edinmass Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Grimy said: No. It would take an hour or two with some records to get some possibilities. Heidi or Billy might very well know. That’s about fifteen or twenty years ahead of their time........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, edinmass said: That’s about fifteen or twenty years ahead of their time........... The car may still have been around in their time, Ed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 How about a better look at those faded color images. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Grimy said: The car may still have been around in their time, Ed.... Yes, but they would have been in diapers! September of 69.........were you still in the Army? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, edinmass said: Yes, but they would have been in diapers! September of 69.........were you still in the Army? Yes, they'd have been in diapers and I was still in the Army, transferred that month from DC to Fort Holabird in Baltimore (strategically located between an aromatic yeast plant and a toilet factory)--and I was still below 30. But Heidi was going to car shows and tours as a toddler and was interested in Pierces from the start. The 1969 vintage photo was a moment in time--and I'm not considering who had it at that very moment, but I'll bet her father Eric had laid hands on every Pierce in SoCal at some time or other. Who else is above ground in SoCal region who might know? Edited February 24, 2020 by Grimy added a descriptor (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Ralph M or Eric would have known the cars, and I’m sure Eric would have worked on most of them in the area. The earlier car looks like it might be at Eric’s shop...........from memory the building was a similar color and construction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Ed, just sending you a pm re wire wheel covers. I found 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobalt1959 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 12/10/2018 at 9:01 AM, West Peterson said: You'll never see this one again, either. I know this is an old thread, and I know I hardly ever post here because I don't have a classic car, and perhaps no one can divulge the information, but did Sakhnoffsky's Hayes coupe go out-of country too, or did it just disappear in one of those collections where no one sees the cars for decades until the owner dies? I know the Weymann coupe went to Morocco and can't come back, but the Haye's coupe is, in my opinion, the best-looking l-29 Cord ever built. I am one of the odd men out that always thinks closed cars look better than open ones, especially a well-done coupe . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 West might know. It sold for Big money at auction maybe 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 This picture cost me over 100 bucks at an auction in Germany and I'm sharing it with you guys. The Franay Duesenberg would be my first lost choice, but this would be #2. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Still existed in the 50s but has gone MIA since. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, alsancle said: Still existed in the 50s but has gone MIA since. It's only MIA if you don't know where to look.........you can ask, but I'm not talking! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 9 hours ago, cobalt1959 said: I know this is an old thread, and I know I hardly ever post here because I don't have a classic car, and perhaps no one can divulge the information, but did Sakhnoffsky's Hayes coupe go out-of country too, or did it just disappear in one of those collections where no one sees the cars for decades until the owner dies? I know the Weymann coupe went to Morocco and can't come back, but the Haye's coupe is, in my opinion, the best-looking l-29 Cord ever built. I am one of the odd men out that always thinks closed cars look better than open ones, especially a well-done coupe . . . Out of the country. Lots of speculation. Some said middle east, some said as close as Mexico. However, when I heard NEVER to be seen again on these shores, that would make me believe it's now in a country where historic artifacts are not allowed to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobalt1959 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, West Peterson said: Out of the country. Lots of speculation. Some said middle east, some said as close as Mexico. However, when I heard NEVER to be seen again on these shores, that would make me believe it's now in a country where historic artifacts are not allowed to leave. Like the Weymann in Morocco. Has anyone ever seen the Weymann car in Morocco since it went there? Or the 2 cars that were lost in Algeria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 20 hours ago, West Peterson said: Out of the country. Lots of speculation. Some said middle east, some said as close as Mexico. However, when I heard NEVER to be seen again on these shores, that would make me believe it's now in a country where historic artifacts are not allowed to leave. The 1910 Brooke 'Swan Car' was smuggled out of India a number of years ago, and is now in the Louwman Museum in Holland. The August, 1976 issue of Motor Trend magazine had an interesting article entitled "The Case of the Lost Albanita and Other Cars That Have Mysteriously Disappeared", which included a couple of Duesenbergs hidden away in NYC, and some speculation on a few of the GM Motorama showcars still that were hidden away and still waiting to be discovered. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 GM was famous in the 50's and 60's for changing last year's show car into this year's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 13 hours ago, 8E45E said: The 1910 Brooke 'Swan Car' was smuggled out of India a number of years ago, and is now in the Louwman Museum in Holland. The August, 1976 issue of Motor Trend magazine had an interesting article entitled "The Case of the Lost Albanita and Other Cars That Have Mysteriously Disappeared", which included a couple of Duesenbergs hidden away in NYC, and some speculation on a few of the GM Motorama showcars still that were hidden away and still waiting to be discovered. Craig If there is any justice in the world......they will smuggle the swan car back to New Deli. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, edinmass said: If there is any justice in the world......they will smuggle the swan car back to New Deli. Holland has never declared it a 'national treasure', so there's no reason to have to smuggle it out of that country should the Louwman Museum ever decide to sell it. On the other hand, when the Schlump brothers defaulted on their taxes, France made their collection a 'national treasure', and never auctioned them off to recoup their back-taxes. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I was implying it’s a national embarrassment that someone snuck it into Holland. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1929 Cord L-29 Hayes... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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padgett Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Wasn't the Swan Car at Pebble this century ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 hours ago, padgett said: Wasn't the Swan Car at Pebble this century ? Yes....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 This is such a great thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 minute ago, alsancle said: This is such a great thread. Agreed..........here is a long lost car, that I chased down to a dead end. Published an article on it, and AJ's dad remembered a story told to him in the 50's. He put two and two together ..........and the dug it out of a barn after 50 years...........so, I can take ten percent credit for finding it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 minute ago, edinmass said: Agreed..........here is a long lost car, that I chased down to a dead end. Published an article on it, and AJ's dad remembered a story told to him in the 50's. He put two and two together ..........and the dug it out of a barn after 50 years...........so, I can take ten percent credit for finding it. Ed, it is not like you to be nosing in on credit. Hehehe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, alsancle said: Ed, it is not like you to be nosing in on credit. Hehehe. I can't tell about some of the other great cars I have been involved in ..........this one is in the public view. This is the best one overall.........I get to drive it and you get to pay for it. 🤣 Hehehe. Edited February 11, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Voted the most beautiful car of all time.... Wonder where they got their inspiration... 2.4 million in 2012 https://newatlas.com/the-worlds-best-known-cord-goes-under-the-hammer/21792/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I'm sure I posted this already? Lebaron bodied Lincoln that has not been seen in 60 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 This is the same color scheme my '31 Pierce phaeton had from new, khaki fenders and accents with dark green body. The late Fred Tycher, who was somewhat of an authority on Pierce Arrows, looked at my car (when it was still this color scheme) and stated that "it was very Pierce-like, slightly subdued and not too flashy". I'm just not a green car guy and never really liked the color. Knowing the car was going to stay with me a long time (I bought it in 1985, after meeting it in 1966), I didn't hesitate to change color after an engine fire necessitated some re-restoration. Fun thread to read...it's a big country and cars are still coming out of the woodwork, so to speak... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937McBuick Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I can't even afford to "look" at this thread. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/13/2021 at 9:53 PM, Graham Man said: Voted the most beautiful car of all time.... Wonder where they got their inspiration... 2.4 million in 2012 https://newatlas.com/the-worlds-best-known-cord-goes-under-the-hammer/21792/ There are some similarities in looks, but I doubt Hermann Ahrens was stealing from Alexis de Sakhnoffsky but who knows. The set back radiator, swooping fenders and low windshield were all MB staples even before the Hayes coupe was built. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Spotted this today on PreWarCar.com and most likely of some relation given name and geography. My guess is 1930 LaSalle despite 1931 style hood doors. A neatly dressed gentleman and his stylish PreWarCar, which we believe to be American. We received this photograph from Mr van den Assem. He has already done some research on the picture and made things a little easier for us. We now know that the registration number P 26973 was issued in March 1936 to a Mr Johannes Baptista Ludovicus Cornelis Marinus, who was also known as Jan. At the time he lived in the Raashuisstraat 1 in Heerlen, the Netherlands. He worked for an oil company and was well-off. In August 1936, Jan Marinus left for the Dutch East Indies but unfortunately passed away in a Japanese internment camp on Bangka Island in July 1944. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 hours ago, John_Mereness said: Spotted this today on PreWarCar.com and most likely of some relation given name and geography. My guess is 1930 LaSalle despite 1931 style hood doors. A neatly dressed gentleman and his stylish PreWarCar, which we believe to be American. We received this photograph from Mr van den Assem. He has already done some research on the picture and made things a little easier for us. We now know that the registration number P 26973 was issued in March 1936 to a Mr Johannes Baptista Ludovicus Cornelis Marinus, who was also known as Jan. At the time he lived in the Raashuisstraat 1 in Heerlen, the Netherlands. He worked for an oil company and was well-off. In August 1936, Jan Marinus left for the Dutch East Indies but unfortunately passed away in a Japanese internment camp on Bangka Island in July 1944. That last sentence is depressing. In the photo we have a successful business person sitting on his custom car, less than 10 years later he will die in a hell hole half way around the world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, alsancle said: That last sentence is depressing. In the photo we have a successful business person sitting on his custom car, less than 10 years later he will die in a hell hole half way around the world. It's why the auto license plates of the day said.......... Remember Pearl Harbor.......... My uncle Al is 96 and blind now. He was there, and still goes to schools to teach the children about the real history of this country. You should hear him comment on the Bataan Death March. He doesn't have much use for the people who put him through all of that.......and justifiably so. He is one TOUGH SOB. Even to this day. Back in the 70's when he went back to Pearl they asked him if he wanted to meet some of the soldiers from the other side.........and he answered ........Only if I can do to them what they did to us............but in more coarse language. With his family, he is the kindest and most gentle soul I have ever met. The contrast of the warrior and family man has always impressed me. After you have been through all of that, you don't take any sxxt from anyone. Edited February 16, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 11 hours ago, edinmass said: It's why the auto license plates of the day said.......... Remember Pearl Harbor.......... My uncle Al is 96 and blind now. He was there, and still goes to schools to teach the children about the real history of this country. You should hear him comment on the Bataan Death March. He doesn't have much use for the people who put him through all of that.......and justifiably so. He is one TOUGH SOB. Even to this day. Back in the 70's when he went back to Pearl they asked him if he wanted to meet some of the soldiers from the other side.........and he answered ........Only if I can do to them what they did to us............but in more coarse language. With his family, he is the kindest and most gentle soul I have ever met. The contrast of the warrior and family man has always impressed me. After you have been through all of that, you don't take any sxxt from anyone. I handled business matters for a law firm that was 50% business related and 50% immigration (with crossover of clientele both directions) and the atrociousness that still occur on globe on a daily basis are staggering and often near unimaginable. Max Hofferbert, the relative I often mention that owned my RRPI prior to me was half blown up in a tank in Germany (he spent a year in a hospital and then spent another year living with my great-grandparents and then another with my grandparents after that - it took a village for his recovery and he lived in pain every day - he had a vocabulary that would make a sailor blush and was equally pleased to talk with you or tell you off and if too out of line was happy to deck you too) - he spoke of what they found there upon arrival and said they had all had heard, but until you see it first hand you really cannot in your wildest dreams imagine. He did excavation for my great-grandparents and whoever else needed and then restored a car a year over the winter. I guess when you have seen the worst of the worst in people .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) Sidenote: Dad and I looked at a Delage and I had a french archivist friend research - conclusion was that car had been owned by a rather famous Jewish family that met their deaths and .... On the flipside of the coin, advised another attorney on some legal work regarding Hermann Goering's Mercedes - it was just creepy with all its badges and .... Edited February 17, 2021 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Found this one by accident: Looks to be a stock-bodied 1931 Buick 96C convertible coupe with modifications done to the top and windshield. Kind of proves how beautiful American cars were originally designed, and with minor alterations can look completely custom. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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