George Smolinski Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Photo by conceptcarz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 That is what most car guys see when they find that rusted out hulk in a barn with poor lighting. Then reality sets in after the dollars have been spent. But it's still fun, right? dave s 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 “Derham” 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Fifty years ago, Jack Passey had a Duesenberg similar style, I don't recall who the body builder was. Every time I see a Duesenberg like this, I wonder how it relates to Jacks old one. I spent almost an hour simply admiring the car one day when he had it sitting outside his shop! I am probably in the minority on this (again?)? I like the 'art crystal' radiator ornament. I wouldn't even try to guess who may have produced it originally. Such pieces were produced in small numbers, and I think expensive when new. While the piece on its own is beautiful ! Somehow, I don't think it adds anything to the car. I prefer the understated elegance of the standard Duesenberg caps. Fire up the flame throwers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryankazmer Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 The hood ornament is by Lalique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, bryankazmer said: The hood ornament is by Lalique. Close. Barnum and Bailey. My parents have a cabinet full of those things. My dad suggested putting one on a car once and I told him I would only ride in it with a bag over my head. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 I know that many people today feel that accessory lights and white-wall tires are sometimes too much for a car. I often agree. On a car like this, let me state further: I think it has too much brightwork. Let it demonstrate its grace and power with some subtlety. That may be heretical to some Classic fans, but after all, the opinions of tires and accessory doo-dads is changing a bit too! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 This car exhibts every instance of doo dad bad taste that there is. It has it all. Stone guard, pilot rays, spot lights, spare tire mirrors, white walls, etc. etc. The Derham Conv Coupe body is probably their most famous offering and very attractive. They were built for Packard, Lincoln and Stutz. I have a rendering of one on a Stearns Knight Eight chassis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 How about the 1930's dealer fad of painting the undersides of fenders red. Was that done with a brush or roller? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe in Canada Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, wayne sheldon said: I am probably in the minority on this (again?)? I like the 'art crystal' radiator ornament. I wouldn't even try to guess who may have produced it originally. They can get very pricey if it is inscribed R Lalique rather than just Lalique on the base. The R was for Rena who was the founder and then the R was removed after his passing. Lalique also makes glass pieces from vases to perfume bottles with original pieces that can sell for over 100,000 $. Yes there are reproductions out there and the French Lalique company is now Swedish. Edited September 16, 2021 by Joe in Canada (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert G. Smits Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Lalique vase sold at auction to an American collector in 2012 for 280,000 pounds which is $387,647.00. There is big money in every form of collectible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I do like it when you see one without all the Kmart accessories.... Just like the designer intended... The same motive which actuates the creation of any masterpiece prompts the building of this, the world's finest motor car; unswerving devotion to one ideal... to produce the best, forgetful of cost, or expediency or any other consideration. A Duesenberg definitely excels every other automobile in the world, in every way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, alsancle said: This car exhibits every instance of doo dad bad taste that there is. It has it all. Stone guard, pilot rays, spot lights, spare tire mirrors, white walls, etc. etc. I could do without the 6 chromed wheels, the wide chromed band around the spare wheels, and the wide chromed side-window sill trim. If the wheels and sill trim were painted in tasteful and clever contrasting shades, they might beautify this green car. Edited September 16, 2021 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Robert G. Smits said: Lalique vase sold at auction to an American collector in 2012 for 280,000 pounds which is $387,647.00. There is big money in every form of collectible. But there is, thankfully, small money possible in almost every form of collectible too. News stories may distort perceptions by printing only the extremes. Smaller and realistic prices on so many things make collecting possible for a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Derham built this style convertible coupe derived from their four door convertible phaeton which is identified by the broad top material B-pillar under license from Hibbard & Darrin. The low deck and lack of continued molding were their contribution. As A.J. mentioned, this Derham convertible coupe was supplied to Packard, Lincoln and Stutz. Pierce-Arrows not only received this body but it was also the design inspiration for their own convertible coupe production bodies. This design just plain looks wonderful on whatever Classic chassis received it. The Derham convertible phaeton appeared on Lincoln, Stutz and even Cadillac, rendered proposals for other luxury carmakers as well. "Less is More" when it comes to accessorizing Classics, should become the new mantra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 This was the only 3/4 rear view I could find of the car, great top and dropped deck. Did all J chassis leave with front fenders? Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I shudder when I see those windshield posts/A pillar drilled to accept the spot lights - . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Walt G said: I shudder when I see those windshield posts/A pillar drilled to accept the spot lights - . The worst bling there is because it is a fortune to reverse it. And, they get in the way on many cars when you open the hoods or try to open the door. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I have a 1940 Buick series 71 Roadmaster conv. sedan ( same body as Cadillac, Olds 90 series) and at some point it had both wind shield post drilled for spot lamps. When I bought the car they had been long welded shut but you can see where on the interior plated window trim (a stamped steel thin molding) someone put in chrome pipe caps to close them up. Sometimes ( only sometimes - rarely)I can understand a spotlight, but to add a pair of them reminds me of a police car or a search light truck for the fire department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert G. Smits Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Walt G said: /A pillar drilled to accept the spot lights I agree Walt. My 58 Barritz had them when purchased in the early 90's. They do not add anything!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert G. Smits Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 15 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said: But there is, thankfully, small money possible in almost every form of collectible too. You are correct John. We have examples of Lalique in our glass collection that in my opinion are more attractive and cost a few hundred dollars (in the 70's and 80's) at most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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