Period images to relieve some of the stress

[30DodgePanel]

[30DodgePanel]

[30DodgePanel]

[Walt G]

Hudson and Terraplane 1936. Images from the b & w sales catalog printed/published in England for those makes. Both cars have British bodies. the "factory" conv. coupe for the Terraplane that is shown in the catalog was the same as the USA version, the "Foursome Drop Head Coupe " shown here most likely had a body by Tickford. The foursome was much more expensive. When I had a great friend in England who had a business of selling vehicle publications ( sales, manuals, periodicals etc) by auction he was my "eyes" to locate any sales literature that was printed/published in Europe and England for American cars. Totally neat items showing how American cars were presented for sale there pre WWII. My great long time  friend Michael Sedgwick put me on to this fellow who lived near him. I was able to add some outstanding material to my library that I enoy to look at but also use for research - primary source material. ( get used to those last 3 words, I use them often)

[Grimy]

3 hours ago, edinmass said:

Pierce used the exact same choke and spark knob on the dash in 29-30.

Choke only, spark control was a handle on the dash--says this 1930 Pierce owner.

[LCK81403]

The dash panel appears to be in a 1928 or 1929 Packard.  Attached is a'27 Packard dash, two '28 Packard dash panels, and a '29 Packard panel.  I do not own a Packard and have only saved a bucket load of photos for documentation and comparison.  Hopefully the photo titling information is correct. 

[nzcarnerd]

2 hours ago, LCK81403 said:

The dash panel appears to be in a 1928 or 1929 Packard.  Attached is a'27 Packard dash, two '28 Packard dash panels, and a '29 Packard panel.  I do not own a Packard and have only saved a bucket load of photos for documentation and comparison.  Hopefully the photo titling information is correct. 

 So I was right to think Packard? Even if uncertain of the year. The only Packard I have driven is this 733, and it was quite a few years ago. 

 

 

[LCK81403]

Yes, you nailed it.  I am at the mercy of the photos and their captions.  If the photos and captions are correct then the '28 and '29 used the same dash.  As shown previously the '27 is quite different and then a 1930 is again different from the '28 /  '29 version.  Attached are two photos of the dash panels in two different 1930 Packard Model 734s, the third photo shows a 1931 Model 845 dash.  These three photos are from professional photographs taken of the cars that were advertised for sale or auction.  Hence the date of the vehicles, model numbers, and photograph captions are excellent documentation, and it appears that Packard used the same dash for two consecutive years for the 28-29 years, and a different panel for two consecutive years 30-31.  The fourth photo is a 1932 Packard Model 902 dash, and the 5th and last photo is a 33 Packard Eight 1001 dash.

[HK500]

Packard changed the dashboards every series in these years - sometimes just a little, but they're different.  Top to bottom, by approximate year and exact series:   1927 3'd series - note the lever ignition switch to the left.  1928 4th series 8 cylnder  and 5th series 6 cylinder- now all guages, ignition lever is gone, "replaced" by clock.   1929 6th series - flat dash, with kidney and oval gauges, but note the steering column bracket prodruding from the dashboard face. Clock has migrated all the way across the dash to the right side!  1930 7th series - flat dash, woodgrained,  kidney and ovals, lower chrome edge has gradual change from below glovebox doors across the car.  1931 8th series - the lower chrome edge has an abrupt change upwardthen back down as it goes across the car.   These photos are of cars I've either owned or sold over the years.

Edited November 28, 2021 by HK500
re-arrange pictures (see edit history)

[Ben Bruce aka First Born]

On 11/25/2021 at 5:00 AM, edinmass said:

 

 Nice door lock!

 

  Ben

[nzcarnerd]

As Monty Python was wont to say - 'And now for something completely different'. 

 

Some photos of early 20th century European  - mostly Belgian I think - cycle pacing machines appeared on another page and I thought them worth sharing. The second photo is the reverse of the card in the first. The third photo a surviving machine, although unlike most if looks to be a solo. Many had a crew of two -  one to steer and one to operate the controls, and provide the wind shield. I have seen photos of similar machines with a 'bucket' under the engine to catch the oil drips. Details of the mechanicals are unknown.

 

 

 

 

[1937hd45]

Is that ANZANI in raised letters on the crankcase? If so is it an aircraft engine, or part of one? Bob 

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by 1937hd45 (see edit history)

[hook]

On 11/20/2021 at 7:48 PM, edinmass said:

This one is for Walt......

Very nice photo. But I would have thought that one of you, Ed or Walt would have identified the gentleman standing next to the car. According to the Franklin publication by Mark Chaplin & Sinclair Powell, this is the man responsible for these fantastic designs. Ray Dietrich next to a series 12 at the Franklin factory. Am I right?

[stakeside]

These are I believe factory photos of 29 Dodge Bros trucks. Note bumper bar with optional lites.

 

[nzcarnerd]

3 hours ago, stakeside said:

These are I believe factory photos of 29 Dodge Bros trucks. Note bumper bar with optional lites.

 

 David Greenlees wrote a short article about those bumper lights a few years ago - A Pretty Woman – A 1929 Buick Roadster – A Bumper Mystery | The Old Motor

[nzcarnerd]

A couple of early post cards from New Zealand - not very large unfortunately.  I think the car in the earlier pic is an early Darracq but the other one with the plate RO9 is a mystery, although I am fairly certain it is American. I have another photo of it somewhere - somewhere -but still looking. Posting these now as I hope someone may have a clue to its identity, while I hunt for a better version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[8E45E]

On 11/27/2021 at 10:11 AM, Walt G said:

Totally neat items showing how American cars were presented for sale there pre WWII. My great long time  friend Michael Sedgwick put me on to this fellow who lived near him. I was able to add some outstanding material to my library that I enoy to look at but also use for research - primary source material. ( get used to those last 3 words, I use them often)

 

 

Studebaker changed the name from 'Dictator' to 'Director' for the European market.    https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=studebaker+director&_sacat=0

 

One can put that into their "I wonder why" file.

 

Craig

[nzcarnerd]

1 hour ago, nzcarnerd said:

A couple of early post cards from New Zealand - not very large unfortunately.  I think the car in the earlier pic is an early Darracq but the other one with the plate RO9 is a mystery, although I am fairly certain it is American. I have another photo of it somewhere - somewhere -but still looking. Posting these now as I hope someone may have a clue to its identity, while I hunt for a better version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I knew I had posted pics of RO9 before -just took a little searching -  

 

[Walt G]

J. Frank de Causse was responsible for the design/style of the Franklin fender/hood/body design  through the series 12 of 1928. Ray Dietrich was hired for some design consultant work and his work started to appear in 1929 as a transition from the de Causse styled shell and also the new fender line and body style. De Causse passed away in 1928 and is buried in a cemetery west of Philadelphia that was owned by his mother ( de Causse never married) .

[nzcarnerd]

A photo from Samoa - captioned 1920s but I think the coupe might be a 1931 Pontiac. Anyone got a better idea?

 

 

 

 

 

Anything identifiable among the other cars?

 

[LCK81403]

The car in the Samoa photo appears to be a 1931 DeSoto with a rumble seat.  The '31 DeSoto had a thin radiator shell to make the hood appear to be longer.  But in making the hood appear to be longer the radiator shell ended up looking stubby and chintzy, consequently the front ended just didn't look right.  That is what Chrysler also did with their cars.  I do not like the look.  IMHO Chrysler and DeSoto should have made the radiator shell to look like a full-size shell, thereby making the car look nicer and more balanced of design.  The 1932 model year pushed the radiator shell "out there", making a styling statement.

[keiser31]

8 minutes ago, LCK81403 said:

The car in the Samoa photo appears to be a 1931 DeSoto with a rumble seat.  The '31 DeSoto had a thin radiator shell to make the hood appear to be longer.  But in making the hood appear to be longer the radiator shell ended up looking stubby and chintzy, consequently the front ended just didn't look right.  That is what Chrysler also did with their cars.  I do not like the look.  IMHO Chrysler and DeSoto should have made the radiator shell to look like a full-size shell, thereby making the car look nicer and more balanced of design.  The 1932 model year pushed the radiator shell "out there", making a styling statement.

Don't think it's a DeSoto. The door handle is in the wrong place and other features differ. It does look more like a Pontiac, but does not have the fender mounted parking lamps..

Edited December 1, 2021 by keiser31 (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

Very nice looking car!

[LCK81403]

We may never know definitively what the Samoa car is.  The small door handle is not seen as clearly defined as the larger and more comparative features of a 1931 Plymouth and '31 DeSoto.  The Plymouth has a much more pronounced radiator shell than the Samoa car, and the hood louvers of the Plymouth extend more along the length of the hood than the Samoa car.  Perhaps I am not understand something in the imagery, but the Samoa car still looks way more DeSoto and Plymouth.

[nzcarnerd]

4 hours ago, LCK81403 said:

We may never know definitively what the Samoa car is.  The small door handle is not seen as clearly defined as the larger and more comparative features of a 1931 Plymouth and '31 DeSoto.  The Plymouth has a much more pronounced radiator shell than the Samoa car, and the hood louvers of the Plymouth extend more along the length of the hood than the Samoa car.  Perhaps I am not understand something in the imagery, but the Samoa car still looks way more DeSoto and Plymouth.

 

My reasons for suggesting 1931 Pontiac were - the suggestion of a slight vee in the radiator shell, the position of the hood louvres, and the dome hubcaps. I know it doesn't have the fender lamps. The position of the door handle means it is probably not a Pontiac though - 

[nzcarnerd]

A crop of a photo from ebay - an unnamed Minneapolis streetcar executive with his new car. My guess is from 1913 by the electric had lamps and gas sidelamps. Various details pick it out - particularly the small 'kick-up' of the body side behind the rear door. Make unknown.

 

 

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

Another one from ebay - posted with no information. The tie rod across the front suggests an early date. Perhaps when identified I should add it to the period race cars page.

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

Here is a mystery car from New Zealand. My first thought was that it was one of the larger models from the Standard Motor Company but on their models with horizontal louvres they are in groups of seven. This car has eight. I still think it is an English car but could be proven wrong.

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

They keep coming...This one was posted on an fb page just a few minutes ago.

 

The angled louvres are distinctive on a car as early as maybe 1914 - 

 

 

[keiser31]

20 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

A photo from Samoa - captioned 1920s but I think the coupe might be a 1931 Pontiac. Anyone got a better idea?

 

 

 

 

 

Anything identifiable among the other cars?

 

I'm going with 1931 DeVaux for the cabriolet. There are photos of real ones that look closer, but this is the only cabriolet I could find. The maroon car below has the wrong bumpers.

Edited December 1, 2021 by keiser31 (see edit history)

[nzcarnerd]

4 minutes ago, keiser31 said:

I'm going with 1931 DeVaux for the cabriolet.

 Looks good - everything seems to match - the tail lamp, the roof line, the landau bars, door handle position etc.

 

A rare car, it would be interesting to know how it got to Samoa. Hard to say from the original photo whether it is right or left hand drive.

[nzcarnerd]

13 minutes ago, keiser31 said:

I'm going with 1931 DeVaux for the cabriolet.

 

 

Edit - btw from a look at the De Vaux article in The Standard Catalog the model is a Custom Coupe, which suggests the top may not fold?? 

 

Much like my Studebaker - which the factory referred to as a cabriolet even though the top was fixed - 

 

I think whereas the Studebaker's roof is 'soft', the De Vaux coupe probably has a 'hard' roof though and the irons are for show.

 

 

 

 

[8E45E]

14 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said:

 

 

Edit - btw from a look at the De Vaux article in The Standard Catalog the model is a Custom Coupe, which suggests the top may not fold?? 

 

Much like my Studebaker - which the factory referred to as a cabriolet even though the top was fixed - 

 

I think whereas the Studebaker's roof is 'soft', the De Vaux coupe probably has a 'hard' roof though and the irons are for show.

 

It appears your rear window unzips and folds down in the Studebaker.  I wonder if the DeVaux has a fixed glass rear window.

 

Craig

[nzcarnerd]

10 minutes ago, 8E45E said:

It appears your rear window unzips and folds down in the Studebaker.  I wonder if the DeVaux has a fixed glass rear window.

 

Craig

In a word - yes. This photo is from when the car was for sale last year. It has a 'plastic' rear window although the original was glass with a steel frame. It came with the car and I have it here in my office - 

 

 

 

 

As an aside there was thread on a facebook page earlier this year by a guy restoring a similar era Rolls-Royce with a similar rear window. He fitted his with zips which I think are not correct for the period. I don't know whether those domes on mine are period correct.

 

EDIT - this photo is of the interior of the only other surviving GE cabriolet, restored in the US some years ago. It is probably more 'correct' than mine, which was done in the 1980s.

 

 

[keiser31]

I agree that the DeVaux top does not go down.

[hddennis]

1 hour ago, nzcarnerd said:

They keep coming...This one was posted on an fb page just a few minutes ago.

 

The angled louvres are distinctive on a car as early as maybe 1914 - 

 

 

I'm going to go with a 1915 Chevrolet Amesbury Special.

 

Howard Dennis

[nzcarnerd]

Another mystery photo from a facebook page - looks American circa 1916 - maybe?

 

 

[twin6]

[twin6]

[nzcarnerd]

An interesting narrative shared to a facebook page by Varun Coutinho. Originally posted on a family historical page. Credit for all of this goes to Varun, I am just passing it on.

 

"George H. Frost (born 1890-died 1953) sits at the wheel while his future wife Pearl Robinson sits beside him. In the back one of his brothers Burton Hunt or Ebenezer Theodore sits between two unidentified ladies. George is the son of William H. Frost who founded the Smiths Falls Malleable Iron Works. The car is a 'Pullman Touring Car' built by the York Motor Car Company, York Pennsylvania. The company's motto was 'not only the best at the price but best at any price' was a coy comparison to the quality and luxury of the famous Pullman Sleeping Train Cars (the two entities were not related). The cost of the car in 1910 was a whopping $2,000.00 ($125,000.00 in 2014 dollars) compared to the Model T Ford touring car at $500.00. They did not live up to their luxury claim as they were notorious for mechanical troubles and ceased operations in 1917 after only 12 years in business.
The second picture shows the car on the side of a road with a flat tire. George H. Frost is seen leaning against the vehicle while the other people are unknown. Both pictures are dated 1910 and provided by his granddaughter, Joanne Frost."

 

As an aside note how the 'top boot' - if that is the right term - on the first car is secured by a strap the rear of the frame, rather than to the body.

 

 

 

Unfortunately the original writer's identification of the cars is incorrect - doesn't that happen so often with amateur (or even professional) historical stuff?

 

The first car is actually a 1909 Pennsylvania Type C 50 hp (114" wheelbase) - 

 

 

And the second car is a circa 1907-08 Russell, built in Toronto, Canada -