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3 hours ago, mercer09 said:

 

. . . If you read the story on Owens Corning, it is absolutely remarkable at how agile they were at changing to meet the needs of the public in their 150 yr or so yrs in  business. always flexible and agile and able to stay on top.............

 

not so sure what they are doing these days? maybe making glass for Tesla.............

 

I am sure Owens Corning has a huge array of products but one that comes to mind for me is the "gorilla glass" used in cellphones.

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Without getting too far off topic, Corning Glass was a prime supplier to RCA, then the combined Owens-Corning and eventually Japan and Korean companies.  RCA also made their own glass in Circleville OH.

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Image result for owens corning corelle dinnerware

 

Owens-Corning makes Corelle Dinnerware.. Good stuff, get some.

 

 

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Musk sure saved a lot of money on body forming dies with this one :).. That thing could be built with a press brake and a pop rivet gun. The armored glass is for the pedestrians throwing things at it. Musk is the modern equivalent of PT Barnum, I'll bet he snickers every time he makes some brash claim and a bunch of people agree with him.

 

-Ron

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3 hours ago, John348 said:

How come it is taboo to talk about "NEW" cars on this site unless it is about Tesla's? 

 

Speaking purely for myself, it's because new vehicles have become irrelevant to my life. My transport needs are met with a very cheap ,basic, offshore car. If I need a new car within the next 5 years or so I will just buy a used, very low mileage example of what I already own, and expect an easy further 10 years of use out of it. By then I will be 70+ and may not even need a car.  They sold tens of thousands of them and even very clean low mileage examples are extremely cheap these days.

New cars that I consider interesting have two glaring faults , cost, and local traffic law enforcement. It is my personal mental image of the lowest level of hades to have a modern high performance car and be facing roadside seizure every time I use even 2/3 of it's performance potential. As I mentioned earlier, 7600 instant seizure's and counting locally this year. These guy's mean business.

So a very cheap everyday transport box and a track use , cheap as I could find in 3 years of looking ,late 1970's Lola. Plus an old Ford F150 hand me down from my late father for when I need to pull a trailer. And a few vintage car projects to keep me busy. 

The only reason I comment on electrics is the glaring annoyance of the Govt. picking my tax payers pocket to give hefty incentives on otherwise very expensive electric cars. The average subsidising the wealthy as far as I am concerned. 

Retired so if the description does not start with " cheap " I am out.

 

Greg in Canada

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Might mention one old car that was royally panned when new but would fit in quite well today

2002-05_Pontiac_Aztek.jpg

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, auburnseeker said:

That would be one way for him to prove it to the skeptics. 

Baja 1000, sounds like a two battery event. Bob 

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25 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

Baja 1000, sounds like a two battery event. Bob 

Or just strap a diesel generator in the back and keep going. ;) 

Then you would be able to spot it easy with the big black cloud above it. 

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Or just needs to be paced by a directed energy support vehicle.

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Tesla stock was $240 in September and now it is $340. The truck provided much of that boost.

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Hard to believe the truck could provide that kind of boost,  especially since the on camera fail of the glass unless it just brought his name to the top of investors interest.   Was the jump in the stock in the last week or has it been climbing all along?

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Yeah- it wasn't the truck. Dow is up just about 2,000 points since Sept 3rd. Tesla rode the wave like most other stocks.

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3 hours ago, auburnseeker said:

Hard to believe the truck could provide that kind of boost,  especially since the on camera fail of the glass unless it just brought his name to the top of investors interest.   Was the jump in the stock in the last week or haw it been climbing all along. 

 

I read over the weekend in the NY Post that they took over 100,000 orders for it

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30 minutes ago, John348 said:

 

I read over the weekend in the NY Post that they took over 100,000 orders for it

More than 140,000.  It’s a $100 deposit that is refundable if you change your mind.  That is a whole bunch of money to use interest free.

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Some people credit some stock movement due to anticipation of the truck and the pre-orders. And some not so much. So it's a matter of opinion I suppose.

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Regardless of it's design curiousity, and the inherent problems with range and whatnot, if it was just $100 I'd buy one too. At that price you could have multiples and recharge one while driving the other. 

 

Personally, I love most every car, old or new. I realize this is a forum based on cars' ages, but every car will qualify eventually. I prefer to gain knowledge when I can, however I can, not wait until an arbitrary time period had elapsed. This is a newly adopted philosophy but it seems to fit me quite well.

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I thought side windows were supposed to use tempered glass so they would shatter, but the Tesla truck appears to use safety glass.

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2 hours ago, Billy Kingsley said:

Regardless of it's design curiousity, and the inherent problems with range and whatnot, if it was just $100 I'd buy one too. At that price you could have multiples and recharge one while driving the other. 

 

Personally, I love most every car, old or new. I realize this is a forum based on cars' ages, but every car will qualify eventually. I prefer to gain knowledge when I can, however I can, not wait until an arbitrary time period had elapsed. This is a newly adopted philosophy but it seems to fit me quite well.

 

Very well said Billy!

 

1 hour ago, MochetVelo said:

I thought side windows were supposed to use tempered glass so they would shatter, but the Tesla truck appears to use safety glass.

 

There is a minimum AS rating for glass, I am sure it will be DOT compliant to be on the road

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2 hours ago, Billy Kingsley said:

I realize this is a forum based on cars' ages, but every car will qualify eventually.

 

Even if the acceptable age is written in the bylaws it's gonna be hard for some to choke down. I think it's a form of arrogance.

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The contractor I worked for before I retired exclusively worked in Manhattan, if these "trucks" had more space for material he would have ordered at least 10, for all I know he might have. Anyone ever try to find a gas station in Manhattan? but there are plenty of charging stations. He had employed 5- 2 man crews installing charging areas in older parking garages, hotels and apartment houses with parking for the past few years. We were not the only contractor doing this work all over NYC 

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On 11/23/2019 at 2:34 PM, WQ59B said:

This is easily the ugliest abomination since the '56 Sir Vival or the '58 Aurora.

 

 Although I agree the one released was hideous, at least the artist rendition (below) had some attractive lines and would seem more marketable to most consumers in todays market. After all, when you put it up against other performers in it's class, it does appear to be encouraging, but how much of that is conflation... 

Will they make a move towards the artist's work eventually ? Only time will tell...

 

Still (even if it was attractive), other factors are driving our opinions and as Rusty and others have stated.. the circus act and the fact taxpayers subsidized it are what turns most of us off. We can all agree to disagree but a publicity stunt that fails this horribly will always be a memory that we as consumers will base part of our decision on (and yes the ugliness was part of the unveiling). 

 

The one question that the pioneers answered that Musk in his ideology hasn't is:
Is there a need...?

 

All climate and political discussions aside, the obvious answer is no. At least not a need for it as there was in the turn of the century to improve everyone's lives, saved money and time. It's simply a personal decision at this point in history to own gas or electric and in most cases with valid arguments for both sides. 

 

An equal playing field for subsidizes would be nice though....(one can dream).

 

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Side windows can be tempered (the usual) or laminated glass.  Laminated is used in a few instances as enhanced break-in protection.  

 

The Automotive side of Owens-Corning was the "O" in LOF glass - Libby-Owens-Ford.  The company became part of British Pilkington (the suppliers of "Triplex" laminated glass), which is in turn now part of Nippon Sheet Glass

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Padgett makes a good point about the Pontiac Aztek. The problem is that the Tesla vehicle isn't just ugly...it's the kind of ugly that I could've come up with when I was 8 years old. It reminds me of the Pinewood Derby car (back in Cub Scouts) where you felt really sorry for the kid who made it, because he obviously couldn't find an adult male to help him with the project. I guess I feel bad that Elon Musk couldn't find an adult male to help him build that truck. 

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