1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 That last photo qualifies for the post I started on "Cars in the Snow" but I'd like to see it on the lawn at Pebble Beach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE POLLARD Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 23 hours ago, edinmass said: the Stutz Special Ed - I would like to see a picture of it, if possible ...... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, STEVE POLLARD said: Ed - I would like to see a picture of it, if possible ...... Steve Go back three posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 46 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: That last photo qualifies for the post I started on "Cars in the Snow" but I'd like to see it on the lawn at Pebble Beach. You can cross post it Bob if you want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Is that photo in front of the original builders house? If it is still there you need to post a current photo after Ed is finished with the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 I can see I need to get Ed under control. That picture was taken in the 1940s well after the car was screwed with . If you want to see what it look like when it was newer, look at the one I posted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: Is that photo in front of the original builders house? If it is still there you need to post a current photo after Ed is finished with the engine. Bob, that is 10 to 15 years after the car was built. You can see it is beat to crap. the big V radiator had been replaced, and they had to raise the radiator shell to make it fit, they put the Minerva hood ornament on it, they painted the wheels, red and white walls, etc. etc. etc. Also John Cislak is the one doing the engine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 AJ, that is one good looking car. I know you have the best guy in the world to work on it. Are you sure you want Ed to drive it? It will surely take away from the beauty of the machine. dave s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, SC38dls said: AJ, that is one good looking car. I know you have the best guy in the world to work on it. Are you sure you want Ed to drive it? It will surely take away from the beauty of the machine. dave s Sometimes you don’t have a choice… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, alsancle said: Also John Cislak is the one doing the engine. Is he the guy that built the Holman Stutz engine? That car runs well at Vintage events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 11:33 AM, edinmass said: After too long of a delay, the Stutz Special is back in the shop...........and it should be running by spring...........just a quick photo of todays work....... Not a new idea. Hal told me the engine was a pooch until he and Bill built the manifolds and stuck on the down draft carbs. Hal said “then it woke up”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 Thank you West for merging the threads. John dropped a dummy engine in last week to fit the manifolds and build linkage. We also will shape a radiator using foam so we can have one made. Also attached are the actual engine which is 95% ready to run. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 That cam drive is a work of art! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Matt it’s a masterpiece. dave s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: That cam drive is a work of art! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Not really fair to compare Morse chain to gear driven cam engines. This is what Duesenberg accomplished with Horace Dodge money. W24 marine engine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) If a car had that engine in it it would not be able to drive thru KY and many other places in the south. The roads are not wide enough. That thing had to weigh more than the rest of a car. dave s Edited December 28, 2022 by SC38dls (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 I knew that Horace Dodge had an incredible personal yacht! But I cannot recall ever seeing a good picture of the engine before. Neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swear57 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Any pictures of the rest of the engine? That is massive. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 That looks like an annoying gasket to cut, George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Just for scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Google Notre Dame Duesenberg. It has been restored and a hull was built. There are videos of it running. Knew a guy who had the engine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 I have to say my favorite Duesenberg marine engined boat was the 1914 Disturber. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, George K said: I have to say my favorite Duesenberg marine engined boat was the 1914 Disturber. I saw one of the larger scale Miller blocks (probably a good equal to this Duesenberg) one day in Zakira's garage in Cincinanti - it had suffered from one catastrophic event after the next and I asked if restorable and the answer was "best to recast". It is poor design as a single unit, though as a complete engine it had its structural strength needed to do the job - obviously within limits though. Edited December 30, 2022 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Maybe you should use this engine. Super Duper Special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 Do you still have that in the shop George? I’ve always wanted a Marmon 16. I think at this point that’s probably not gonna happen anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 No as I never had it. Those pictures were taken a the old D Cameron Peck shop in Illinois. Hal and Bill Ullrich worked for Peck and remained in a part of the shop. They were remarkable people and loved everything automobile. That engine came out of a boat that Peck found in Chicago. They kept it in hopes of building a car around it. The Weber carburetors are from a Ferrari. They ferried Ferrari’s from Luigi Chinetti in NY to customers in the Midwest and worked them also. I think I know who ended up with the remains of their shop after Bill passed. Alway liked the 16 cylinder stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, alsancle said: Do you still have that in the shop George? I’ve always wanted a Marmon 16. I think at this point that’s probably not gonna happen anymore. I've got one, whether you want just a Marmon Sixteen engine or one that comes with the accessory motorcar attached. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said: I've got one, whether you want just a Marmon Sixteen engine or one that comes with the accessory motorcar attached. I'm surprised that hasn't found a home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Being from out west in "no mans land" I have never seen such interesting designs and engines. Big money was certainly invested in every engine pictured. Surely dream material! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Is this one a stationary engine or a marine engine? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 LOL....i really dont know,i found it in the prairies so likely not marine and......... i didnt see a foot pedal clutch.......so i dont know whats its from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Did you get the complete engine or only parts? I worked on a similar engine that powered one of our back up generators at a power generation station I worked at. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcticbuicks Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) it was complete apart ,i got $600 a ton at the scrap yard ,took pic waiting to get on the scale.........i cant imagine working on one that size,i guess you just couldnt order a head gasket and get it mailed ?....and you would have to open the shop door and back truck out of the driveway .....just to get the cam out 25 feet Edited January 3, 2023 by arcticbuicks (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kar3516 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 I’m betting that is a low speed stationary municipal generator engine or possibly a stationary gas compressor engine. I’m also betting that the engine block is laying on its side on the trailer and that the individual cylinder heads would have have been attached and bolted to the top of the block now facing the side of the trailer. Virtually all low speed stationary industrial engines had the power cylinders in a vertical orientation unless they were aligned in vee configuration. I have a large 30 year accumulation worth of industrial stationary engine and compressor sales brochures and technical bulletins which show numerous designs which date back to the 1940s. Many of these engines (and compressor frames) were installed in Alberta in the oil fields for natural gas compression service 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 I don't know how a guy would even install that cam shaft. Probably take three guys just to move it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1937hd45 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) Here is the V16 Marmon at INDY in 1937. Entered by Lee Oldfield it was the first rear engined car entered, but never qualified. Does it still exist? Is the rear arm off a Packard front end? Edited January 4, 2023 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 14 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Here is the V16 Marmon at INDY in 1937. Entered by Lee Oldfield it was the first rear engined car entered, but never qualified. Does it still exist? Is the rear arm off a Packard front end? Looks like it to me, as well as the hub caps and the front A arm and coil spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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