jcrow Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Forgive me if this is the incorrect forum. I am looking to sell a few special cars from my collection. The first one will be a very special 1930 Cadillac. It is a V-16. It is a one of a kind, special order convertible coupe made by Fisher for Fisher. Most 30/31 Cad 16s were built by Fleetwood. Fisher built 16 typical, somewhat stuffy convertible coupes with boxy doors and upright windshields. They also designed, for themselves, one sleek convertible coupe with a thin and very slopped windshield, slim doors and a drop down top. Unlike the Fleetwood it had front hinged doors (like the roadster) and was non-coachsill. The car is low mileage, running, with great wood and metal. It is quite complete but it is unrestored. It has the special order markings (LX) all over the body and has its original chassis and engine, all of which match the Build Sheet. This smaller body is mounted on the long chassis and could be quite a show car. There are NO duplicates. I would like something in the $325k/$350k range. Attached is a recent photo. Ask me for the build sheet. Johnny 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Cool! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagefinds Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 It will be first on my list after winning the lottery. Can you imagine,16 cylinders and only 452 cubes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 I recognize the Waterhouse Lincoln behind it. Nice! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 Correct. You have great eyes. This is a great car. But I have 4 other 16's and I have been letting some great cars sit. That's selfish. Just looking for some serious collectors to enjoy a few of them. Johnny 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Interesting door handles. Unique look. A most unusual V-16. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdome Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 21 hours ago, sagefinds said: It will be first on my list after winning the lottery. Can you imagine,16 cylinders and only 452 cubes? Factoid for you: For some reason, the 12 version of that engine has 1/8 th inch larger boar at 370 cubic inch and has more displacement and HP per cylinder than the V16. If you do the math, The V12 would only be 340 cubes if it had the same boar as the V16. If the V16 had the same boar as the V12 it would calculate to the same 500 inch and 200 HP as the Marmon V16. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Eaton Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 We like cars...... show us some more of your collection. What good is anything if you do not share it with other enthusiast? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Barney Eaton said: We like cars...... show us some more of your collection. What good is anything if you do not share it with other enthusiast? In general, I have found almost all collectors to be wonderfully generous in person. But many are reticent about posting things to the Internet. I can understand that. Edited December 1, 2023 by alsancle (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbird sunroof Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 is the 31 Waterhouse Lincoln for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiveLensPhoto Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 I hope it gets to someone who will show it off. Cars like that belong where they can be enjoyed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 No the Waterhouse is staying for a little longer. Showing off cars is a delicate balance. In a way it seems offensive. The look what I have part. Yet, none of us own them, anyway. We are only temporary caretakers. I am always happy to share, if it is taken as about the cars. Most of my cars are big old heavy American iron. Pierce, Loco, Cunningham, McFarlan, Packard, Springfield, Lincoln and such. Not very many are Cad and LaSalle and this is a Cad site. So I will share a few 16's 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagefinds Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 2:12 PM, jdome said: Factoid for you: For some reason, the 12 version of that engine has 1/8 th inch larger boar at 370 cubic inch and has more displacement and HP per cylinder than the V16. If you do the math, The V12 would only be 340 cubes if it had the same boar as the V16. If the V16 had the same boar as the V12 it would calculate to the same 500 inch and 200 HP as the Marmon V16. That is interesting. Sixteen cylinders with a 3" bore and 4" stroke,that must have been the most even powered engine ever built. AT one time I had three 16 engines,a 30,31 and a 33. Got a madam X body out of Rhode Island,chassis from a burned car out of Oregon with correct steering column,bumpers,trunkrack,etc. I was just extremely lucky at that stuff. It was all the early 30 with A wheels and 2 1/4" wide front springs so it would have went together. But things change and it all went back East to Dick Shappy several years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagefinds Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 20 hours ago, jcrow said: No the Waterhouse is staying for a little longer. Showing off cars is a delicate balance. In a way it seems offensive. The look what I have part. Yet, none of us own them, anyway. We are only temporary caretakers. I am always happy to share, if it is taken as about the cars. Most of my cars are big old heavy American iron. Pierce, Loco, Cunningham, McFarlan, Packard, Springfield, Lincoln and such. Not very many are Cad and LaSalle and this is a Cad site. So I will share a few 16's Sorry jcrow,I got stuck in the past and failed to compliment you on your not quantity but extreme quality V-16's. Beautiful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 9:57 PM, edinmass said: Interesting door handles. Unique look. A most unusual V-16. Great observation Ed. Stirrup "coach" handles, hold over accent to coach work from the carriage building era. Mostly found on enclosed formal cars - town cars etc. some sport sedans (Close coupled 4 door) used them as well. ( as did Packard on the 7 passenger touring cars they built at least up into the early 1930s - my 1930 touring has them) I am trying to research who manufactured them - not much to go by as most were not marked. As many know I am very interested in custom designed coach built cars - AND their suppliers of material, parts, components to build same. At Hershey this year I was able to purchase a pile of them from Rich "The Handleman" - thanks again Rich my friend. Most all are cast of brass with a steel shaft , but some are cast in all steel! Another mystery - why? Also some seem to have from new a plastic like coating over the metal loop area - again Why? This winter among other projects ( restoring pre 1935 pressed steel toys, a collection of fancy cast motor meters - not the lollipop shaped kind, plus so many on going research efforts into coach builders and body styling/design/builders) I will spend cleaning these handles that I acquired. they are already soaking in a solution of Simple Green to loosen the decades of grime. ( no particular reason to choose that cleaner - I had a gallon of it here!) jcrow I admire your taste in cars, wonderful. Edited December 3, 2023 by Walt G (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Fantastic dwp , what a beautiful ‘ 32 Cadillac, allow me to make a remark, please take the wrong year ,wrong height off , this very special 16 deserves the right ‘ 32 one, not easy to find, I know, the one now , works against the car. Wish you all the luck finding one. Btw did you succeed with the buy the one for the rds , hope you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 Johan. I do have the correct one, but very little room for tours. This car did the European CARavan, the cross country CARavan and the PB Motoring Classic and I needed room for tools, and parts. Very astute eye. Frankly they look lousy with any trunk. Thanks for asking about the roadster. We are restoring one now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 Oh yes and if you look closely, the yellow tag on the right side of the windshield was to allow us on the Autobahn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Very closely, that yellow tag, but there of course. Not exactly the place to be, the Autobahn with many km of the unlimited speed sections, scary I think. Agreed , didn’t dare saying, all look out of place on ‘32 open Cadillac. Your big trunk , filled most likely to the top , made the tour without touching the parts in it.😉 thanks for sharing your pictures with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1gt Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Something to dream about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazA Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 11:52 PM, jcrow said: Forgive me if this is the incorrect forum. I am looking to sell a few special cars from my collection. The first one will be a very special 1930 Cadillac. It is a V-16. It is a one of a kind, special order convertible coupe made by Fisher for Fisher. Most 30/31 Cad 16s were built by Fleetwood. Fisher built 16 typical, somewhat stuffy convertible coupes with boxy doors and upright windshields. They also designed, for themselves, one sleek convertible coupe with a thin and very slopped windshield, slim doors and a drop down top. Unlike the Fleetwood it had front hinged doors (like the roadster) and was non-coachsill. The car is low mileage, running, with great wood and metal. It is quite complete but it is unrestored. It has the special order markings (LX) all over the body and has its original chassis and engine, all of which match the Build Sheet. This smaller body is mounted on the long chassis and could be quite a show car. There are NO duplicates. I would like something in the $325k/$350k range. Attached is a recent photo. Ask me for the build sheet. Johnny Very nice! Are you also selling the '65 Cadillac in the picture? Crimson Firemist Eldorado?? Thanks, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 Pretty good eyes. Standard 62 series. About 70k miles. Original paint except hood and decklid repainted when new at dealer. Hood has some checking. Very nice original (red) interior which differs from repo. Nice top. Non air. Zero miles but five years sitting on tires. Have not started about five years. Very nice original, rust free Cali car. Owned about 30 years. $20k where is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Eaton Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Thanks for sharing a few of your cars. I appreciate the fact that there are individuals out there with the means to buy, restore, house and hopefully show collectable vehicles. I realized many years ago that I could only afford to maintain a couple of cars. I am happy with what I have and will enjoy the vehicles owned by others and I don't mind if they brag a little. I have been fortunate to view several private collections only because I belonged to a car club that was allowed into a collection. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 9, 2023 Author Share Posted December 9, 2023 Here's an early 31. Louvered hood and cowl.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kar3516 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 17 hours ago, jcrow said: Here's an early 31. Louvered hood and cowl.... Beautiful roadster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbartlett Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 You mentioned Loco as among your cars. Can you include a photo? I own two Locos, and like to see photos of others. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 I just emailed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 Still looking for a buyer on the great one off convertible coupe. Here is my final Cad photo. We were carefully looking it over before purchase. I know that it has the incorrect trunk. This addition is why the Fisher is for sale. I can only afford and care for so many. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnTony Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Thanks for posting these, I've probably looked at this post a dozen times. The last one takes the cake! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 Sold. The 1930 one off convertible coupe has found a great new owner who is going to restore it as his "last hurrah". Great buyer. Great car. Hope to see it at Pebble Beach. Thanks for all the help. Johnny 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theconvertibleguy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 12/12/2023 at 8:11 PM, jcrow said: Still looking for a buyer on the great one off convertible coupe. Here is my final Cad photo. We were carefully looking it over before purchase. I know that it has the incorrect trunk. This addition is why the Fisher is for sale. I can only afford and care for so many. Id' never afford it, but that's quite a car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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