Xander Wildeisen Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1936-Cord-Rat-Rod/113083774614?hash=item1a54517696:g:K40AAOSwIhRbKXqt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 That just hurts Dave S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Wow....no other words.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 I hope the poor thing was on it's way to the scrap yard and absolutely anything of value was already in the hands of a Cord person. So sad. Greg in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike36 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Ok, I will say it. Only Cord rat rod on the planet because no one else would do that to one of the best car designs ever. Edited June 24, 2018 by Mike36 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Eh, I don't think a nice car was lost for this so to each his own. The ones that kill me is when a nice unmolested car gets butchered and then the guy wonders why he can only sell it for 20 cents on the dollar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 I personally think the office chairs are a nice touch and quite comfortable for those long sunday Cruises. I'm sure nothing great was hurt. My question is if it was a somewhat complete car, please sell me the drivetrain so I can "save" it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 I thought you would like that one auburnseeker, my guess is the body shell was pretty stripped down before that build was started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 If it was worth "restoring" it would have been years ago, Does it make all the others worth $100.00 more? I don't think so. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 42 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: If it was worth "restoring" it would have been years ago, Does it make all the others worth $100.00 more? I don't think so. Bob Only mine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthcranbrook Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Nightmare in Washington!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 I like Rat Rods, and this one seems to have been pretty well executed. With that said, I hate the thought that a restorable Cord may have been cut up to make this thing. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but I really enjoy seeing cars that are original survivors or restored originals. I have a couple of "maintained" originals and a couple of hot rods. I like both types/genres. Cheers, Grog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 The first car show my Dad took me to when I was 11 years old is where the wise old car collector told me "Sonny, only work on open cars, don't waste your time on any sedans." He'd be the one who stripped that car down and stashed all the parts in a barn for his convertible, just in case. And left the worthless sedan body out in the weather. Probably didn't use many of the parts either. He would be pushing about 120 years old now and probably forgot what HE did. Might even be a couple of 70 year old's still out there that could remember stripping out a worthless sedan if you coaxed them. Bernie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 The great Duesenberg restored Jim Hoe once bought a Model J sedan and asked to borrow an ax from the former owner after paying him. Chopped the body off and drove the chassis home and built an SCCA race car out of it. Someone will run the numbers and let us know if it is a prize winning dual cowl touring now. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 8 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: The great Duesenberg restored Jim Hoe once bought a Model J sedan and asked to borrow an ax from the former owner after paying him. Chopped the body off and drove the chassis home and built an SCCA race car out of it. Someone will run the numbers and let us know if it is a prize winning dual cowl touring now. Bob That might be where the term "chop shop" came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 This car came up for sale in 2016 but the seller never responded. It may be the body from one of the Judkins Deusenbergs mounted on a Buick Series 90 chassis. I pretty much gave up on finding it. Closed cars were not held in high regard by the older collectors of the 1950's and '60's.Only a few were lucky enough to be inside. If an old guy owned his Mode A or T open car the only closed cars that might have value would be one he owned. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 That might be a Judkins body but it didn't come off a Model J chassis. Both Judkins coupes still exist and have their original bodies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is one nice looking Coupe! Do you think that white one above it has had the body lengthened between the back window and rumble seat? Maroon Coupe gets extra points for the blackwalls. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 The white one is really out of proportion. It needs at least 5-6 more inches in the doors/cab to balance out the rear tail of the car. I am guessing it has a Cadillac front end? Pulling the rear fenders forward and changing the location of the rear tires in the fenders would help as well. Where is my ax? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 I went to a show yesterday at the Santiam Correctional Institute. These prison shows are by invite only however just about anybody that can pass a background check is welcome. This year there was a bunch of newer stuff. A few from the local Mustang club and a couple of tuners. Even a Bass Boat. Mine was the only real hot rod there. As we were leaving the field there is a short straightaway that gave a chance to show off a bit. I was surprised to see that no one could smoke their tires except for my lowly old rat rod. Even those brand new Mustangs launched like they had traction control. Just a chirp. Since I was also the only one that also smoked my way into the field I was awarded Best of Show. A captive audience for sure. Since they don't allow cameras in there I offer these from earlier times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 The white one was Buick up front. My Great Uncle was in Chrysler engineering at the time these cars were built. He told me the luxury cars were designed for the axles to span a 12 foot concrete highway section, 144" so only one thump would be felt from the tar strips. A coupe with poor proportions was just a case of form follows function rather than the style we expect today. Another consideration would be the nautical influence of cars in the '30's. The long decks carried that look, even called them decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 That odd staggered door gap should help ID the Coupe body. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 I am guessing coupe roof and door tops welded onto home made doors and cowl, no cowl vent is on the car. Only a few cars had no stamped body lines coming off of the hood on the side. It looks like someone tried to highlight that missing line with a painted strip. It also looks like the roof has been widened to fit the larger Buick front. The body line/stamping running under the rear window looks to have a few dips in it, below what looks like welded/lead seams joining the roof pieces together. It would be interesting to get a closer look at that car. One of a kind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbartlett Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 The Hoe-chopped Duesenberg sort of exists -- parts of it and drivetrain components of other Duesies went into what is now an "in-the-style-of" Murphy-bodied dual cowl phaeton, with vee-shaped second windshield, on the long 153 1/2 -inch chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) No opinion on subject car but posting a couple more pics of Judkins coupe for Bob, AJ and anyone else interested. Klingberg two years ago. I believe this car belongs to Richie Clyne, who has supported the show over the years with some nice iron. Edited June 25, 2018 by Steve_Mack_CT (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 On closed Cords I recall as a kid in the late 70s, early 80s a guy in town had 2, rough, for sale for years at around $2,500 per. I sometimes wonder what ever became of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 On 6/24/2018 at 2:03 AM, 1937hd45 said: The great Duesenberg restored Jim Hoe once bought a Model J sedan and asked to borrow an ax from the former owner after paying him. Chopped the body off and drove the chassis home and built an SCCA race car out of it. This is probably a great exaggeration or just an outright lie that was told so many times it was believed true. Or this Jim Hoe had some real deep seated problems. I have heard similar stories from depression era people whom would damage things owned by whoever they perceived as "wealthy" people. This one and the old favorite of racing the big, expensive car that came in for an oil change. Any abuse when those rich people weren't looking. I have heard it a lot of old timers focused on class disparity then. But it still goes on today. I am just imaging what it would have been like to witness that if it REALLY happened. The guy certainly beats the pants off any reality show comic I have ever seen. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Years ago I bought a new car, It was in the dealership for an oil change when a buddy of mine saw it doing a burn out from the local gas station. Of coarse the dealer guys didn't know a thing about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) What a bunch of nonbelievers. HERE'S JOHNNEY!!!!! Edited June 25, 2018 by Xander Wildeisen (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) Reminds me of guy who left his 63, or 64 Stingray at the Shell Station I worked at in HS. Caused quite a stir. Take it for short ride, to be sure it was properly placed for overnight? Guilty, but no holeshots. The next morning the owner did spot the mechanic doing a burnout. It was perfectly timed on his way to work as car was moved into the shop. I think we were all told next episode like that would result in mass firing of pump jockeys as well as mechanics! Edited June 25, 2018 by Steve_Mack_CT (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 So now we know the ax story can be true. Whats next on AACA myth busters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Unfortunately that guy just proved that it could not be done with just and axe. I don't know what that pipe was but the flame wrench was a cheat. Oh yea, and a TOTAL waste of time and one good axe. Its a shame that I cannot unsee that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Chopping some junk car body in half, at least in my mind, has a subtle difference from chopping the body off a running driving any car. Might be vague to some but I am sure happy I can recognize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Just working with what was on youtube, I am not going to try and do it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 On 6/25/2018 at 3:31 PM, 60FlatTop said: Chopping some junk car body in half, at least in my mind, has a subtle difference from chopping the body off a running driving any car. Might be vague to some but I am sure happy I can recognize it. Hollywood has been guilty of that way too many times to count!! Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I have seen some chopped tops that look like they were done with an axe....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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