1910 Buick model 19 unearthed in one piece. "It's all there, and all original."

[Morgan Wright]

Near me in upstate NY. I thought the Model 19 used a T-head engine, that's what the lists say. This is clearly valve-in-head.

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Morgan Wright
add model year to title (see edit history)

[Morgan Wright]

 

This says the 19 used a model D engine, which I heard was a T-head. The ad describes a valve in head engine with exposed push rods.

 

I don't understand. 

 

 

 

[trimacar]

Looks like a 1909-10 Model 16/17 engine in the Model 19, 35+ HP. Two jugs, not a T-head and never was. Will have to look at catalog to see where it fit, thought 19 was larger, but Buick numbering is as bad as Chrysler in the 1930s!

[garnetkid]

Wow, that looks like a nice project. Not missing many parts by the look of it 

[95Cardinal]

2 hours ago, Morgan Wright said:

I heard the model 19 used a T-head engine but this is clearly a jughead. Near me.

No, the Model 19 did not have a T head engine.

It was powered by a 255 C.I. valve-in-head 4.

Here's a photo of the 1910 Buick Model 19 summary:

[Larry Schramm]

The only non overhead valve that Buick ever used was in a 1913 Buick truck.  It was a one year only use. 

[Morgan Wright]

What threw me off was this which has a lot of errors. It says T-4 for some engines instead of I-4

 

http://www.caaarguide.com/1907_1919buick.html

 

[rustyjazz1938]

On 10/16/2023 at 8:36 PM, Larry Schramm said:

The only non overhead valve that Buick ever used was in a 1913 Buick truck.  It was a one year only use. 

Larry,

 

With all due respect, I think you've missed the 1910/1911 Model 14 Buggyabout which had a two cylinder valve in block motor:

 

 

The car that was found is definitely interesting, and shows that there are still cars in hiding waiting to be found.

 

Happy Motoring,

 

Rusty Berg

[Larry Schramm]

Rusty,

You're right.

I forgot about that car since they are very scarce.

 

Larry

[Morgan Wright]

I updated my list to say model 14 is L Head, and I see the 255 engine was clearly OHV not T Head (model D, model 19)

 

I like to keep things as accurate as possible. I have corrected many errors in it.

 

https://www.hyzercreek.com/Buick.html

[motoringicons]

Ummmmm, You all forgot the Buick T-head, 1907-1908 Models D, S, H, and K. The Model K, H, S and D had a 4 cylinder, 255 CID, T-head engine and was the first four cylinder engine built by Buick in 1907. The Model D was a touring and the Model S was a roadster. These are rare but there are  still  couple in existence. The Model H and K was a different version, but had the same engine. Here is a photo of a Model S roadster, owned by the Early Buick Expert, Mr.  Skip Carpenter.

 

Also, in one-year-only, a Model 5 in 1908 that had a four cylinder, T-head and was 336 CID.

 

The Model 19 is a middle size car with 255  OHV CID. The  Model 16/17 is the largest car for 1909-1910 and had the 318 OHV CID engine.

Edited October 19, 2023 by motoringicons (see edit history)

[Brian_Heil]

Motoring icons beat me to it.  
 

I would have had to dig out my ‘70 Years of Buick’ to name them all but there were a bunch as he notes. 

[Morgan Wright]

So the lists all say the model 19 had T-head 255, but it clearly has a valve-in-head.

 

The D, S, H, and K have a 255 engine, but it's T-head? 

 

5, 6, and 7 have a 336 T-head?

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Morgan Wright (see edit history)

[Morgan Wright]

Note: the lists also say the model 21 is a 255 engine with a T-head, but my friend with the model 19 also has a model 21 and it's OHV

[Morgan Wright]

Here's another pic of the Model 19 engine, it has a gasoline primer cup on the dashboard that sends gas into the intake manifolds. 

 

 

[AzBob]

That gasoline primer arrangement is pretty clever. Sure beats priming cups.

[Morgan Wright]

Here's a guy with a model D and it's a T-head

 

 

[motoringicons]

Of course, the Model 19 (1910) and 21 (1911) are OHV (over head valve) and 255 CID.

 

The Model 16 and 17 are 318 CID and  OHV (over head valve) for 1909 and 1910.

 

The Model D, S, H, and K have a 255 CID engine, but it's T-head for 1907  and 1908.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by motoringicons (see edit history)

[motoringicons]

This Model 19 is a great car. I like the "middle teens" (or slightly later) modifications such as the added front doors and some of the engine's improvements.

 

My Model 16 has early engine modifications such as a side mount water pump, carburetor/manifold, Stewart vacuum gas system, grease cups valve rockers, etc. The body had the seat lowered and slanted  to give it a "racy" look.

 

 

[Morgan Wright]

Now it's $24,000

 

I'd love to get it but I don't want a pre-1914 Buick. Love me a starter motor, I'm too old to be hand cranking anything.

 

https://hcca.org/acadp_listings/1910-buick-model-19-original-running/?fbclid=IwAR0GCamhW7J3MSuOq8UA0rlFQHaAP7yiAlq6OXl-XSIKwS7JbU91VFRpScI

 

 

[Talarico8447]

It's great to see cars like this are still out there. If the steering wheel could only talk!

[EmTee]

Looks remarkably complete, as far as i can see...  The upholstery looks surprisingly good - and I can imagine it must have been pretty comfortable to sit in when new.

[edinmass]

 

Just saw this thread today. Neat car. Nice lines. With the rust through it's kind of hard to figure out any plan to drive it as is. Certainly worth restoring, and mostly straight forward to do.........I'm glad I have other stuff in front of me........looks lie something I would like to take on. 

[Larry Schramm]

I would be tempted to put new tires and tubes on it, clean it up and do the maintenance to drive it and drive it as is.  Maybe some black duct tape on the holes in the seats.  It would very much be eligible for a HPOF designation and be fun to drive. 

[EmTee]

21 hours ago, Larry Schramm said:

Maybe some black duct tape on the holes in the seats.  It would very much be eligible for a HPOF designation and be fun to drive. 

I expect the original leather is hard.  I wonder whether it could be brought back enough to actually allow use without crumbling.

[Morgan Wright]

The service brakes on this car are external contracting on the drive shaft. That means it doesn't have a torque tube. I guess that explains why the rear leaf springs are not cantilever like later Buicks.

[Morgan Wright]

The guy has it all cleaned up and wants $20,000

 

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/listing/1910-buick-19-bouckville-ny-2775752?fbclid=IwAR3g19JB_DRq_6-V8UKZb5B06UF3pXNCSt82427QtgBamG2WaFp8EY4XFY0

[raydurr]

How much do fully restored , show worthy examples like this go for?

[dibarlaw]

Over the years I have seen restored examples go for in the $60,000 price range. Most had started out asking $75K.

 As much as I have always wanted to have an early brass Buick, just to do enough to be a driver with "patina" you would be into it for another $20K. Like so many other period car restorations in this day, one would need to invest $200,000+to have the car be worth $60,000. In MY Opinion..... I have chased about 15 Brass Buicks for the the last 13 years. My favorite experience was the one closest to me in VA. The 96 year old owner wanted to start at $20,000 and "Dicker UP"?

 He had done an interpretive restoration of a 1910 Model 10 runabout. (Somewhat less in power than the 1910 Model 19 in question.) Nicely painted and upholstered but with mismatched components and it did not run as he promised it would be at the time of inspection. It had been sitting in a box truck for over 6 years. After the owner had passed I tried to contact his son (who does not drive) and tried to negogtiate a purchase. He would not consider selling since he was afraid that a future owner may HOT ROD it!

 

[Morgan Wright]

Missing top is major 𒐕𒐖𒐕 in price.

 

I'd give the guy 12,000 

 

Keep in mind this is not rare. Buick made 4000 Model 19s in 1910

 

 

 

Edited March 14 by Morgan Wright (see edit history)

[dibarlaw]

Morgan:

 On the 1910-10 I asked when I first responded to his "Wanting this to go a Buick loving home" sale request through the local regional BCA chapters, does it have a top? He replied in the affirmative. We talked for several weeks before he would give us a day to inspect the car. If all he said was true I would have considered the $20,000 starting price. The day we met was a lovely 95 degree, high humidity in early September. Yuck! His son, my wife Joan and I had to push the car out of the "hot box" trailer to get better photos in daylight. We were dripping in sweat. I asked where was the top? He said it never had a top! I pointed out that it had all the required hardware. Nope.... never had a top...After pointing out the incorrect components.... 1911 Radiator, Incorrect front axle, spark/throttle control and some other items and the missing top plus he said that it would be running when we got there. No attempt was made to prepare it to run and it had not run for at least 6 years. This was in 2016. I offered $15,000 and he appeared to be insulted. From my last contact to the family after the owner had passed in 2018 they still have the car.

 

[jekeys1]

SOLD

[raydurr]

How much did it go for?