JanZverina Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 This just in from Rock Auto regarding my order through Amazon. Does anyone know of another source to find this air filter? 1963 BUICK RIVIERA 6.6L 401cid V8Fuel & Air : Air Filter WIX Part # 42092 We are sorry to tell you that this part is still out of stock. We have also checked our catalog and determined that there are no alternative parts available. If you are still interested in receiving notifications on this part, please visit the link below and click 'Notify Me When Available'.WIX Part # 42092: https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/?carcode=1319598&parttype=6192&a=avl360142c1319598 RockAuto, LLC Madison, WI Any leads appreciated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) I just put "wix 42092" into Google and found many sources, including O'Reilly Auto Parts and NAPA. Both of which have online ordering if there is not a store near where you are. One listing allegedly had crosses into other brands. Key things are the element's outside diameter, inside diameter, and height. FWIW, NTX5467 Edited February 19, 2023 by NTX5467 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Jan, I went on the Wix website. I followed their search engine and easily enough for my area I supplied a list of suit supply stores of Where Yo Buy. The Wix website showed a photo and gave complete dimensions. later gator the Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 18 hours ago, NTX5467 said: I just put "wix 42092" into Google and found many sources, including O'Reilly Auto Parts and NAPA. Both of which have online ordering if there is not a store near where you are. One listing allegedly had crosses into other brands. Key things are the element's outside diameter, inside diameter, and height. FWIW, NTX5467 The key thing with these filters is the lip. The lip goes over the rim of the base and provides a surface for the lid to rest on. Without the lip, there is a gap around the diameter of the lid. A different filter may fit, but it won't function properly. On the Wix site there is also crossover reference to applications for Cadillac and Oldsmobile. Is there a chance one of those clubs has a hoard of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanZverina Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 You're correct, Ed, about the upper lip. That's the key to this part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 The other Post "Are ‘65 and ‘66 air cleaners the same?" shows an NOS AC Air Filter element. No P/N and can't tell if it has the upper lip. The pancake Air Cleaners do require the upper lip. My concern too when looking for a replacement element. Still looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 So the OEM ACDelco filter has a flange of sorts on the upper side, to cover a gap between the outer diameter of the filter element and the air cleaner housing? Is the flange just on the upper side or on both sides of the element? Just curious, NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) Just the top. AC Delco, Fram, and others all were made with the lip. Edited February 21, 2023 by RivNut (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I took a couple of pictures of one of my 63 air cleaners w/ filter to give you an idea of how the lip on the filter is an integral part of the assembly. Without the lip, the lid falls into the base 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapom Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just ordered 2 from oldbuickparts.com. I called them up to be sure that they had the wider lip on the top. I asked them what brand it was and they told me that they have it made for themselves. They are about $32 each plus shipping. I've been waiting for napa or wix to get them back in stock for over a year. I made it a mission today to find some, so I thought I would share my luck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanZverina Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 Much appreciated, rapom. I left a msg with them to find out more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocks Rod & Custom Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The A85C has the proper lip for sealing at the top of the filter housing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapom Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Well, I should have waited till I got them to post. Not sure what these are for, but they won’t fit. They sent me a recall tag and are going to try and get the right ones. The picture shows my old one along with the new one. Hopefully they have the right ones. Sorry for any trouble this may have caused for any of you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The one on the left looks correct. This one fits all the way to the bottom of the base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapom Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Yes, the one on the left is my old napa one. I gave them the dimensions of it so that hopefully I get the right ones this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 The filter on the right looks like a dual quad air filter. Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapom Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 I wondered what they were for. They seemed awfully short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera63 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I was searching the Buick Farm website and came across a listing for the air filter for our Rivieras. It says they have one in stock. Grab it before it is gone. https://buickfarm.com/product/element-air-filter-nors/ Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanZverina Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 Already out of stock, but thanks for the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I’ve placed a request from Wix as to the status of these filters. Been waiting almost a year for 2 from Summit Racing. Will post when I hear from them. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanZverina Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 Thanks, Ray. Also no update from CARS Inc. in months. They were looking into NORS filters as well for '63/4 but maybe they're all eyeing the same production house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 https://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartApplications.aspx?Part=42092 The above link is a cross reference to other cars using the same air filter as the 64/64 Riviera. Maybe one of the specialty groups for these makes might have a line on this filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Yes I saw the use of these filters was somewhat limited. I’m working on this first part of next week. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Old news, Wix was bought out by a German company. I tried to find an air filter for the 401 nailhead from local suppliers. No Wix air or oil filters to be found in this area. It seems an alternate is available? Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 3:47 PM, BulldogDriver said: I’ve placed a request from Wix as to the status of these filters. Been waiting almost a year for 2 from Summit Racing. Will post when I hear from them. Ray You won’t hear from Wix the phone is disconnected. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Mann+Hummler is German filter maker. M+H are making Wix filters but are apparently keeping it a secret. If you are really interested in the drill down to find out more I would Google Mann+Hummler. The maker has a nice website. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I’ve already had correspondence with Wix and will work through that next week. Will update when I have something positive to give. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 hours ago, BulldogDriver said: I’ve already had correspondence with Wix and will work through that next week. Will update when I have something positive to give All good news. The Wix products I used were good and would use them again if I could get them. I sent an email to Mann+Hummler and got a stock response saying nothing. Hopefully, you’ll get some traction with the folks who can supply the items you want. Thank you for follow up. Seems a shame you’ve got to work so hard to get someone to sell you filters. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Gents-To make the drill down short Mann+Hummel makes wix filters. What Wix Air Filter I could find for the 63 Riviera is out of stock. eBay has a number of Wix Air filters that may or may not interchange. I saw one filter that listed the Wix air filter would fit the 64 Buick Riviera.. The company Affinia owns the Brand Wix while Mann+Hummel make Wix filters. Mann+Hummel is a German company, but where the filters are made could very well be in Germany. It seems to me Affinia contracts with Mann+Hummel to make a filter with the Wix name on the product. One would hope the quality is as good as it was when the air filters were easier to get. In the absence of minimum specific specifications to act as a guide how and what the air filters were made I'm not sure how you would know if what Mann+Hummel makes a good Wix air filter. Bulldog, if your connection with the manufacturer indicates they will make the air filter for the Rivieras we need you deserve a 5 star rating. Later Gator Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 The Wix air filter specs are on the Wix filter website. I can’t navigate the edit of the Wix filter specs over here. My information is the specs are available so you can compare with other filters that are available. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 On 6/10/2023 at 3:09 PM, BulldogDriver said: I’ve already had correspondence with Wix and will work through that next week. Will update when I have something positive to give. I sent an e-mail (not Contact-Us placebo) to K&N Tech Support since they claim they do Custom filter elements. E-mail included specs and P/Ns for the '63 - 66 pancake airfilters. That was about a week ago and no response thus far. Highly unlikely anything will come of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, XframeFX said: sent an e-mail (not Contact-Us placebo) to K&N Tech Support since they claim they do Custom filter elements. John, thank you for your efforts. Turbinator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 It might just be a matter of buying the correct size paper element from the local auto parts store and reusing/gluing the old rubber lip from the top. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 hours ago, gungeey said: It might just be a matter of buying the correct size paper element from the local auto parts store and reusing/gluing the old rubber lip from the top. I thought of that too. Freeze the upper Lip and cut/machine like foam? A carpenter saw? Hmmm I have only the 1 filter element and its not far gone enough to hack apart. Will want to do it to a dirty element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, XframeFX said: I thought of that too. Freeze the upper Lip and cut/machine like foam? A carpenter saw? Hmmm I have only the 1 filter element and its not far gone enough to hack apart. Will want to do it to a dirty element. I have a lifetime supply. Just trying to help those without. I think a razor knife would do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Ok I got a reply from the Retailer I’ve been working with. They told me that their Distributor has not been able to get anything from Wix for awhile. The Retailer is working on a solution for this but was upfront and said it could be several months before they have a new supplier. I would think this might have something to due with the purchase of Wix by the German group as referenced by Turbinator. I will post an update when I get something. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 6/12/2023 at 7:24 PM, XframeFX said: Highly unlikely anything will come of it. Yep, a dead-end. K&N did reply. I knew of their P/N: E1910 for years. It didn't have the wider upper Lip. So, that element was never an option. Otherwise, I, among many, would've purchased it. Reply: "Thank you for your email. The cross reference for a A85C and CA178PL was a E-1910. This filter has been discontinued since 2/9/2021. We did offer a custom air filter program a while back but since than the machines that were used to do this were moved from California to Texas and a lot of the molds were not transported along with the machine. At this time we do not offer a replacement filter. I apologize about the inconvenience." Thank you, K&N Tech Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 12 hours ago, XframeFX said: ...a lot of the molds were not transported along with the machine. The ROI calculation: (Expected Unit Sales) x (Profit per Unit)/(Mold Shipping Cost - CA to TX) < 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/15/2023 at 8:08 AM, EmTee said: The ROI calculation: (Expected Unit Sales) x (Profit per Unit)/(Mold Shipping Cost - CA to TX) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/14/2023 at 7:16 PM, XframeFX said: Yep, a dead-end. K&N did reply. I knew of their P/N: E1910 for years. It didn't have the wider upper Lip. So, that element was never an option. Otherwise, I, among many, would've purchased it. Reply: "Thank you for your email. The cross reference for a A85C and CA178PL was a E-1910. This filter has been discontinued since 2/9/2021. We did offer a custom air filter program a while back but since than the machines that were used to do this were moved from California to Texas and a lot of the molds were not transported along with the machine. At this time we do not offer a replacement filter. I apologize about the inconvenience." Thank you, K&N Tech Support John, here are the physical specs for Wix air filter 42902 for 63 Riviera. Part Number: 42092 UPC Number: 765809420922 Style: Air Filter Service: Air Type: Media: Cellulose Height: 2.92, (74)* Outer Diameter Top: 17.062, (433)* Outer Diameter Bottom: 16.16, (410)* Ends: Plastic CFM: 300 Gasket Diameters: Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Principal Application: Buick (63-66), Cadillac (59-60), Olds (59-60) Part Number:42092 UPC Number:765809420922 Style:Air Filter Service:Air Type: Media:Cellulose Height:2.92, (74)* Outer Diameter Top:17.062, (433)* Outer Diameter Bottom:16.16, (410)* Ends:Plastic CFM:300 Gasket Diameters: NumberO.D.I.D.Thk. Principal Application: Buick (63-66), Cadillac (59-60), Olds (59-60) Part Number: 42092 UPC Number: 765809420922 Style: Air Filter Service: Air Type: Media: Cellulose Height: 2.92, (74)* Outer Diameter Top: 17.062, (433)* Outer Diameter Bottom: 16.16, (410)* Ends: Plastic CFM: 300 Gasket Diameters: Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Principal Application: Buick (63-66), Cadillac (59-60), Olds (59-60) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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