pre10 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I just sold a guy a 1923 centerdoor sedan. He had it shipped across the country. When he recieved it he called to tell me he was very upset and what I sent was not a centerdoor. He claims he has owned two of them before and they only have one door on the right. What is this guy talking about??Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I don't know about '23, but here's a '22... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Mmmm...All of the ones on the Google "Center door T photo" page have two doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I don't know much of anything about Model Ts but didn't he see photos of the car before he bought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I have a very vague memory of a single door center T, but whether I only saw one side or both, I cannot remember....I was about 11 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Yes, he saw the photos. Dave Edited January 12, 2011 by pre10 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) This from a website I just visited...The most remarkable thing about this car is the immaculate interior. It is said to have the best original interior of any Model T in the world. Although 19 million Model T Fords were built between 1908 and 1927, and many have survived, most original interiors show the wear and tear of years of ordinary use. This centredoor body style, with a single door on each side was produced from 1915 to 1923.Yep...."a single door ON EACH SIDE" is the key. Edited January 12, 2011 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Sounds like you sold him a Tudor if what he recieved has him upset. A photo of the vehicle will end the discussion. I just sold a guy a 1923 centerdoor sedan. He had it shipped across the country. When he recieved it he called to tell me he was very upset and what I sent was not a centerdoor. He claims he has owned two of them before and they only have one door on the right. What is this guy talking about??Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Yes, a photo of the car shipped would help. What I meant to say was "a single door in the CENTER of each side". Maybe another tack is to ask the buyer to please send you a photo of one or both of his previous "single door Ts". Edited January 12, 2011 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W_Higgins Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 In the "centerdoor" section of Bruce McCalley's Model T Ford: The Car That Changed the World it looks like all year ranges have a single door in the center on each side, as with the red car above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 Go to EBay # 110627504946 to see the car.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rohn Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Here are two pictures of Dave's old car that was sold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 YES! That IS a Model T Ford CENTERDOOR, a nice looking one too. Go to EBay # 110627504946 to see the car.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Since your very nice photos clearly show a door on each side, the buyer must be a nincompoop. Ask him to produce a pic of a one door CD sedan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Go to EBay # 110627504946 to see the car.DaveYep...did he NOT see the doors BOTH open and the door handle on the driver's side??? Jim beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryJ Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think these are really neat cars! Would you mind saying what you sold it for? If it's the right price I'll buy it back from the belly acker! You can send me a P.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W_Higgins Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Neat. I like centerdoors -- have photos of the one my mothers family bought new. Ask the guy if his other two cars were sedans. I'll bet he's screwing up the terminology for open cars that lack a drivers door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 From what I have seen, I don't see how he has a valid complaint with you based on the photos. The auction shows no bids, so I assume he and you made an agreement for him to buy it outside of Ebay, so he has no grounds for a complaint with Ebay either. I would always recommend trying to come to a reasonable polite settlement on any dispute, but I don't know how you can come to any such arrangement in this situation. If he does not want it, from the photos, I would think he should be able to re-sell it easily. Any idea how much he might be interested in selling it for? There may very well be a potential buyer on this site. In any case best of luck to both of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Neat. I like centerdoors -- have photos of the one my mothers family bought new. Ask the guy if his other two cars were sedans. I'll bet he's screwing up the terminology for open cars that lack a drivers door.Kind of what I was thinking, too. Because of the spare tire on the driver's side or the hand brake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 I got 7750.00 for it and he paid about 1700.00 to ship it.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Since your very nice photos clearly show a door on each side, the buyer must be a nincompoop. Ask him to produce a pic of a one door CD sedanI agree...I would LOVE to see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W_Higgins Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Kind of what I was thinking, too. Because of the spare tire on the driver's side or the hand brake?Usually only trucks had a spare on the running board. It's mostly a hand brake issue. On a centerdoor that's not a problem, as you enter behind the front seat. Other sedans (Fordor and Tudor) and coupes did have a drivers door, but they're not very practical. Omitting the drivers door on open cars might just be an economy thing, too, since it was kind of a pointless feature.A little bit of trivia -- Ford didn't call them "centerdoors", just "sedans".As standard production Model T's go, centerdoors are a pretty rare animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think that maybe the T restorers started the "Centerdoor" name to separate them from the Tudors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W_Higgins Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think that maybe the T restorers started the "Centerdoor" name to separate them from the Tudors.That, or probably just because it's an obvious oddity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdome Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm not well versed on model T's and I don't have a Ford book but it seems to me that I have seen a coupe configuration with a bussel trunk, that has only 1 door in the center onthe passenger side only. I believe it only has a bucket seat for the driver and no passenger front seat. It has a full back seat. The buyer may have the center door coupe confused with the center door sedan. None the less, he should have realized what you were selling wasn't what he wanted from the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm not well versed on model T's and I don't have a Ford book but it seems to me that I have seen a coupe configuration with a bussel trunk, that has only 1 door in the center onthe passenger side only. I believe it only has a bucket seat for the driver and no passenger front seat. It has a full back seat. The buyer may have the center door coupe confused with the center door sedan. None the less, he should have realized what you were selling wasn't what he wanted from the photos.Perhaps this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdome Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 That looks like a nice car. Black radiator T's don't bring as much as the earlier brass T's but it looks like he made out OK with his $9200 investment. What state did you ship it to? I might take it off his hands if it is not too far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdome Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Perhaps this?Your photo shows a front door coup. That may be what I'm thinking of but I think there is a coupe like that with the door centered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdome Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I just did a 10 minute search for model T center door coupe and nothing came up. Ford must have only made the CD sedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm not well versed on model T's and I don't have a Ford book but it seems to me that I have seen a coupe configuration with a bussel trunk, that has only 1 door in the center onthe passenger side only. I believe it only has a bucket seat for the driver and no passenger front seat. It has a full back seat. A Model T coupe has no back seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 The car is now in Waverly New York.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EMF-Owner Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I am asked this all the time when I show my 1920 Centerdoor. I have never seen a Centerdoor with only one door (meaning no door on the drivers side). Ford was not the only automobile manufacturer to build a "Centerdoor" sedan. They just built the most of them. Between 1915 and 1923, Ford built just under 1 Million of the Centerdoor Model T's. Bruce McCalley's Book on the model T called the Centerdoor the rarest of the common bodied Model T's. Ford did not build the Centerdoor Body. They were built by either the Fisher Body Company or the Wadsworth body company. There are slight differences between the bodies. My 1920 is a Fisher Body Centerdoor. With the number of people who tell me they thought the Centerdoor only had one door, I have to believe there was one built by some company that did only have one. I do not believe it was Ford though. Like someone else said, show me a picture of one. Have a great day.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24T42 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Ford referred to what we call a center door as a 5-passenger. 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The interior is still original. We are hoping to take Elizabeth to Charlotte this year and enter her as HPOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 "Roadster-one door on the passenger sideTouring- 3 doors (one door on the passenger side, 2 rear doors)"Model Ts made in Canada had doors on both sides. Reason, so they could make left hand drive or right hand drive cars for export.I thought this was a well known bit of trivia in the Ford ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Thanks! I knew about the Canadian drivers side front door, never knew about the left or right driver export reason. I'm always bothered by people commenting about the "accessorie" front doors on my 1912 Touring. EVERY TOURING CAR left the factory with FRONT DOORS! That was the reason Ford first used the term Fordor, as in Forward Door. End of rant."Roadster-one door on the passenger sideTouring- 3 doors (one door on the passenger side, 2 rear doors)"Model Ts made in Canada had doors on both sides. Reason, so they could make left hand drive or right hand drive cars for export.I thought this was a well known bit of trivia in the Ford ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I just sold a guy a 1923 centerdoor sedan. He had it shipped across the country. When he recieved it he called to tell me he was very upset and what I sent was not a centerdoor. He claims he has owned two of them before and they only have one door on the right. What is this guy talking about??DavePresumably, you sent the buyer pictures of the car before the deal was closed ?If so, then there should have been no surprises as to body style/ configuration when the real thing arrived.Also, as far as I know, the Center-door sedan was the only (?) Model T car with an arched roof-line.And if the two-door Center Door is one of the "rarest" T's, then the one-door Centerdoor professed by your buyer must be super-ultra rare...I have only seen / read about the version with one door on each side, in the center.I have McCalley's book, and it's pretty darned exhaustive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Was there not a Model T that had a single door in the rear of the vehicle? If so was that maybe the "center door" car that he was thinking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Was there not a Model T that had a single door in the rear of the vehicle? If so was that maybe the "center door" car that he was thinking about?A few very early cars had a single rear door entry to the back seat...1902 Cadillac, 190? Rambler, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 So did the earliest Fords (Models A and A/C) from 1903-4, if they had detachable back seats. But the first centerdoor Model T was 1915, long after the era of rear entrances.Gil Fitzhugh, Morristown, NJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silverghost Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) For many years there was a very very early Brass Ford Model "T" touring car in Ocean City NJ owned by Judge Robert "Bob" Boakes of Walnut La. that had an unusual & very small center rear tonneau entrance door in the middle of the back seat area.This small door was easily removed with it's unique take-apart style hinges . The body was 100%original ~~~It was a very early brass-"T" with unusual & unique running boards also. It also had very early Acetylene gas lights with a running board gas generator. I believe another coachbuilder built this body for directly for Ford .It was the most unique and earliest model "T" we had ever seen !The engine had exposed valve springs also !There was a coachbuilder's plate on the car~~~ Their name escapes me for the moment ! I rode in this car many times as a youngster as the judge drove it all the time in town during the Summer. It was a regular fixture at Ocean City NJ's Annual Antique car show & boardwalk run. Does anyone have a photo of this , or a similar, rather rare & unusual style rear entrance tonneau type "T" touring car ? Edited January 12, 2011 by Silverghost (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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