30DodgePanel Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Sorry if it's been posted before... What's the old saying about the guy with the nicest car? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Proud owners of a new Sears home model 118 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Those are some very clear photos. Their quality is amazing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nzcarnerd Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said: Darracq circa 1906 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, ply33 said: The gents on the bicycles appear are wearing uniforms that might be for police. And the equestrians are wearing what look like military uniforms. A few people watching the procession but not enough for a holiday parade. I wonder if that was the equivalent of a modern VIP motorcade? If so, who were the people in the motor vehicles? Looks like it was DC More about it on Shorpy: Childs Restaurant: 1918 | Shorpy Old Photos | Photo Sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, 30DodgePanel said: Looks like it was DC More about it on Shorpy: Childs Restaurant: 1918 | Shorpy Old Photos | Photo Sharing I think the motorcade might be 'Presidential'. The cars look to be the same Packard twin Six and the big White that have been seen in other shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said: Having 'brain fade' at the moment but I am sure I posted this one quite recently. Taken in New Zealand circa 1903. I forget the make of the car but its bones have survived and are being resurrected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Ok, Help me out on the year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Walt probably knows where these drawings are coming from. Ed can confirm it was never built. https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-1930s-WILLOUGHBY-COACH-CO-PIERCE-ARROW-VICTORIA-FACTORY-DESIGN-PRINT-/233889301557 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Does that ever deserve a better look! 1936 Cadillac either 75 or 85. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 This is from the very end of the Willoughby companies life span as the Great Depression had been hitting hard at the auto manufacturers as well as individual coach builders for 7 years. Chassis illustrated is Pierce Arrow, I believe is a "fantasy" or ' hope some one orders one' illustration. For sales in the mid 1920s Willoughby had printed up on coated stock paper a single sheet advertising flyer that they distributed to customers and dealers, but it was much more detailed then the image here. This looks more like a "possible perspective, let's try it" venture on Willoughby's part. The other printed sheets I mentioned , plus a lot of Francis Willoughby's personal photo albums of their companies work and production signed by him in ink wound up at an antique show on Rt. 20 in Central N.Y. state about 35 years ago and I purchased those then. It shows their commercial bodies as well as motor car coachwork. Guess I need to get going and do a history of that company and use the photographs and information that is in that mound of material. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marty Roth Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 15 hours ago, alsancle said: Walt probably knows where these drawings are coming from. Ed can confirm it was never built. https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-1930s-WILLOUGHBY-COACH-CO-PIERCE-ARROW-VICTORIA-FACTORY-DESIGN-PRINT-/233889301557 While the notes describe it as: Convertible Victoria Especially Designed for Mr. C. C. Walker By Willoughby Company on Pierce Arrow 12 Cylinder Custom Chassis it seems to have a Pre-WWII Mercedes-Benz "feel" about it, other than the headlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 23 hours ago, alsancle said: Walt probably knows where these drawings are coming from. Ed can confirm it was never built. https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-1930s-WILLOUGHBY-COACH-CO-PIERCE-ARROW-VICTORIA-FACTORY-DESIGN-PRINT-/233889301557 First time I have seen this, and if it was built, no one knows about it. I can tell from the drawing that some of the proportions are off in the hood, cowl, and side mount. Also, the Pierce factory wouldn't have done a windshield that way....even on a one off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, edinmass said: First time I have seen this, and if it was built, no one knows about it. I can tell from the drawing that some of the proportions are off in the hood, cowl, and side mount. Also, the Pierce factory wouldn't have done a windshield that way....even on a one off. If it is a coachbuilt car, wouldn't the body be fully custom from the firewall back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, alsancle said: If it is a coachbuilt car, wouldn't the body be fully custom from the firewall back? From 1934 and later, I have only seen cars.......full customs, with a factory cowl and windshield. For some reason, they must have only sold a chassis with the entire nose, cowl, and open car windshield.........which were diffrent than the closed cars.......and 1934 and later open cars were essentially all hand built......even with factory coachwork. I think it might be related to the hearse/ambulance platforms. You probably had to take what they were willing to offer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I cross posted this from the Rolls Royce thread, although all of you guys should be paying attention down there too. This picture was taken in 1951 at the Studebaker Proving grounds. A Springfield Ascot with late headlights and bumpers but early fenders. Anyone know which car it is? I don't like phaetons but LOVE Ascots for some reason. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 The rear window should make an ID easy. The Rolls boys will know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, alsancle said: I cross posted this from the Rolls Royce thread, although all of you guys should be paying attention down there too. This picture was taken in 1951 at the Studebaker Proving grounds. A Springfield Ascot with late headlights and bumpers but early fenders. Anyone know which car it is? I don't like phaetons but LOVE Ascots for some reason. In about 1931 R-R in the USA would take a late 1920s Phantom I and update it . Most often with a new body by Brewster . at the same time would update the fenders , bumpers and lamps. I had a Springfield built Phantom I ( S74PM) that was sold new in 1927 with a Huntington limousine body, it was updated in 1931 to a Trouville town car body and the drum lamps replaced as well as the older style fenders and bumpers that looked out dated 4 years later. Edited February 19, 2021 by Walt G typo (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) On 2/18/2021 at 8:44 AM, alsancle said: Ok, Help me out on the year. 1936-75 (v8) or 1936-85(v12). Cadillac Edited February 19, 2021 by Cadillac Fan (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, edinmass said: From 1934 and later, I have only seen cars.......full customs, with a factory cowl and windshield. For some reason, they must have only sold a chassis with the entire nose, cowl, and open car windshield.........which were diffrent than the closed cars.......and 1934 and later open cars were essentially all hand built......even with factory coachwork. I think it might be related to the hearse/ambulance platforms. You probably had to take what they were willing to offer. Ed: Very good likelihood that was the case, though examining images of the windshield pillars of factory-supplied convertibles and the Metropolitan Town Brougham by Brunn, that company must have replaced the factory windshield with their own cast design. Have you had the chance to examine a Brunn in detail to ascertain what method was employed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 9:10 AM, alsancle said: I cross posted this from the Rolls Royce thread, although all of you guys should be paying attention down there too. This picture was taken in 1951 at the Studebaker Proving grounds. A Springfield Ascot with late headlights and bumpers but early fenders. Anyone know which car it is? I don't like phaetons but LOVE Ascots for some reason. And the answer is..........S398KP. 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, edinmass said: And the answer is..........S398KP. 😎 How did you figure that out? It looks better with me sitting in it. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAKerry Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Great looking car, but boy would I hate to clean all of those spokes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, edinmass said: And the answer is..........S398KP. 😎 Ed, those cowl lights on S398KP are cast in to the band. They would be a tough add on. Also, I would be surprised that someone would put the old style drum lights back on and tube bumpers. Not to mention the big tell which is S398KP has the hidden door hinges and the car I posted from 1951 has exposed hinges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I was going from info supplied to me by a Rolls guy. I think the reason he gave the number he did is from the unusual top........on my tablet, the photo isn’t clear enough to make out most of the small details. But you must be correct.....back to the drawing board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 hours ago, alsancle said: How did you figure that out? It looks better with me sitting in it. Sorry about the face......you should be in radio. Nice car. Wish it were mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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