RivNut Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, EmTee said: Maybe cut some 3/16" (or 1/4"?) vacuum hose to length so that it fills the gap and is held in place by the lid? Or leave it open and enjoy the sound of the AFB gulping air at WOT! I have a plan but I’ll wait to expose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) My Amazon 16” x 3” filter with the gap closed Amazon 16” x 3” filter with lip The lip. Cut from a 1/8” piece of rubber floor runner from Home Depot. I’m sure that cutting the lip can be fine tuned. I did this with a pair Fiskar scissors I have hanging on my peg board tool rack. Edited September 5, 2023 by RivNut (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seafoam65 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Problem solved!......good job Ed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Should I leave the “lip” loose so I can reuse it or do I glue it in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seafoam65 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 I would just leave it loose......no glue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsuggestion Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) Great job Ed. There are several sellers online that claim that they have this Allstar filter for $21.99. Of course, with shipping, it'll be about the same cost as Amazon. Matt Edited September 5, 2023 by mrsuggestion (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Now an entrepreneur just needs to fabricate a jig to cut nice concentric circular rings and punch-out a few dozen in their garage over the winter! "Turbinator... Turbinator... Turbinator... Turbinator..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Ed, If you have the time could you post the measured height of the new filter and maybe a photo of the old and new filter together. My concern is height. Because of me using an Edelbrock carb and a TPS mounted to the carb, I had to go a little higher with the mounting of the air cleaner. If I remember correctly the Edelbrock is not as tall as an original Rochester so I think it was still close to the height of a Carter AFB. My measurement of a WIX 42092 was 2 15/16” when I compress the lip down with a flat bar. Your photos seem to show the new filter being a bit higher than an original filter, my lid sits tightly to the body with the filter installed loose with no gap between the 3 parts. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 No “tape measure” measurements, but this picture should alleviate any anxieties that you may have. The Red 1963 breather has the new 16” x 3” filter with the 1/8” inch lip; theBlack 1963 breather has an original 63/64 filter in it. The bubble is centered Ed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 2 hours ago, RivNut said: The bubble is centered Have you checked your bench lately...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, EmTee said: Have you checked your bench lately...? Oh yeah. When the ball bearings fall out of a bicycle hub, they roll around a little but never go for the floor. 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Thanks Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 9:19 AM, EmTee said: Now an entrepreneur just needs to fabricate a jig to cut nice concentric circular rings and punch-out a few dozen in their garage over the winter! "Turbinator... Turbinator... Turbinator... Turbinator..." Turbinator, is waiting on delivery now. later gator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 9/10/2023 at 6:40 AM, Turbinator said: Turbinator, is waiting on delivery now. later gator NapaGold 2092 Air Filter (Wix 42092) 2092 Retail Price: $32.99 Your Price: $18.77 Filters per Case: 1 Save 10% for $125 order: $$16.90 Save 20% for $200 order: $15.02 Availability: On Factory Backorder $18.77 PRODUCT DETAILS Product Specifications Part Number:42092 UPC Number:765809420922 Style:Air Filter Service:Air Type: Media:Cellulose Height:2.92 (74)* Outer Diameter Top:17.062 (433)* Outer Diameter Bottom:16.16 (410)* Inside Diameter:13.812 (351)* Ends:Plastic CFM:300 ( )* denotes metric Gasket 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Bob are you saying you have air filters being delivered to you now? Would like to know so I can get a couple before they go to back order again. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera63 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I went to the same site and if you look at Bob's post both say they are on factory back order. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 From my conversations with the WIX people, when they say an item is on back order, that’s the same as saying it’s been discontinued until some firm places an order in the neighborhood of 10K, or enough to put at least one unit in every store in the chain. How many NAPA, AutoZone, Advance Autos, O’Reilly’s are there in the country? You can bet there are more of these stores than there are cars on the road who can use them, even if every car owner bought two spares. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 13 hours ago, RivNut said: From my conversations with the WIX people Those with the 2X4 setup, better stock up on replacement elements while you can. I believe those are still available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 6:12 AM, Turbinator said: On 6/15/2023 at 8:08 AM, EmTee said: The ROI calculation: (Expected Unit Sales) x (Profit per Unit)/(Mold Shipping Cost - CA to TX) The ROI calcunlation I use is get something people want and invest $1. Then sell the item for net profit of $10. Economics lesson over. Please see my prototype of an air filter that fits the specifications for a 401. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 7:19 PM, BulldogDriver said: Bob are you saying you have air filters being delivered to you now? Would like to know so I can get a couple before they go to back order again. Ray Ray, I had a prototype delivered mid November. I was out of town for a month. I was a bit too hopeful thinking Id buy a wholesale amount. I settled for a prototype and it looks good. The MOQ is high for my risk/reward tolerance. Ive twisted the numbers every which way and Im afraid my brand of arithmetic just will not show a worthwhile investment. im thinking many would rather blow out the existing filter and continue use as opposed to buying new. There is no status nor sense in over spending. Thank you for your inquiry. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Turbinator said: Please see my prototype of an air filter that fits the specifications for a 401 I normally would have stocked-up on extra elements. But before they transitioned to forever back-order, they were BLACK. I was holding out for RED Elements like the current FRAM I have now. Hind-sight is 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Turbinator said: The MOQ is high for my risk/reward tolerance. What about pre-ordering? What's the minimum order quantity? Do you think you could reach that number if you took orders and set an order deadline? What do you think the 'sell price' range would be based on meeting the minimum order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I seriously doubt that Wix could care less about a one off order for these filters. First thing is they are a foreign entity now, and have no vested interest in our hobby. I had a talk with one of Summit Racing’s buyer about a year ago and it was relayed to me that they had difficulty getting product from them. If they can’t get through to them, good luck being us. Damn shame as I just spent a small fortune modifying my cleaner to fit properly on an Edelbrock. Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 4 hours ago, BulldogDriver said: I just spent a small fortune modifying my cleaner to fit properly on an Edelbrock. I have a spare Red Crinkle Pancake Air Cleaner which I was going to follow your lead. No available elements, no sense now. I would've thought K&N to come to our rescue but they tossed their molds. Bad timing all around. No more custom filters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I still thank that my rubber ring will work both for efficiency and not be noticeable to 99% of the casual lookers. I need to perfect a way of cutting them out. A free hand utility knife doesn’t quite cut it. My biggest problem is finding something with which I can draw a fine line on black rubber. No pens, pencils, markers, or anything else works. Chalk shows up but chalk doesn’t make a thin enough line to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeJS Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, RivNut said: My biggest problem is finding something with which I can draw a fine line on black rubber. Ed, good day. You’re certainly on the right track, I would’ve thought marking the lines to be the easy part. Although I only needed to cut straight lines, a silver sharpie worked perfect on 1/8 rubber. in terms of cutting the circle, the attached compass cutter is under $20 but only does 16” diameter, which may be a tad smaller for the outer cut, but I think it would be relatively easy to make a similar tool using a nail, a length of 1x2 board and then screw the blade to the end of the board… Sorry, no image for that but if you google “circle gasket cutter” you’ll see similar tools that I’m sure one could “MacGyver” something together… Keep us posted if you find something that works… EDIT: For what it’s worth, soapy water is a good lubricant when cutting rubber. Later, Edited December 10, 2023 by MikeJS (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, MikeJS said: Ed, good day. You’re certainly on the right track, I would’ve thought marking the lines to be the easy part. Although I only needed to cut straight lines, a silver sharpie worked perfect on 1/8 rubber. in terms of cutting the circle, the attached compass cutter is under $20 but only does 16” diameter, which may be a tad smaller for the outer cut, but I think it would be relatively easy to make a similar tool using a nail, a length of 1x2 board and then screw the blade to the end of the board… Sorry, no image for that but if you google “circle gasket cutter” you’ll see similar tools that I’m sure one could “MacGyver” something together… Keep us posted if you find something that works… EDIT: For what it’s worth, soapy water is a good lubricant when cutting rubber. Later, Thanks, I’ll get a silver marker and give it a shot. Not sure about the cutter unless I was going to to a mass production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulldogDriver Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 15 hours ago, XframeFX said: I have a spare Red Crinkle Pancake Air Cleaner which I was going to follow your lead. No available elements, no sense now. I would've thought K&N to come to our rescue but they tossed their molds. Bad timing all around. No more custom filters. You can still use the original cleaner with one of the after market 3” high filters. The lid will seal properly to protect the qcarburetor but you will be sucking unfiltered air from the snorkel and around the lid and body which would give you better air flow. I’ve one spare filter and will get one of the 3” aftermarket ones. Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenugent Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, RivNut said: Thanks, I’ll get a silver marker and give it a shot. Not sure about the cutter unless I was going to to a mass production. Cut with aviation snips,like sheetmetal workers use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I tried using mine but I can’t cut a circle with perfect edges. Cutting the outside isn’t too bad but the snips did not do well cutting the inner circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Remember the "RotoZip" that Sears used to sell for cutting holes in walls and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 12:44 PM, BulldogDriver said: You can still use the original cleaner with one of the after market 3” high filters. The lid will seal properly to protect the qcarburetor but you will be sucking unfiltered air from the snorkel and around the lid and body which would give you better air flow. I’ve one spare filter and will get one of the 3” aftermarket ones. Ray All the air will go through the filter. Some through the snorkel as well, as through the gap around the between the walls of the base and the top of the filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) Willis- this popped up. I cut holes for many home projects. I saw ( pun) this as a catch all. 2”-20” hole cutters SKU 1891192 Hilnor tools at Supply House ( have not purchased yet) Description – Cutting holes in sheet metal just got a whole lot easier. These two tools allow you to bring some power to what was previously a manual job, whether you use the smaller Hole Cutter for 2” to 12” holes or the larger Hole Cutter for 2” to 20” holes. Looks like sheet metal has met its match. Edited December 12, 2023 by Turbinator (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Well, i did buy the hole cutter. If it works that will be good! ill keep you advised. later gator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Hilmor 1891192 SMTHC220 Hole Cutter, 2" to 20" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 I bought it. I have some holes to cut, but not for air filters. Looks like a good design and well made. Probably not as good as the the tried and true string with a pencil on one end and center point on the other for the radius. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren@65GS.com Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Turbinator said: I bought it. I have some holes to cut, but not for air filters. Looks like a good design and well made. Probably not as good as the the tried and true string with a pencil on one end and center point on the other for the radius. Turbinator I've used one of those tools many, many times while installing duct work for heating and air conditioning. Be careful on the hole adjustment to get a correct size. Also need to be cautious as you finish the last 2-3 inches of the cut as it is easy to make the hole out of round because you are pivoting on a center point that is slowly going to move. Practice makes perfect. Loren@65GS.com Edited December 21, 2023 by Loren@65GS.com (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Loren@65GS.com said: Practice makes perfect Loren, I appreciate you taking the time to help out on the learning curve. My time in high school French class could have been better spent in shop class. My shop class now is learn by my mistakes. But, your input cut down on my mistakes. Thank you again. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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