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What are some of the great "missing" Classics, prewar American?

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Was just sitting around thinking that there are occasionally some very fine "lost" Full Classics that are being found.  A Pierce coupe show car, for example, that had fallen off the radar for years.

 

What are some of the missing Full Classics that might still be out there?  I'm thinking pre-World War 2, and American Classics.  Any thoughts on missing ones?  

 

In addition, I'm talking rare or one-offs, not along the lines of "there might be another '34 Packard sedan out there"......

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There are two types of “missing” cars......ones that a few people know where they are, and are slowly working on being the first guy in the door when the time comes, and the true missing car that no one knows it’s current whereabouts. I found that missing 32 Pierce 12 LeBaron coupe after hunting for it for more than ten years, it truly was “lost to time” except for the owner and myself. Couldn’t make a deal on it, and the owner never called me back or left my info for his family...........it was a personality issue.......his or mine? I’m not sure. Here is one I worked on and off for more than twenty five years before I landed it. The 1932 New York Auto Show car, the “first” Pierce 12 Sport Pheaton......it was out of the public eye since 1951, some knew where it was, but no one had ever seen it except family members. I kept working the car.........and i landed it. Body number one. It’s the only true Pierce  twelve pheaton in existence. 

 

I could tell tell you what I am chasing now, but then I would have to kill you........🤫

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One of the greatest lost classics is the franay bodied model J with the 3 wipers. I’ll find a picture when I’m off my phone.

 

another is the DuPont LeMans car which was photographed in a junkyard in the late 30s.

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Problem is there are some that I can’t mention because we are still looking for them! Also, it’s common for cars to go underground down a deep hole, not to be seen again. Sadly, many great American cars are now no longer residing in the US. As the major cars prices start approaching the numbers of the great types of art, we will see more of them falling of the face of the earth for years at a time. And for the rates auction houses are now getting, there will be lots more private treaty sales that never see the light of day. 

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5 minutes ago, alsancle said:

One of the greatest lost classics is the franay bodied model J with the 3 wipers. I’ll find a picture when I’m off my phone.

 

another is the DuPont LeMans car which was photographed in a junkyard in the late 30s.

 

And then there was the “Duesenberg” I was running down back in the mid 90’s, and got beat out by Big Al.

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I don't know if "missing" is the proper term for this 1932 Cadillac V16 roadster I stumbled across years ago. It was in a garage for years in LaJolla, California. Looked all original to me. I wonder where it is now....

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29 minutes ago, edinmass said:

 

And then there was the “Duesenberg” I was running down back in the mid 90’s, and got beat out by Big Al.

 

Tough when you get beat in a race by a 90 year old guy.

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A rebody listed on Craigslist, never a reply. I wanted it and still interested.

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I currently have three cars that I won't even mention to their owners.

 

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The missing Cadillac is alive and well, and I don’t want to spill the beans on its current situation or whereabouts, but you will be seeing it soon...........I can’t wait to see what it looks like..........I think it was a medium blue when new, but am not positive. It’s a FANTASTIC car.

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23 hours ago, alsancle said:

 

Tough when you get beat in a race by a 90 year old guy.

 

 

He he was in his early  eighties at the time...........and I got my first sniff at it in my late 20’s.............In the end it all worked out for the best......I get to drive it but someone else is writing the check.......😂

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2 minutes ago, Xander Wildeisen said:

Is the Cord LaGrande speedster no more? Or sitting in a bunker with other missing items from that time period?

 

I was getting to that one.  You beat me to it.

 

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2 minutes ago, Xander Wildeisen said:

I think the Cord is still alive. Hidden away.

 

Doubtful.  But there are plenty of replicas of it.

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The Packard Twelve Speedster Pheaton which is the big brother to the Macaulay Speedster is alive and well, when I was looking at it this spring. I haven’t seen any photos of it on line, and I don’t have any of them myself. It’s a fantastic car, in a garage full of Incredible cars........AJ, do you have a photo?

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Great thread, hope it has a long life. I "found" a PI Rolls Royce Ascot touring in a one car garage years ago, cats and racoons had mad a condo out of it. Sent the info to Dave Domidian at the time, turned out to be the NYC showroom demonstrator. The owner passed on and her kids sold it to a dealer and then it got a great caretaker who just passed on last month. Tires and top are the only replacement parts on it. I did take 40 years to locate a Pre WWII race car  I once rode in only to find out it can't be bought. 

 

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There were three Peerless cars from their foray into the "multi-cylinder race" besides the surviving V-16 in the Crawford Museum. One V-12 and two V-16s. Chances are good that they were scrapped and became aircraft components. But they aren't figments of the imagination: all four were driven to Pasadena, Calif. for re-bodies by Murphy in 1931 from Ohio carrying bodies from the three straight-8 lines. The Peerless V-16 program actually began in 1926 in cooperation with Alcoa. A Japanese auto museum estimated the known V-16 is worth $2.25M .... so it would be foolish to hold onto it if someone had another one in a parking garage in Pasadena somewhere. Supposedly a blind rear quarter sedan was nearly done when the BOD decided breweries were more profitable...

 

Since it's hard to tell what the illustrations are on the coachbuilt.com site are(unlabeled), I don't know what this Murphy design is......but might be what such a Peerless would have looked like:oo1931-Due-Mur-Bev2.jpg

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22 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

I did take 40 years to locate a Pre WWII race car  I once rode in only to find out it can't be bought. 

 

Bob

 

A P1 Ascot is a hell of a find.............at anytime. The race car can be bought.......it just takes a bigger checkbook to pry it out.........I would bet that there are less than twenty pre war American cars that can’t be bought at any price. Most people will let a car go if the offer is above market, most, not all.

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2 minutes ago, jeff_a said:

There were three Peerless cars from their foray into the "multi-cylinder race" besides the surviving V-16 in the Crawford Museum. One V-12 and two V-16s. Chances are good that they were scrapped and became aircraft components. But they aren't figments of the imagination: all four were driven to Burbank, Calif. for re-bodies by Murphy in 1931 from Ohio carrying bodies from the straight line. Supposedly a blind rear quarter sedan was nearly done when the BOD decided breweries were more profitable...

 

Since it's hard to tell what the illustrations are on the coachbuilt.com site are(unlabeled) I don't know what this Murphy design is......but might be what such a Peerless would have looked like:oo1931-Due-Mur-Bev2.jpg

 

The Peerless twelve has survived and I saw it quite a bit over the past four or five years, I believe it’s in a museum on the west coast now. 

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