Bud Tierney

Here are some makes using both the 7N and 9N that I believe have clubs/Facebook groups and such that you can contact for info if you in fact have a 9N (which seems likely)...Auburn,, Case (the tractor people also built cars), Jordan, Marion Handley, Lexington, Moon,Overland (Willys-O), Roamer, Velie, and Sayers & Scoville, who built funeral cars (there're websites for funeral cars, hearses etc). With luck you'll turn up other 9N owners who can advise re' parts, idiosyncrasies, etc.. It's also quite probable that car manifolds may be different from truck/fire truck manifolds... (2) Re' maifolds: if your manifold is just damaged, it might be salvageable. A lot of Ag eqpmt sits most of the year; mice love to nest in manifolds, and their urine rots the iron, so Ag people have created a sub-industry of repairing/rebuilding/fabricating new manufolds...if can't find one consider repair...

Well, I spoke too soon re' popularity of the Ns...looks like the 7N was quite popular, and that a number of makes using the 7N also used the 9N a year or two later...will advise later, thought maybe I spooked you on my mistaken rarity of engine...

Well, that's a little like asking How High Is Up??? Seriously, the place to start with obsolete Cont'ls is Monte's Eqpmt, obsolete Cont'l parts dealers par excellance.. Send all info on tag to Garrad (Jerry/Gerry) Moon at Montes... garradmoon@montes@flash.net or montesequipment.com......they may have parts, they will have advice and sympathy.... Carbs and fan rigs can be Mickey-Moused, but the manifold... If that is a 9N, it's a solid head (no separate cylinder head), part of a "family" of 6N, 7N.,8N, 9N, 10N amd 11N. listed as taking one set of gaskets in a 1930 gasket catalog, BUT among the very few gaskets listed are Exh mfld LARGE and Exh mfld SMALL... These do not appear to've been highly popular engines; there is some limited piston assembly, valve and bearing sharing in the family...I will do a little eyeballing in old parts catalogs for installations in other makes that might be helpful... How to find parts?? When you know exactly what engine, and maybe who d OOPS--you said INTAKE; sorryelse used it, you start asking around forums like this one; fire truck forums are also a good bet, and there's also the profe$$ional obsolete parts dealers...with sympathy, Bud OOPS---you said INTAKE; sorry

A considerable number of tears ago a company (R L Polk??) published registration info by State; I remember looking in a quite large book in California that had a section for orphan cars (we were looking for other local Hupp owners).. Anything like that still available with all the datamining going on??? And you could try posting inquiries on places like Craigslist that have national search options...

There,s both a Divco club and a facebook group, should come up on Google...

I don;t know Mr Smith, and it's all too true that repairs/parts for obsoletes can be high... On the other habd, this is a mass produced economy; fabricating obsolete parts in small amounts is more expensive, they're likely to be in inventory for longer times ($ sitting in inventory) , etc... I'm ssure there was a good amount of time involved in examination and analysis, in order to be able to determine new brushes were the answer....it all adds up...plus the fact that the workman is worthy of his hire: people with the experience to work on obsoletes are becoming rarer and rarer...

While I don't follow mainlines (Chev/Ford/GMC ad nauseum) you're quite fortunate in there being a considerable and enthusiastic White Truck community... Googling should bring up at least one website and probably more than one White club... While parts may not be readily available you'll find a world of friendly advice and experience; basically, you're stepping into a whole new deligtfull world of fellow White enthusiasts.....

My parts list is sadly out of date, but I see continentalengines.com still comes up under obsolete Cont'l parts; parossnachinery.com (longtime Cont'l dealer) has been helpful with obsoletes in the past... justoldrucks has a fair list of profe$$ional obsolete parts dealers in their "vendors and restoration services" section... Your springs fit a raft of Cont'ls, and should be around...

(!) have you tried Monte's?? (montesequipment.com) obsolete Cont'l parts dealer (2) a 36 king Prod (engine parts etc) catalog shows Flint 23-27 E and other models with the Cont'l 6E, which, in turn, lists valve spring VS56, which (per that catalog) also fits some 6b, 6J, some 8B, 14 different Ls and the 12Z 8 cyl....AND the Auburn 666A for 1927... Try Montes if you haven't already You probably can't get any away from the Auburn people, but some of those Ls went into other Durant cars, as noted above, Moon and Paige, who all have clubs, plus a batch of familiar truck names: Corbitt, Federal, Hahn, Kleiber, Moreland etc If you have to post on the old truck sites I'll try to set out a few specific makes/models for the truckers...

Well, I might as well belabor the obvious too.. You didn't mention if the stiffness had been gradually worsening or had more suddenly occurred... "Stiffer than it should be"... how/who/what determined how stiff it should be?? If personal experience with this or other period similar trucks, a valid statement..unless, of course, it's a White idiosyncracy of your model... On this point, I assume you belong to one or more of the White Truck groups; have other owners of your model, or other 28s, agreed there was a problem somewhere and/or offered suggestions you didn't exp;lore?? (You do seem to've covered every likelihood except your original question above)... Last, but most regretab;y presumptuous, how long have you had the truck?? You're not remembering how easy it was to steer 20 years ago?? The old complaint "This thing steers like a truck!!" did have a basis...

From my own very limited experience, I've found that when projects require different pieces from different supp;iers, if something doesn't come out right the first thing you get is a merry=go=round of finger pointing--- "My parts were perfect, tour installer botched the assembling" or "we only put together the parts you provided; we're not to blame if they weren't up to spec."... Buying from someone who'll do the work is most always much more expensive, but if somthig's awry the fault can't be shunted off to someone else...

Ahhh, many thxx!! Presumably production stopped when Hinkley Motors expired. Any idea if any good when new?? Tried Googling, but all I got was lingerie and some performing group... Just idle curiosity on my part; I've never evem driven a Model T, so don't need one. Again, many thxx!!

(Sorry, no link) In 1923 or 24 Hinkley Motor Co, a truck/bus engine producer, announced a plan to refurbish Fords under the HIMICO brand name... The project included an engine rebuild kit (modernising and increasing power) and the replament of the original trans with a conventional clutch and trans package.. Work could be dome locally with purchase of the whole kit, or the original engine etc could be sent to the Hinkley factory, I believe the one in Ecourse, for the work... Is this something known in the plethora of Ford modification projects?? Hinkley Motors died in 1926, co this may never've gotten off the drawing boaed... Any comments appreciated.

Whenever I hear of these cases they a;ways remind me of the Tulip Craze and, what was it , the South Seas bubble?? etc, etc,...

Geez, Vince, c'mon....you work at a restoration shop that didn't know the HET Club existed, or didn't want to contact it?? No one was born knowing everything; there's no shame in not being able to figure out something you're not familiar with...we all have to ask questions... I do hope trying to muddle through is not usual shop practice....

Agree with Teerry does sound much more like connection problems into starter than actual internal starter problem...

Reo may've purchased vendor wheels; the Club would know... I note the comment the wheels were a weak spot; I was wondering how they got like that in only five years,,,

Concur should not feel anything from cap or wires... Same shock from wires as from cap, or lesser?? If wire shock from just one wire check connection area for the crack... Suspect tiny crack in cap (assuming its pristine clean in and out) and current travelling wire or wires, which should not happen itself...anything spilled on wires before/during installation that could be conductor??

FWIW, "leads appreciated" implies these're not lying around everywhere...of you have one, it might be helpful to post its ID. If you've none, maybe a helpful soul'll post what.s on theirs...

A 56 Filco truck and bus catalog lists GCO 4801A to D, GCO 4802A to c (which take same points and CE bushing) and GCO4803A to 8A, which take different points but same bushing...both sets of points are either common or Filko has "universal" sets... My 36-49 Motor cars manual lists a raft of GCOs, including 4801B anC, 4802, 4802A to C...don't know if any of those are close enough to have the same parts you need and/or be a drop-in replacement for yours.;..

A couple basic points we learned, mostly the hard way, tears ago, and probably useful no matter where you are..... (1) ask around about local DMV offices; different offices may have reputations for being helpul or difficult... (2) remember THEY have thew power here, not you...being right is immaterial if you allow yourself to upset your DNV clerk. Grind your teeth and remain pleasant (3) as stressed above, do all your homework; the less problems to be solved the better chances you'll have...

1918 is just out of range of my catalog listings, but possibilities are the N-NA the V4 ot thr V7, all solid heads (no cyl head)... I've never built up a pix file, so I'm assuming that's a headless; can anyone read anything like a model designation on the tag, or advise whether it's headless or not??

Oh, please...mo one with any feeling at all for old paper ever "cuts out" an ad...one gingerly removes the staples, especially carefully if they've rusted, then removes the ad page from the two page section...if a glued backing, one breaks the backing between unwanted pages, then into smaller sections until the ad pages wanted can be removed undamaged... And, yes, keeping the whole mag is nice...but old paper is HEAVY, and soon requires reinforcing the floor or reducing living space... While my own collecting days are long behind me. I keep a few leftovers in my desk for memoriesof the fun hours we spent finding and saving old things...our own collecting/selling did put some cash into the system, but b but it was only worthwhile as it was almost completely a lobor of love for both of us... Agreed, also, those mentione d above probably not old enough to be worth time and effort to sell, UNLESS of the most popular muscle cars of the period... k

While I've never followed Locomobile, I understand they built engines and transmissions in-house... Assuming you've asked the Club about any references to Loco selling some of the transmissions to other builders, and/or whether yours was copied from a vendors model ( or whether a vendor might've copied from Loco's design) that was close enough to substitute, you might consider posting a pic of what you're looking for and/or or whatever's cast or stamped on the outside... Someone with a pile of old transmissions out back might go out and take a look, just in case.....

Whatever the Average Value for one in this state (not running) it will be considerably increased if it can be resurrected into running condition (engine) or, better, moving itself(a little) or even around the yard... Do contact the oldihs people for advice before putting in any time or money......Good luck!!