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24 minutes ago, John348 said:

And neither is the Tesla

But that wasn't the point.

 

32 minutes ago, WQ59B said:

I just find it interesting that people who seemingly have no where to be at 9:30 in the AM, have spent anywhere from $85K-120K on a vehicle, who obviously can afford a home charger & it's installation... make a point of sitting for an hour in a parking lot merely to top off with like $3 of free electric. It's a bit of a head-scratcher.

 

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Benefits of AACA Membership.

The more money a business owner spends on a vehicle, the more they can deduct.

 

 

 

deductions are vastly over rated. Ild rather keep the cash in my pocket.

 

 

Uncle Sam changes the programs yearly besides..........................

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11 hours ago, WQ59B said:

Yep.
Average new car transaction price is around $34K.
Model S starts at $81K, Model X at $86K.

 

The point was/is is that the Tesla is not an average price car car, it is priced at the luxury level market. Your the one who compared it to the average car price, which will be a skewed number in this case. You might as well compare a Jaguar to the average car price, Two different markets and buyers. A majority of the people who purchase or lease a Tesla (or any high level vehicle for that matter) only own it for a few years (2-3) They buy those cars because they like it and they can afford to. Cars in the low 30's the price drives the car sale 

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Obviously I'm aware of the Tesla MSRPs; I posted them.
I was not comparing Tesla transaction prices to mainstream prices. To the contrary, I was illustrating how people spending a 'couple times over average' new car price seemingly still 'need' to charge for free.

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I was illustrating how people spending a 'couple times over average' new car price seemingly still 'need' to charge for free.

 

think its more of a  "hey look at me"

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11 hours ago, WQ59B said:

Yep.
But a diesel dually isn't the average new vehicle- price-wise, is it?

I just find it interesting that people who seemingly have no where to be at 9:30 in the AM, have spent anywhere from $85K-120K on a vehicle, who obviously can afford a home charger & it's installation... make a point of sitting for an hour in a parking lot merely to top off with like $3 of free electric. It's a bit of a head-scratcher.

 

As mentioned, its because those people just want to be seen.  It's an odd mental dynamic that the free market seems to cultivate. 

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Bizarre mindset; where an hour spent at the edge of a parking lot only populated by the same brand strokes one’s ego.

So I guess these 9AM chargers are purposefully not plugging at home just so they can orchestrate this?

Bizarre.

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One could say it's no different than us old car guys congregating,  except usually the cars are all different and we a converging to appreciate the difference in them as well as learn about the differences and not compare how all of them are the exactly the same except color. 

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17 hours ago, auburnseeker said:

 If you want to help save the planet stop driving any car and buy a bicycle.   Then they would really be doing their part. 

 

Tried finding a pic of AOC riding a bike just for giggles... yeah,,,  not happening. All I could find was her riding in gas vehicles twice the size of any vehicle most of us own.

 

Maybe we can get her on one of these though? Just a thought

 

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No statistics here, but in Michigan most of the Tesla's I see are Model S - the expensive sedan.  In California the Model 3, which starts around $34k, are often seen.

I suspect that has to do with several regional differences, but certainly the much higher fuel prices in California help

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Sure is hard to believe anybody would be interested in looking at a bunch of cars that are all basically the same.

 

 

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One could say it's no different than us old car guys congregating,  except usually the cars are all different and we a converging to appreciate the difference in them as well as learn about the differences and not compare how all of them are the exactly the same except color. 

 

 

 

I hear musk is starting something called "cars and coffee" for tesla owners.................................

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2 hours ago, mercer09 said:

I was illustrating how people spending a 'couple times over average' new car price seemingly still 'need' to charge for free.

 

think its more of a  "hey look at me"

 

2 hours ago, 39BuickEight said:

 

As mentioned, its because those people just want to be seen.  It's an odd mental dynamic that the free market seems to cultivate. 

 

That has been pretty the case with automobiles since the mid-20's. Henry Ford had a real tough time accepting that consumers wanted more then just basic transportation, and Ford Motor Company suffered for that in the mid to late 20's. 

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I hesitate to weigh in here, but I will add one thing. The inductive charging for a moving vehicle that was mentioned above is going to be extremely lossy due to the laws of physics. You're going to have ohmic, reactive, and coupling losses all simultaneously. I've seen videos of small models on tracks but it doesn't scale up. It could be done, of course, but you would be negating all of your increased efficiency by using electric over IC. I looked into this a couple of years ago on a project I was advising on. For a moving vehicle, the only thing that would work well would be some kind of third rail arrangement with a direct pickup.

 

Cheers, Dave

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6 minutes ago, Daves1940Buick56S said:

I hesitate to weigh in here, but I will add one thing. The inductive charging for a moving vehicle that was mentioned above is going to be extremely lossy due to the laws of physics. You're going to have ohmic, reactive, and coupling losses all simultaneously. I've seen videos of small models on tracks but it doesn't scale up. It could be done, of course, but you would be negating all of your increased efficiency by using electric over IC. I looked into this a couple of years ago on a project I was advising on. For a moving vehicle, the only thing that would work well would be some kind of third rail arrangement with a direct pickup.

 

Cheers, Dave

 

Seems I remember a whole bus line running off of over head wires in Seattle, I recall as a kid that once in awhile one of the followers would fall off of the cable and the driver would get out with a pole and hook it back up.

I tend to avoid any down towns any more, especially one as big as Seattle, but those busses may still be in use.

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The Tesla and Rivian pick-ups are really SUV's with short (6'-6.5') beds, designed more as people carriers. In fact, most pick-ups seem to be used this way. 

I look forward to the Electric F150, scheduled for release in 2021. I probably won't be able to afford it, however.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Daves1940Buick56S said:

some kind of third rail arrangement with a direct pickup.

 

That would be a game changer, and make me want an electric. Don't think it is possible though. I was thinking a groove cut in the middle of the lane with a high voltage wire in it. Very dangerous, impractical, etc, though.

 

 

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1 hour ago, JACK M said:

 

Seems I remember a whole bus line running off of over head wires in Seattle, I recall as a kid that once in awhile one of the followers would fall off of the cable and the driver would get out with a pole and hook it back up.

I tend to avoid any down towns any more, especially one as big as Seattle, but those busses may still be in use.

 

Can't say about Seattle, but they are still running electric trolley busses in San Francisco: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybuses_in_San_Francisco

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3 hours ago, TerryB said:

Sure is hard to believe anybody would be interested in looking at a bunch of cars that are all basically the same.

Do people commonly see Model A's in traffic, next to them in a parking lot, or anywhere in a given day?

A -say- Model A meet would encompass numerous different years with different specs, numerous different body styles, stock, survivor, restored &/or modified cars, plus the aforementioned rarity in everyday life. Tho they hold very little interest for me personally, there's plenty to see/learn. Plus most owners work on their cars, so there's a myriad of discussions on technique, progress, parts location, vendors/restoration references, etc.

Teslas are all over the place, I see one every 15 mins out on the road. They're totally commonplace and they're all the same (model-to-model), all serviced by the company/never worked on by the owner. There's no restoration and most owners have little idea how they work. A pointed gathering of Teslas, where there are only 8 years of only 3 body types would be as interesting as watching paint dry.

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"I picked midnight as that is when the "super off peak" " Not in a Florida summer when the low temp is above moat AC settings & humidity is above the dew point.

 

BTW I remember going to a Grand National gathering at Dennis Kirban's and thinking I'd turning into a government parking lot.

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4 hours ago, bryankazmer said:

No statistics here, but in Michigan most of the Tesla's I see are Model S - the expensive sedan.  In California the Model 3, which starts around $34k, are often seen.

I suspect that has to do with several regional differences, but certainly the much higher fuel prices in California help

 

There was post on FB a few days ago that the Model 3 is the 3rd best selling car in California, behind two Japanese manufacturer models.

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Like it or not we are being encouraged to drive electric. Just back from squeezing my 15mpg Tahoe into a $7 per hour parking ramp. If I'd had an RV thick extension cord to a dummy plug in the fender, I could have used the free on street electric vehicle parking next to the on street charging stations.

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4 hours ago, mercer09 said:
 

One could say it's no different than us old car guys congregating,  except usually the cars are all different and we a converging to appreciate the difference in them as well as learn about the differences and not compare how all of them are the exactly the same except color. 

 

I hear musk is starting something called "cars and coffee" for tesla owners.................................

 

There is a "cars and coffee" gathering at the local mall/shopping center in my town. They get several hundred cars showing up each Saturday morning. I attended once and found that there were a handful of original or restored to original older cars, maybe 6 or 8 including mine. Only two of those, including mine, were pre-WW2. There were a fair number of modifieds. But the biggest group seemed to be late model expensive and/or performance cars. The point for for the spectators and most people showing cars seemed to be who wrote the biggest check at the dealer recently. So basically lots of cars but none of interest to me or, I assume, many on this forum which is dedicated to original or restored to original vehicles.

 

In my mind there is not much difference between owners of late model Corvettes, Mustangs, Ferraris, etc. getting together and owners of Teslas. Some may have slightly customized their cars with aftermarket appearance or performance parts but to me they are  all "exactly the same except color." By all appearances, there are more people interested in those than in cars from 1900 through 1970. So we are a minority.

 

31 minutes ago, Digger914 said:

Like it or not we are being encouraged to drive electric. Just back from squeezing my 15mpg Tahoe into a $7 per hour parking ramp. If I'd had an RV thick extension cord to a dummy plug in the fender, I could have used the free on street electric vehicle parking next to the on street charging stations.

 

Yikes! For a daily driver I want something that sips gas, is reasonably comfortable and, of course, reliable. My 2004 car averaged just under 45 MPG in the 201,000 miles I drove it. I'd still be driving it if it hadn't been totaled. My new car is averaging about 83 MPG so far at 25,000 miles. Though I see lots of them everyday, I can't imagine having a daily driver that got such lousy mileage and is hard to park because of its size. Yes, my '33 gets between 14 and 18 MPG depending on how it is driven, but that is basically a toy for when I feel like puttering around some back roads. Not something for going to work and doing errands in (though I do some errands in it when it isn't raining and the mood strikes me).

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2 hours ago, mike6024 said:

 

That would be a game changer, and make me want an electric. Don't think it is possible though. I was thinking a groove cut in the middle of the lane with a high voltage wire in it. Very dangerous, impractical, etc, though.

 

 

Would cut down on the J walkers though. 

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I want to comment on a couple of the most recent posts.

 

1.  I, too, would like a gas-sipper (or electric) car for my daily driver.  But I play with brass cars, which I haul in a 24-foot box trailer to (mostly) HCCA tours.  I can't do that with a Miata or an electric.  I have a VW diesel Touareg that gets about 25 mpg in normal driving (about half my annual mileage) and 12  when dragging a trailer (the other half).  It would be a LOT more expensive to have a second daily driver to use when I wasn't hauling a trailer, than just to put up with 25 mpg instead of 50 or 60 in daily driving.

 

2.  I also go to cars-and-coffee events, but I drive (I don't trailer) a brass car.  I get very little chance to see the other cars - and, in truth, there aren't many I want to spend time looking at - because I'm mobbed with people, both casual spectators and the other car guys, wanting to know how my car works.  I'm forever cranking, or pulling off some part, or pointing out the primitive but effective ways people did things 100+ years ago.  Last Saturday I let a couple of guys crank my one-lung Cadillac, and they were enthralled.  My favorite question, from non-car-guy spectators:  "Does that car really run?"  My reply:  "I sure hope so, 'cause it's too heavy to carry and too far to push!"

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