ron hausmann Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 5 hours ago, ron hausmann said: It’s not a seat drawer as a Kissel or Paige would have. That door is likely for golf club stowage. I’m not aware that Stutz ever used a side-seat configuration as Kissel, Paige, or Pilot did. Quite rare. And dumb. Ron Hausmann P.E. All, I’m still not convinced that that fold-down door is a side seat. If it is a seat in there, the mechanics of the exposed bottom hinges, besides being unsightly, would not operate easily to make it a seat. It could of course be an add on. The mechanism on the running board could be a footrest, or something else. And again, except for custom jobs or prototypes, American production cars which had “suicide” or “outrigger seats” were Pilot Roadster (one seat 1920-1922 ish), Paige Daytona (one seat 1922-1924 ish), and Kissel (two seats 1919-mid 1923). Like many of you, I’m stumped by the picture too. Ron Hausmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I would bet money that’s a fold out seat...........also, look at the spare tire peeking up on the back of the rear boat tail.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ron hausmann said: All, I’m still not convinced that that fold-down door is a side seat. If it is a seat in there, the mechanics of the exposed bottom hinges, besides being unsightly, would not operate easily to make it a seat. It could of course be an add on. The mechanism on the running board could be a footrest, or something else. And again, except for custom jobs or prototypes, American production cars which had “suicide” or “outrigger seats” were Pilot Roadster (one seat 1920-1922 ish), Paige Daytona (one seat 1922-1924 ish), and Kissel (two seats 1919-mid 1923). Like many of you, I’m stumped by the picture too. Ron Hausmann The examples you quote are all from 1919 or later. Our mystery pic was taken in 1917. I guess we will just have to hope some more pics from that event show up sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Some great photos taken in Spain of the 1912 Hispano-Suiza owned by Dr Carulla of Barcelona. Photo credit to the Hispano-Suiza Society facebook page. I think that photo three may have been taken some time after photo two as the women's skirts are shorter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, nzcarnerd said: The examples you quote are all from 1919 or later. Our mystery pic was taken in 1917. I guess we will just have to hope some more pics from that event show up sometime. Nccarnerd and edinmass, Yes it could be a side seat - I’m just thinking that if it is, it’s not a production model but a custom or prototype. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, ron hausmann said: Nccarnerd and edinmass, Yes it could be a side seat - I’m just thinking that if it is, it’s not a production model but a custom or prototype. Ron I suspect almost every car at that event may have been a custom of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Another unidentified roadster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said: Another unidentified roadster. Locomobile? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Ron......I agree......that’s why I called it a special-special. The probable side seat, spare in the rear taper tail, size and scale........all point to an interesting car. Steering wheel and controls make me think very high end...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 6:54 PM, nzcarnerd said: Another unidentified one from Sheepshead Bay - The hubcap suggests maybe Oldsmobile?? I like the Dirigible search light. It has a magnifying lens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCK81403 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 The Ruth McDonald mystery car does not appear to be a Cunningham. The Cunningham 1917 Model V-1 is not the mystery car (photos of two car). And the 1920 Cunningham eight cylinder speedster is not correct either. I have attempted to search Ruth McDonald as being a "matron", associated with politics, and a few other possible explanations for her apparent station in life. This a tough way to research, and there are a lot of Ruth McDonald people. Perhaps identification of who Ruth McDonald was could lead to identification of the automobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Another mystery, not a Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Keeping with the thread theme of relieving stress, this beverage was once touted as a nerve tonic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, twin6 said: Keeping with the thread theme of relieving stress, this beverage was once touted as a nerve tonic. A period photo of it is on page 339 of this theread. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 On one of the early Glidden tours, some of the jokers associated with the Packard had this Moxie display -- the unofficial "chairman." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 11 hours ago, twin6 said: Another mystery, not a Pope. Suggested elsewhere to be a 1908 Haynes Model W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukejunkie1015 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 12 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: Suggested elsewhere to be a 1908 Haynes Model W. I agree 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 A great photo posted on the AACA facebook page by Terry Weber. The long hood suggests it may be a six? "1907 Welch, the first automobile to enter Rawhide, Nevada. Rawhide was a mining Boom Town which grew fast and died fast and is now a Ghost Town." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt G Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 Camping was a big fad all over the USA once the motor car became more popular and affordable , especially by the early 1920s when WWI had ended. Cars were packed with cots, tents, portable stoves, water bags, and running board mounted trunks to hold equipment to be sort of comfortable out in the great outdoors! Yeah sort of. 🙄 In a Durant factory in house publication from August 1923 this photo of their showroom in San Francisco of the Durant-Steves Motors, Inc. Elaborate window displays were designed and created to show a scene that drew in people walking by to see and hopefully further into the building where they could be pounced upon by an eager salesman. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt G Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 Ed, thanks for the photos of the Derham bodied convertible sedan that was based on a Hibbard & Darrin design. Love the styling and probably a car with the top up it was near impossible to see out the rear of . That Packard with the elaborate ( perhaps funeral coach) coachwork just has to be considered for a full classic by CCCA, I mean come on this is concours level craftsmanship !!! Just picture that puppy on the lawn at PEBBLE. Or perhaps sinking into it......................😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nzcarnerd Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 hours ago, edinmass said: A few older ones of these Japanese funeral cars have found their way to New Zealand. Even though they look to be based on some large and impressive vehicle they are usually something quite mundane underneath - often a small pickup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 hours ago, edinmass said: FRP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 A 1908 Corbin taxi - posted by Mark Johnson on facebook - "Pictured here is a New Britain, Connecticut made 1908 Corbin Taxi. It is parked in front of the Corbin Motor Vehicle Corporation Showroom at 1888 Broadway in New York City. Broadway was the automobile mecca in the early 1900, where manufacturers needed to have a presence to make it in this new industry. Next to Corbin was the Matheson showroom on one side and Lozier showroom on the other. This Corbin taxi looks well worn. Notice that it has no radiator cap; 1908 was the last year of Corbin’s air-cooled motors, in 1909 to 1912 they were only water-cooled. The gas headlamps were removed even though the holders remain. I assume they only used the taxi during the day. In 1908 the streets of New York were filled with both horses and automobiles. You can see evidence of a horse beside the Corbin and that’s why the automobiles were a welcome replacement. Reminder, the remaining Corbin Automobiles will be gathering at Klingberg Motorcar Event on June 18th. www.KlingbergMotorcarSeries.org" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nzcarnerd Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 hours ago, twin6 said: Suggested elsewhere to be a 1912-13 Pierce-Arrow 48. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt G Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 Can anyone imagine that EATON tank truck at Hershey, the rear doors open and the inside filled to the top with cool pre war parts and accessories? And all the "impoverished" car enthusiasts ( I was going to say cheap) coming up and stating in great authority " Can ya do bedda?, I'll Give yaz" and then getting annoyed when you decline their offer of $3.34 for a item marked $67.56.................. Yes, I am starting the day off with some mild sarcasm. 🤐 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hook Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Walt G said: Can anyone imagine that EATON tank truck at Hershey, the rear doors open and the inside filled to the top with cool pre war parts and accessories? And all the "impoverished" car enthusiasts ( I was going to say cheap) coming up and stating in great authority " Can ya do bedda?, I'll Give yaz" and then getting annoyed when you decline their offer of $3.34 for a item marked $67.56.................. Yes, I am starting the day off with some mild sarcasm. 🤐 I'd think it would be better loaded with free beer or gin & tonics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pre10 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 7:29 AM, twin6 said: 1910 Mitchell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Auburn, California, circa 1910. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Sharing this one because the car is relatively uncommon. The folks are the grandparents of Bill Hall, somewhere in Western Colorado. I think the car is a 1926 Willys Overland Six. By coincidence I found there is one for sale - 1926 Willys Overland rare six cylinder two door for sale in East Palatka, Florida, United States for sale: photos, technical specifications, description (classiccardb.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanski Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 7:37 PM, edinmass said: Owen Magnetic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 THANK YOU! Two of the Best Brass Era front fender beauties, Rambler on the left, Oldsmobile on the right about 1908. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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