wayne sheldon Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Robert G. Smits said: On the side of a building in Anacortes located on Fidalgo Island. What make is it? A very nice picture. It looks like it may be painted on a wall. The car is clearly a model T Ford with an after-market speedster/roadster body. I had a very similar car over thirty years ago and did quite a bit of research on those after-market bodies. There were more than fifty different companies that produced such bodies for the Ford and other cars. Several that built models very similar to this. This artwork is actually quite good. There are several details done well enough to pinpoint it as a model T, not simply a generic whatever. All, Please pardon a minor drift away from era images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Here should be a period image of a similar model T on the street with other regular cars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) How about a fancy one? This one is unusual. Wire wheels had been available since the earliest days of automobiles, and many cars had them. However, in the brass era, wire wheels on a model T are very rarely seen in era photographs. I am not entirely convinced this is an era photo? It looks right. But I am not certain about it. Edited July 15, 2020 by wayne sheldon Additional thought. (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 How did that Ford speedster sneak in there!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 This is very similar to the one I had, except mine had fenders and running boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Drifting away from speedsters, but still a "modified" Ford. How about a custom pickup? This one has been heavily discussed on model T forums in the past. Not sure when it was done, but very likely during the depression years. Nicely done, and well maintained. The fellow appears to be proud of it! FYI, it is/was a 1919 to 1923 coupe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert G. Smits Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 4 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: All, Please pardon a minor drift away from era images. Thanks Wayne. Yes this is painted on the side of a building. I assumed it was a aftermarket body although quite similar to the 19 Paige 6-66 Daytona speedster or the Kissel Model 45 Gold Bug Speedster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Friederich Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) Late 1910 White with British built torpedo style coachwork Edited July 15, 2020 by Casper Friederich (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, LCK81403 said: The unique looking rear of the 1910 Garford is interesting. In The Automobile, July 28, 1910, Volume XXIII, No. 4, pages 132-133, there is an article titled, "Study Depicting the Trend in Torpedo Body Designing." The article is in a Google book, URL https://books.google.com/books?id=p8sqAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA948&dq=kissel&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj767HY6efmAhXMGs0KHeqPApQQ6AEwBHoECAEQAw#v=onepage&q&f=false The gist of the information generally is about air currents from a moving automobile, and how to design features to lessen air drafts and road dust for rear seat passengers. Attached is a photo copy of the cover of magazine showing the construction of the body's rear, and with a windshield / windscreen in place. Streamlining was also incorporated in the cowl of the vehicle, whereby the oncoming air flow was to be lifted up and pass over the passengers, thus descending behind the rear seat passengers onto the torpedo section of the rear body. Presumably the down draft of air behind the torpedo body rear would prevent dust from by draft along with the car. No other information about this design has been found. The shape of the torpedo rear body seems to approximate the dihedral wing of an airplane. Logically one would expect the shape to actually create a low pressure area that causing drag and road dust to be attracted rather than repelled. On the previous page, page 325, there are some photos of a RR which also has a "bustle" type back, though nowhere near pronounced as the one above. One other thing about the RR is its lighting. Many candlepower both going and coming! Edited July 15, 2020 by Ozstatman (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Friederich Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Ozstatman said: One other thing about the RR is its lighting. Many candlepower both going and coming! Because it was ordered for tiger hunting in India the many lamps were needed. I admit although that it exeptional even for a Maharajah's car. Edited July 15, 2020 by Casper Friederich (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 11 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: How about a fancy one? This one is unusual. Wire wheels had been available since the earliest days of automobiles, and many cars had them. However, in the brass era, wire wheels on a model T are very rarely seen in era photographs. I am not entirely convinced this is an era photo? It looks right. But I am not certain about it. I believe wire wheels were common to Scipps-Booth cars: https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/forum/your-studebaker-forum/stove-huggers-the-non-studebaker-forum/58399-orphan-of-the-day-12-05-1915-scripps-booth-model-c-roadster?56983-Orphan-of-the-Day-12-05-1915-Scripps-Booth-Model-C-Roadster= Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 That odd-looking (and, to my eye, ugly) bustle-back was done on other cars, too. Right now, in the HCCA classifieds, is a little Hupmobile roadster for sale with a similar rear body treatment. https://hcca.org/classifieds.php?cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Bustle car (Leach) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, twin6 said: Bustle car (Leach) What do we think the survival rate of a Leach is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: What do we think the survival rate of a Leach is ? The same as John Blutarsky's GPA at Faber. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, alsancle said: The same as John Blutarsky's GPA at Faber. That is what I thought - not sure I have even heard of even one survivor. What is interesting is that one does not survive with some sort of other engine transplanted into it or such as a frame or ... (aka the powerplant had issues or the body construction had issues) - They were pretty high end coveted cars among the Hollywood set and a fair number (albeit still a dismal survival rates for anything) of various makes large 20's beasts have survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Double secret probation for you guys! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, twin6 said: Double secret probation for you guys! In my day, it was a VW Bug................on the steps of the High School. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 17 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: How did that Ford speedster sneak in there!? The Westminster Trust Building, 709 Columbia Street, New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada. Built in 1912 and on New Westminster's heritage list today. Externally, it is unchanged from this photo. Obviously also housed the offices of the British Blue Funnel Steamship Line which would have docked almost directly behind the photographer. Note that the car without its side curtains in place is right hand drive. Possible;y some of the others are as well. Brtitish Columbia drove on the left side of the road until 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Friederich Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 hours ago, John_Mereness said: That is what I thought - not sure I have even heard of even one survivor. What is interesting is that one does not survive with some sort of other engine transplanted into it or such as a frame or ... (aka the powerplant had issues or the body construction had issues) - They were pretty high end coveted cars among the Hollywood set and a fair number (albeit still a dismal survival rates for anything) of various makes large 20's beasts have survived. There seems to be a survivor:https://theoldmotor.com/?p=70254 Leach Biltwell Motor Co has been discussed on this Forum before:https://forums.aaca.org/topic/285005-what-is-it-20161109-1423/?tab=comments#comment-1539367 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John_Mereness Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, Casper Friederich said: There seems to be a survivor:https://theoldmotor.com/?p=70254 Leach Biltwell Motor Co has been discussed on this Forum before:https://forums.aaca.org/topic/285005-what-is-it-20161109-1423/?tab=comments#comment-1539367 Well, you learn something new everyday whether you want to or not. Low survivor-ship makes sence if is has a Miller SOHC engine - not that anything is wrong with a Miller, but a local shop by the name of Zakira's Garage (Cincinnati, OH) specializes in Miller's (the former owner had the bulk of the plans, factory photos, engine/frame casting molds, and ... - and my opinion is that the engines are strong as a unit and anytime they are compromised then it is a recipe for other disaster matched to deteriorating aluminum. I view Miller's work very much as like an Italian build - they pulled all the extra weight out so that it was just barely capable of doing what it was supposed too. And god help anyone working on the stuff - must have been like 1800s people working on a Space Shuttle (same goes for such as RR products pre-war and ....). I suspect when the engines were put in a heavy chassis they had an especially short life span. Still, I wonder why a couple more engine transplant cars have not survived. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/we-all-love-a-dare-pix-of-truly-extinct-makes.397594/page-195 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Friederich Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: Cute little Dodge with coachbuilt body! I almost posted in this thread a little earlier Maxwell towncar. Not as stylish as this Stratton-Bliss Dodge, but more interesting than Ford Model T town car or landaulette. Edited July 15, 2020 by Casper Friederich (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 17 hours ago, edinmass said: In my day, it was a VW Bug................on the steps of the High School. When I was at high school in the mid 1960s one of our teachers had a Fiat Bambina. A group of students managed to put it on the roof of the bike shed. Photo for reference only - I think Bambina was an NZ-only name for these - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 Here are a Ford model A, and a Willys . These were taken in the Mineola and Garden City , long island NY area by a photographer named Drennan. The Willys was a fairly new car when the accident happened. note all the accessory bumper guards on the front didn't help at all with the side impact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 There is at least one Leach survivor. About two months ago I watched a YouTube video showing access to a huge storage of old cars; a "special access" type of gee whiz video. Can't recall where it was, but it was in the U.S. A Leach car was shown. Attached are two 1922 Leach models shown in the Clymer Scrapbook Number 6. The coupe, or convertible coupe model sported some features of the Kissel Gold Bug and Daniels D-19. If that was the Leach intent then the effort failed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The 1907 Alldays and Onions. There is just "something" about that name. 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Friederich Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 1917 Nelson Sedan body to go with the advanced technology underneath it. Emil A. Nelson designed a couple of years earlier the more well known Hupmobile Models 20 and 32. Again link to the very informative Old Motor site:https://theoldmotor.com/?p=129887 Edited July 16, 2020 by Casper Friederich (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAU Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 14 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: When I was at high school in the mid 1960s one of our teachers had a Fiat Bambina. A group of students managed to pout it on the roof of the bike shed. Photo for reference only - I think Bambina was an NZ-only name for these - A friend of my Mothers had one of these in the 60's. She referred to it as her Transistorized Belair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 8 hours ago, LCK81403 said: The 1907 Alldays and Onions. There is just "something" about that name. 😊 A very old company that could trace it's origins back to the 1600s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John_Mereness Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Minerva (posted earlier, though the tire in sidemount is interesting choice) Edited July 16, 2020 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Delahaye Coupé photograph by ROGER VIOLLET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 In 1948 my father was working on a car while it was on a compressed air hoist, similar to the one in the photo. The compressed air tank exploded and blew my dad out of his shoes and slammed him against a wall. He was in hospital a good long while. It was a distressing time for the entire family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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