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The water pump is gonna be the death of me, I swear.  I bought 2 replacement pumps. On is correct factory, the other is close but not quite.

 

I started to rebuild the correct one. This time being very careful with the bushing removal. All was going well as the one bushing was pressing out nicely. Then it got to the other bushing and that one refused to budge. Obviously I'm gun shy on putting a lot of press force on it. I tried multiple times but no bueno.

 

Of course by then the bushing driver was stuck and I managed to mangle it to all hell getting it loose. Better the tool than the water pump and it's MAC Tool so lifetime warranty, but ugh.

 

 I'm boxing it all up and sending it out to Arthur Gould to finish the rebuild...

 

I may use the incorrect one temporarily juts to be able to run the motor but I'm not rebuilding it.

 

 

 

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Now on to the dash. I forgot to mention it got it back yesterday too.

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I can partially build it up. I've thought about installing it but think I will wait for the firewall pad to arrive.

 

When's the last time you saw a 90 year old NOS part like this speedo with 0 miles.

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I still need to do the wood graining on the dash bezel. I ordered a replacement surround which will be in brass and still need to be nickel plated once it arrives....from Australia!!!

 

The temp guages is at Bob's being rebuilt and face painted.

 

I've got just about all other bits in hand and ready to go back on with a few bits at the plater.

 

 

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1 hour ago, 38Buick 80C said:

I'm boxing it all up and sending it out to Arthur Gould to finish the rebuild...

 

Smart choice. There's only so much abuse you can take, you know?

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Played with the dash wiring. The harness is older repro, never used. I think it is a Harnesses Unlimited harness and Paul sent me his numbering system, but it doesn't match perfect. I think I have it all sorted and matched the numbers and wire colors up and renumbered his cheat sheet. I have a RI Harness cheat sheet too but it is very different.

 

I also took the opportunity to do the coil to distributor wire.

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Playing with the license plates too. I have a NC dealer tag and a couple sets of NJ tags. The NJ tags are a Bergen County set (my hometown country and a W (Warren Co.??) With numbers I REALLY like. The NC tag has a maroon background which I could simply paint to match the car, but I think I'm going to go with the NJ set with the numbers I like.

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There a little pitted so I'm using up some random extra purple paint and primer in one to fill them. They will be a grey background with white numbers when done.

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Well this absolutely kicked my you know what and I'm not even done. Between the gas tank cover not lining up and the rear bumper mounting bolts holy $#!@ I'm spent.

 

 

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Not sure what to do here. The gas tank cover has holes, the fender doesn't. Looked like I should have something there but what?

 

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Ok that's the last time I push that car back in to the garage. It is getting too heavy the more I bolt on.

 

I better get this radiator and water pump sorted so I can get it running...😓🥵

 

Granted if I put the front bumpers on it won't fit in the stall anymore...

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3 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said:

Not sure what to do here. The gas tank cover has holes, the fender doesn't. Looked like I should have something there but what?

Maybe J-bolts?

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Not too much planned for today.

 

Mostly sanding and preparing parts like these for wood graining. The purple need more wet sanding so burning up weird paint colors.

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The plate is getting pretty close.grey is the correct background color for that year

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1 hour ago, 38Buick 80C said:

Cowl vent door.

 

That's as much as it will close. Did I do something wrong?IMG_20200607_132812.thumb.jpg.e1b4db8e3309958785844ff569bc5424.jpg1591415967_2020-06-0713_29_22.thumb.jpg.b308004cc58241a5ef1b75ddab363526.jpg

Sit and watch that work for a while - someone made the reproduction part wrong via shrinkage in casting or ..., something is flipped he wrong direction, a screw is binding up, or  - I am leaning toward the shaft being too long.  Or perhaps gasket is binding up.  

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1 minute ago, John_Mereness said:

Do some more research, though I am betting the fender has been repaired at some point and should have matching holes - as to the gaps - I would say it had a piece of fender welt, a piece of coach lace (the brown heavy woven stuff), or a piece of rubber.   Given the gap, perhaps go with a piece of rubber.

 

it's both fenders and both are in VERY nice shape, so while that was my thought initially too i really don't think that is the case. I've been looking around and found this photos which seems to show a piece with hooks that bolts to the gas tank cover

 

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23 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said:

 

I do feel like I need a bushing here

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Yes, you need a really thick washer or bushing.  I am not sure what Buick used, but I have made a bunch of hardware for various car luggage racks to get them working properly.

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Another  thing i am trying to figure out. I took a look at the interior window curtains I have. I have a full set plus spares. I am trying to figure out how to remove the mounts from them to put the repro ones on. That's gonna take some more fiddling as there is some spring loaded mechanism in the rods.

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3 minutes ago, 38Buick 80C said:

 

it's both fenders and both are in VERY nice shape, so while that was my thought initially too i really don't think that is the case. I've been looking around and found this photos which seems to show a piece with hooks that bolts to the gas tank cover

 

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That is interesting - show photo to your dad and see if he recalls seeing the parts around  - my guess is you had them, but my guess is also they are not all that durable so may be far from perfect shape.

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2 minutes ago, 38Buick 80C said:

Another  thing i am trying to figure out. I took a look at the interior window curtains I have. I have a full set plus spares. I am trying to figure out how to remove the mounts from them to put the repro ones on. That's gonna take some more fiddling as there is some spring loaded mechanism in the rods.

I recall on the 1931 Cadillac's that one side fell out and the other side needed dynamite.

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1 hour ago, 38Buick 80C said:

Cowl vent door.

 

That's as much as it will close. Did I do something wrong?IMG_20200607_132812.thumb.jpg.e1b4db8e3309958785844ff569bc5424.jpg1591415967_2020-06-0713_29_22.thumb.jpg.b308004cc58241a5ef1b75ddab363526.jpg

Looking at the interior side it appears the support rod, where it connects to the foot pedal,  is hitting the back of the bolt that holds the foot pedal to the hinge. Perhaps the bolt holding the foot pedal onto the hinge need to be turned around?

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2 minutes ago, JohnD1956 said:

Looking at the interior side it appears the support rod, where it connects to the foot pedal,  is hitting the back of the bolt that holds the foot pedal to the hinge. Perhaps the bolt holding the foot pedal onto the hinge need to be turned around?

That was my thought, but it may be only a hair off - aka on the flip side of the coin I believe that somehow the mechanism does some sort of binding thing when it is locked and you do not want to get too aggressive and loose that feature. 

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9 minutes ago, JohnD1956 said:

Looking at the interior side it appears the support rod, where it connects to the foot pedal,  is hitting the back of the bolt that holds the foot pedal to the hinge. Perhaps the bolt holding the foot pedal onto the hinge need to be turned around?

 

4 minutes ago, John_Mereness said:

That was my thought, but it may be only a hair off - aka on the flip side of the coin I believe that somehow the mechanism does some sort of binding thing when it is locked and you do not want to get too aggressive and loose that feature. 

 

Thanks I just went and confirmed the support rod etc is not in a bind. it's like the door or the "hinge" needs to be "bent" in a some, but not ready to do that yet. Will look at how that foot latch attaches and see what adjustments are in there, but again it has more to do with how the door mounts to the body. and yes I tried it on both sides of the body and this is the better side.

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21 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said:

 

Granted if I put the front bumpers on it won't fit in the stall anymore...

The luggage trunk went on the week before the new owner's transport company came - try another two plus feet of car.

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19 minutes ago, 38Buick 80C said:

 

 

Thanks I just went and confirmed the support rod etc is not in a bind. it's like the door or the "hinge" needs to be "bent" in a some, but not ready to do that yet. Will look at how that foot latch attaches and see what adjustments are in there, but again it has more to do with how the door mounts to the body. and yes I tried it on both sides of the body and this is the better side.

I guess the hinge or the door could need a tweak, but that is "bad for the paint" - If the door closes just fine without foot latch on, then I am thinking it is some sort of casting issue in shrinkage or how they drilled the holes. 

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22 minutes ago, John_Mereness said:

I guess the hinge or the door could need a tweak, but that is "bad for the paint" - If the door closes just fine without foot latch on, then I am thinking it is some sort of casting issue in shrinkage or how they drilled the holes. 

 

the foot latch has no effect on it it's ability to close.

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28 minutes ago, John_Mereness said:

The luggage trunk went on the week before the new owner's transport company came - try another two plus feet of car.

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 my luggage rack is currently folded up for the same reason as the front bumpers.

 

pretty car what is that?

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22 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said:

 

 my luggage rack is currently folded up for the same reason as the front bumpers.

 

pretty car what is that?

1932 Rolls-Royce Phantom I Brewster "Dover Sedan New" (a 100% November 1932, build for their steel supplier when things were at their worst for RR of America)

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13 hours ago, John_Mereness said:

Images of Buick Series 40 4-door Sedan (30-47) 1930 (2048 x 1536)

 

Interesting it has a passenger side tail light.

 

the rear door also appears to me monogrammed.

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A productive day though I didn't actually work on the car.

 

My rope rails arrived from Australia. Just need to get the bar/rod made for between them.

 

The water pump is rebuilt and heading back my way.

 

Also the speedo cable is done too.

 

The firewall pad shipped as well...I think.

 

Now if I ever get this radiator and grill back I might get this thing running.

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Forgot, with help from Jesse Morton I got the tank cover to fender scenario figured out... There are little clips (I have found 4 of 6 needed) that hold them together.

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Yesterday I built up the front bumper assembly just to accomplish something. No pictures.

 

This morning my first project is this.

 

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That's right I finally got all the grill back. I purposely locked the slats open as I know the thermostaic adjustment device is non functioning.

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