Babajaga Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I am looking for information on this suspension set up so I can start assembly. thanks Sorry for multiple photos new to site 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagefinds Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I think you are going to be own on that one. A jig saw puzzle for sure. Just hope you have all the pieces. Do you have any photo's taken before it was taken apart ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Man, what a monstrosity. As I see what you have, there appears to be a front mounted motor with large flywheel set in a triangular support welded to front axle and steel spine connecting front and rear axles. A driveshaft back to a differential case of some sort, meant to drive rear wheel for which there are partial u-jointed half axles. I do not see any transmission/shifting mechanism. The front steering seems to rely on an odd spindle type using independent coil springs on each side, although I don't see a steering arm or tie rod. The dramatically curved springs ahead of flywheel appear to be intended to act as a "springy" base for a body to be added, much like early buggies. I'm starting to think someone was trying to develop a car prototype (perhaps using some off the shelf stuff) and never sorted out all the wrinkles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I highly suggest you contact the AACA Library for some possible original literature on that car. First, though, you'll have to tell them what it is. Whatever it is, it sure looks interesting. What is it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babajaga Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 I know I’m going to be building everything. I was hoping to find another carriage so I can see the engineering. The kinematics. The carriage is listed here through the shop also. I’m the mechanic. I’ll find the make and post it. At one time it was assembled. But we don’t have any clear photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Looks vaguely like a Morgan sliding pillar suspension. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC5 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I was thinking the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURTRUK Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 hours ago, Babajaga said: I know I’m going to be building everything. I was hoping to find another carriage so I can see the engineering. The kinematics. The carriage is listed here through the shop also. I’m the mechanic. I’ll find the make and post it. At one time it was assembled. But we don’t have any clear photos Yes, someone from your shop posted about this car a little while back. Someone have the link? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3macboys Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, KURTRUK said: Yes, someone from your shop posted about this car a little while back. Someone have the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagefinds Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I looked in my book 1904 automobiles for a body like the one sitting in the background page by page with no matches. Then it hit me,that body looks close to 1903 Cadillac and Ford,both with midship engines,and I don't see any way that chassis would work under that body. So is that not the body intended for that chassis and do you have the body for it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtech Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Can't help with the question but if I lived there I'd be over helping you with it! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonF Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 16 hours ago, sagefinds said: I looked in my book 1904 automobiles for a body like the one sitting in the background page by page with no matches. Then it hit me,that body looks close to 1903 Cadillac and Ford,both with midship engines,and I don't see any way that chassis would work under that body. So is that not the body intended for that chassis and do you have the body for it? The body that came with this chassis is the one in the background of the posted pictures. On the post I made a month or so ago, there is a grainy picture of the carriage fully assembled. This picture was from a local newspaper that did an article about the discovery in 1942 in a field near Chickopee, MA. From my research, the body looks almost identical to a 1903 American Motor Carriage Runabout, but the chassis and everything else mechanically looks nothing like I have found in pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDevil Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Looks like Morgan style. Basically a lower spring, a stub axle and an upper spring. Basically the hub bounces between the springs. It is an independent suspension. https://www.morganownersclub.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Of-Sliding-Pillars-Axles.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonF Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, BlueDevil said: Looks like Morgan style. Basically a lower spring, a stub axle and an upper spring. Basically the hub bounces between the springs. It is an independent suspension. https://www.morganownersclub.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Of-Sliding-Pillars-Axles.pdf Great, thank you for this! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_padavano Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The rear suspension is a De Dion style. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The front reminds me of an early De Dion Bouton one cylinder car also. Not the same, just sort of similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babajaga Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 The owner wants a “coffee grinder” steering? What is that? Thanks for all input it has steered us forward thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Pre-steering wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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