38Buick 80C Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Got the head off. Next up replace the freeze plug in rear of head and try and get that broken stud out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: Got the head off. Next up replace the freeze plug in rear of head and try and get that broken stud out. You Da Man Brian! Great idea using the lift to pull that head! Is there another core plug at the back of the block like at the front? Perhaps it would be easiest to drill a hole in the firewall to install that one? Would be interested to hear your assessment of the sediment level in the water jacket of the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 I got the freeze plug in the head. Oil pan has some serious sludge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 No luck on extracting the head bolt with an easy out. Been using PB blaster along with heat and tapping with a hammer but nothing yet. Any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 53 minutes ago, JohnD1956 said: You Da Man Brian! Great idea using the lift to pull that head! Is there another core plug at the back of the block like at the front? Perhaps it would be easiest to drill a hole in the firewall to install that one? Would be interested to hear your assessment of the sediment level in the water jacket of the block. Oh that's an old truck for me. Used it on the straight 8s too. Works good. A lot less stress. Yes there is a plug back there. It probably is easier to drill a hole in the firewall but I can't bring myself to that. Plan to just yank the motor and drive train forward enough to get to it. Plus I need to out a fresh coat of paint on the block so double need. That said I have considered pulling the top portion of the block which can be separated from the crankcase and thus leaving the crankcase in place. Will see. Block colling chamber is full of crud another reason why I might pull it so it could be boiled. Finally the number 5 cylinder has some rust on the cylinder wall. Honing will take it off I'm fairly certain, but I would have to pull the piston. Gonna read up on pulling the top of the block tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, 38Buick 80C said: No luck on extracting the head bolt with an easy out. Been using PB blaster along with heat and tapping with a hammer but nothing yet. Any tips? Any pictures of the current status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, 38Buick 80C said: No luck on extracting the head bolt with an easy out. Been using PB blaster along with heat and tapping with a hammer but nothing yet. Any tips? The only time an easy-out works is if you break it torquing during installation...lucky that the easy-out did not break (I have been cussed out by machine shops for doing that). I you have some protruding or level with the block, lay a thick washer over the stud and weld the center of the washer to the bolt; then weld a nut to the washer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, JohnD1956 said: Any pictures of the current status? As requested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, 38Buick 80C said: As requested I'm sorry, I'm having PTSD. Looks like you've already started drilling it out. Keep doing that, one size larger at a time. Go very slow, use lots of oil, and a low drill speed and reverse drill bits if you have them. Use care not to wipe out the threads in the block. Once you get close, you can start to use a small nail set to chisel the remains of the stud away from the threads, then chase it out with a thread cleaner (not a tap, which will cut into the threads, you just want a chaser that will clean them out). There are 58 head studs in a Lincoln V12. I broke 34 of them. I am VERY good at this now. If you damage the threads, I'll show you how to use Time-Serts to repair them. PS: If it starts to go sideways, walk away and come back another day. I spent almost six months getting those 34 stud stubs out. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said: I'm sorry, I'm having PTSD. Looks like you've already started drilling it out. Keep doing that, one size larger at a time. Go very slow, use lots of oil, and a low drill speed and reverse drill bits if you have them. Use care not to wipe out the threads in the block. Once you get close, you can start to use a small nail set to chisel the remains of the stud away from the threads, then chase it out with a thread cleaner (not a tap, which will cut into the threads, you just want a chaser that will clean them out). There are 58 head studs in a Lincoln V12. I broke 34 of them. I am VERY good at this now. If you damage the threads, I'll show you how to use Time-Serts to repair them. PS: If it starts to go sideways, walk away and come back another day. I spent almost six months getting those 34 stud stubs out. OMG... no wonder it is the car whose name shall not be spoken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: No luck on extracting the head bolt with an easy out. Been using PB blaster along with heat and tapping with a hammer but nothing yet. Any tips? Instead of PB Blaster, I recommend a 50/50 mix of Acetone and ATF. Since I started pulling my 1938 Century apart, I keep a squirt can full of that on hand. Simply shaking that up and liberally apply it and waiting overnight was how I took all of the hardware on the Century apart after it sat outside for two decades in Massachusetts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Im right on the edge of the threads at a 5/16 drill bit size. The next two drill bits up or q and u size which I don't have. U being the tap size drill size. Going to get both plus the thread chaser from Amazon. See what we can do. Edited April 5, 2020 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Dropped the piston and honed the #5 cylinder to take care of the rust and reinstalled he piston. Had to remove the oil pumps system. Which I'm gonna leave off to not risk damaging it when I pull the motor forward. Also dropped the gas tank and removed the tank cover. It smells of stale gas which is why I wanted to drop it. Edited April 5, 2020 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Last thing for today I finally figured out how to get the radiator out of the shell. Wedge itatthe bottom and pull from the bottom. With that out I could take apart the grill thermostatic slats. Dad had them chromed but they should be black and several rusted through from the back side. Whoever did the chrome didn't do much to learn up the back of the slats and manyhad opportunities. Should be ok between the two sets of slats but some will need some welding work prior to paint. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Dad brought over some misc parts he had at his house including the missing rear brake linkage (next weekends project) Gonna place a Bob's order too, to keep progress rolling. Bill Hirsch engine paint shipped too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Success... Bolt is out. I still need to chase the threads, waiting on the thread chaser I ordered. That's the good side in the photo. Thanks @Matt Harwood for the tips and encouragement. Edited April 11, 2020 by 38Buick 80C spelling and tagging (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) I pulled the motor forward. But the rear tires hit the body. I had to pull the rear wheels off. I got the freeze plug out out in the new one in. And then I painted the back of the block and the areas that Would be hard to get to with the motor back in place on the mounts. And had a celebratory cigar ( brickhouse Maduro) . Also been making a brisket in a rack of ribs for a good dinner later. I'll add pictures later into this post because I can't do it off my phone. Edited April 11, 2020 by 38Buick 80C added photos 548PM (see edit history) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dship Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Make sure you take a good picture of the rack of ribs! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Huge milestone - the project should really have a pace to it now ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 photos added above 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 hours ago, dship said: Make sure you take a good picture of the rack of ribs! you bet! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 Time for some really good scotch too. No work tomorrow, Easter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Dang, can almost smell and taste. Ben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 Larry Schramm suggested I hook a shop vac up and a direct nozzle to the compressor to get the water jackets clear. Not exactly what Larry described but what I had at my fingertips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 Here is what ended up in the vacuum. A bunch more flew out the top. Using a pen flashlight it looks pretty good. Will do something similar for the head and then use the evaporust like Matt Harwood once I have it all back together. I plan to have the radiator boiled, leak checked and repainted by a radiator shop too. And I got a water pump rebuild kit from Bob's. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buick5563 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Holy cow! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Brian Put a longer piece of tubing on the air chuck. It needs to be at least 18 inches long so it goes all the way down to the bottom of the water jacket. Poke it down there and scrape it around with the vacuum running and the air going. You will probably get a lot more out when you start scraping the bottom with the air tube running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgreen Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I'm caught up on your work, nice progress. Did your dad ever have the car running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, kgreen said: I'm caught up on your work, nice progress. Did your dad ever have the car running? Yes it ran, but he never drove it. We'll fix that soon enough and I'll go grab him on the first drive. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 I'm going to try and complete one thing each night after work now that I can put stuff together instead of taking it further apart. I got new leather boots for the upper control arm / brake linkage thing. So I got those back together tonight. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 I also made two gaskets that weren't in the kit for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) I also got my new spark plug wires ready yesterday and today my one thing was rebuilding the fuel pump. The existing diaphragm was pretty good, but it hasn't been used in 25+ years, but not worth messing with. prior to disassembly, new kit parts laid out During disassembly cleaned up peices reassembled Hopefully will get to do one more thing after dinner and a walk with the family. Edited April 14, 2020 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 Ok got one more thing done. Cleaned up and repainted the starter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 Dad brought some misc sheet metal over including a missing engine splash pan...tomorrows project (plus the one I'm missing on my Model 87). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil morse Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I'm sorry but you lost me at that post with the pics of the ribs and brisket. For some reason, I can't concentrate on anything else after seeing those! 😄 I hope it was as delicious as it looks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: I used to make those rubber diaphragms when I worked at AC Spark plug in the 70's. Molded them on a hot mold machine and then cut them out on a punch press. It was a good job. I think I made about 2,000 a night. Edited April 15, 2020 by Larry Schramm (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 So didn't get to work on anything last night, but I was involved in Buick matters which have been noted in other threads. Tonight we had some Zoom meeting soccer practice and dinner so just paints splash pans and oil pans. Nothing too sexy but it's progress. Splash pans one for the 30 and one for my 38-87. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 Oil pan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 Oh I almost forgot, got my thread chaser cleaner today. Think I'm ready to go on that front. Head back in this weekend is the goal. Maybe just maybe engine paint too... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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