...the tricky part is identifying the various suppliers and their own ID numbers, etc;---once you have that, old parts catalogs can so
  11. I'm not familiar with Dennis's Ency; I'll have to Google it... Mroz agrees as to the Los Angeles Barker, but is a bit different as to the Norwalk Barker... Doesn't mention original chain drive, says "several" models produced from 1/2 to 5 Tons, states their "wide model range" did not sell well. that in 1914 only the "lightest" (???) model was produced with the new worm drive, and the 2T with 137 WB came out in 1915... Mroz's terminology leaves uncertain whether he meant the 2T was worm drive...... The 'bible" of old trucks, generally considered the most thorough, has be
  12. Gasket catalogs list a Lyc 8 AE-AEC-AED=AEF 33/4x43/4, and listed with it is UE-UED Marine, same b/s...looks like the marine versions have some ot their own part numbers, UE-, as surmised above (AE- for the others, some apparently shared) ...
  13. While I didn't read the whole link. my understanding's been that m'r's have been tracking driving for some time via the VIN tag in the windshield, for warranty purposes---drive abuseivly and maybe have warranty problems... Jack: join the club...no matter what I research online, I get pop=ups fro that item or product for anywhere from a wekl to a month after...
  14. Mroz lists two Barker trucks... 1911-13 in North LA Calif, no company name listed;; no delivery units mentioned (often car sized)...this may be The Barker Motor Truck Co, lLos Angeles, sted as a m'f'r that that announced a truck but questionable as to if ever actually produced per Auto'ble Qtly...Georgano's little book lists this as Barker Motors Co... The C. L Barker Co in Norwalk, Conn, 1912-17. did produce 1/2 tons and other models; m'f'r sometimes listed as just C. L. Barker...
  15. That 1.224 pin confuses things... My 36 King Prod manual shows two pistons about your size, used in both the cars and trucks... One for 1918-20 F18, J18, K18, T4, T18, U4 and U18 cars, and same year F, J, F Speedwagom 3/4-2T truck Specs 41/8 diam, 23/8 Comp dist, 451/64 length (4.75=48/64 pin diam 1.224...... The other is for 1913-18 R, S, R5, S5 cars and came year F, J, F Speedwagom 3/4-2T trucks...those specs go 41/8, 23/8, 451/64, but pin diam id 1.234 If those two pistons are interchangeable, you might have the later pistons...or the manual might be off
  16. A word should be said here for sellers of individual or batchs of parts... We tend to assume that everyone's as familiar with cars as we are., and most are not....a seller may well advertise mechanical or body parts from a 23 Kratz his father dismantled in the garage and never got back together again, but doesn't realize Krats put out two different models that year, all mostly from off-the-shelf suppliers but different ones for the different models...and may unknowingly, with the best of intentions, send a part to someone who funds its not right for his particular car... As stressed
  17. Many thanks for reply/info... I was looking for other uses of that particular Rutenber engine, which was used in the Avery Farn/City Truck for it's short existence, and thought by some to've been built solely for Avery...I'll do a little digging around, altho it's highly unlikely a Farm Truck restorer would be able to pry one away from any Auburn owner...but it's still fun digging around in the old records...l Should be descriptive articles in the old trade magazines online...how does it go??..."the game is afoo"??
  18. That's one of the little Diamond Ts, which I understand are highly desirable... There was a Diamond T website (DiamondTclassics.com??) and, I believe, a Diamond T group on a Facebook page, that would be good places to inquire for info re' rarity, estimated value range et....
  19. You didn't specify NOS, NORS, used, rehabilitated etc; there are profe$$ional obsolete parts dealers---enine/mechamical parts, electric, accessories etc--plus rebuilders of parts--electrical, water/oil pumps etc. Many show up on Google; a fair list to start with is on the vendors and restoration services list on justoldtrucks.com... It's important to remember when inquiring of professional dealers that they are usually looking to acquire parts to replenish inventory, so if they don't have what you need today, they may well have ir next month. and should be rechecked until you find---or f
  20. I try to avoid disagreeing with people who obviously have much more experience with old cars than myself but, that being said,and FWIW, one thing I did have a fair amount of experience with is non-pressure radiator leaks...if our radiators didn't leak when we got them they soon did after pounding over NM semi-roads.... I've used variety of stop-leak products in my jalopy years, mostly liquids; I've never had a car run hotter afterward,,and most products worked fine on minor leaks. How permanent past a year or two I couldn't say, as our cars seldom lasted that long by the time we got th
  21. Well, made the mistake of eyeballing another catalog... Seems Elcar also used the WR and WT in addition to those above, and Kissel also used the WR ... Penetration was better among trucks.. .Amer LaFrance---WTG Atterbury---WRG, WTG Corbitt---WF, WFC Grass-Premier---WTG LaFrance-Republic---WRG, WTG Republic---WRG Stewart---WR, WRG, WS, WTG World---WTG While not a very promising list, keep in mind these catalog listings are far from complete;
  22. Many thxx for enlightenment re' Auburn commonality, or, more accurately, the lack thereof..... Per the 38 Victor and a 63 McCord, (not to be considered complete) Elcar used the W and WS, Gardner used the WR and Ws (WR was not in the 38 Vic, the 50 Fitz or the 63 McC.; I assume same bore as WRG) and Kissel used W and ws. Unfortunately all generally desireable restoration units themselves. There was also a smattering of trucks; will advise later...
  23. Well, as usual, couldn't leave well enough alone---another catalog says should be WS... Both seem to be part of a series---W 21/4, WRG, WS, WSG 27/8, WTG 3" and WF, WFC 31/16 bores, all 43/4 stroke, so it's possible one superseded the other... .The series seems to share some gaskets; WF and WFC having a separate head gasket; the WF and WFC are carried in the Auburn section in my 38 Victor, rather than lumped in with the others in the Lycoming section in my 50 Fitz. I'm sure the Club can advise if any blocks/engines interchangeable; none of the Ws seem to've been all that popular eng
  24. You might also consider a couple other things: (1) identify your engine in your posts---per one of my old catalogs it should be a Lycoming WF (repeat, should). This's in case Lyc also sold that engine to other m'f''r''s, whose models may be the same engine or same block... (2) check with the ACD people whether they already know of any other makes using the engine or a close enough version blocks or complete engines may drop in if available WFs are out of reach for some reason......
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