Curti Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I bought a carburetor that was not as described. I sent the item back to him . He said that refunding the money thru PayPal was too confusing so he sent me a personal check for the amount of the item only , no shipping I figured the fair way is, I pay one way he pays the other. The cost of shipping is $20 one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Contact Ebay and follow their suggestions, you didn't do that in the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 $20 to ship a carb ... wow, how big is it ? Paypal return confusing lol... sorry, that's some insight into who you're dealing with unfortunately. I've never seen an easier process myself.. isn't it like two clicks of the mouse ? He should be paying full refund....what your suggesting is fair for both of you, I'd contact Ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 Contact Ebay and follow their suggestions, you didn't do that in the beginning. Yes, I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike36 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I feel that if the seller misrepresented the carb, he should pay the shipping both ways. Why should you pay for his mistake? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 The big sticking point I find is, was the item not as described or did not live up to a buyers unreasonable expectation being a used part or even a new part with flaws that were clearly pointed out. Now this is not aimed at you Curti but as a seller (though it happens very rarely I get agitated because the buyer didn't read the description) I've even had the buyer buy a round headlight bezel for his car that has square headlights. Guess he didn't know what his car looked like. My approach is if it's something that was my fault I pay both shipping fees. If they were hoping it would fit but won't, then I only pay one. (ebay actually makes you give a full refund, so you have to) Depending on where it's coming from a Carb. could easily cost $20 to ship. 3 lbs coast to coast I believe is around $15 or more. Postal rates are always going up. Even those flat rates have been creeping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I sent an item back once. eBay/PayPal allowed me to print out a return shipping label for it and charged me for it. It was a return label with postage, bar code, and a tracking number. It was actually cheaper than if I just paid postage on my own. So then I got a refund from the seller, price of item plus the shipping the seller paid. I was out the return shipping. USPS parcels are getting very expensive. A light pair of low top tennis shoes cost $20 to ship, I saw the postage the seller paid. I have a FedEx account and I think FedEx ground is usually cheaper, but I ship very little and it's hard to compare unless you take the same item into both places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 The carburetor was advertised as a Stromberg fitting 1931 Auburn 898A In the description it says "never used " In reality it is a Studebaker or Chrysler carb. and very used. NOT Auburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W_Higgins Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Did you actually file the return through eBay or just communicate directly with the seller and let him send the check? If you go to your "Purchase History" / "More actions" / "Return this item" and file the return, eBay will force the refund for the full amount including the shipping in an instance where the item is not as described. Refund of the return shipping can depend on the sellers policy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 "Never used" is not a valid option for "Condition" That's not even one of the choices. What's the listing say in the condition spot near the top? New, New other (see details), Remanufactured, Used, For parts or not working are the valid Condition options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Members 64 132 posts Report post x #5 Posted 4 hours ago I feel that if the seller misrepresented the carb, he should pay the shipping both ways. Why should you pay for his mistake? because in the end- everyone has a different opinion of everything. things rarely go smooth when there is a complaint. Curti, if you didnt accept the check, you would recve a refund through ebay and yes, you would have recd one of the shipping charges. you didnt follow protocol unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 I feel that if the seller misrepresented the carb, he should pay the shipping both ways. Why should you pay for his mistake? because in the end- everyone has a different opinion of everything. things rarely go smooth when there is a complaint. Curti, if you didnt accept the check, you would recve a refund through ebay and yes, you would have recd one of the shipping charges. you didnt follow protocol unfortunately. I had no choice. He said he couldn't figure out how to do a PayPal refund so he sent me a personal check. No, I have not cashed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stromberg-Carb-for-Auburn-model-8-98-/132312602934?hash=item1ece721936%3Ag%3AUhIAAOSwlnZZpzgM&vxp=mtr&nma=true&si=1cwbEqWYsgzEUNSXs67eru1rDZM%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stromberg-Carb-for-Auburn-model-8-98-/132312602934? Vintage Stromberg Carb for Auburn model 8-98 Parts Only $250.00 Buy It Now +$9.85 shipping Item condition:For parts or not working Item location:Walnut Creek, California, United States Was purchased as a spare for my Auburn Model 8-98 Speedster which has been sold. Never used. Was it this one? Described as for parts only, not working. Seller means it was never installed and used by the seller, so it was never verified whether this used part functioned well. That's how I read it. Not listed as NOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) You have to do your homework on this stuff.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARTER-YF-2071S-CARBURETOR-1954-KAISER-DARRIN-KAISER-FRAZER-KF-/122640955037?hash=item1c8df8769d%3Ag%3A3n8AAOSw0W1ZjG0j&nma=true&si=cclUdBPy82KN23xYIPmvDNJJOiE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 http://kfclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,10770.0.html I got burned for 120.00 . I called it the price of not knowing what I need or what is wrong with it.. Edited September 24, 2017 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 OK Curti, very easy. file a complaint in the resolution center with ebay. mail the check back or tear it up and go through ebay. they will give you your money back and one of the shipping charges. 2nd recourse is to file for a refund through paypal, which I assume you made payment through. finally, if all else fails, which it wont, you can have the charge removed from your credit card, which is on file with your paypal acct. then you will have recd the refund you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybottom Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 4 hours ago, nick8086 said: You have to do your homework on this stuff.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARTER-YF-2071S-CARBURETOR-1954-KAISER-DARRIN-KAISER-FRAZER-KF-/122640955037?hash=item1c8df8769d%3Ag%3A3n8AAOSw0W1ZjG0j&nma=true&si=cclUdBPy82KN23xYIPmvDNJJOiE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 http://kfclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,10770.0.html I got burned for 120.00 . I called it the price of not knowing what I need or what is wrong with it.. IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE SOME DISHONESTY HERE. I RESEARCHED THIS ITEM ON EBAY. IT WAS LISTED ONCE AND NOT SOLD. THEREFORE, THE STATEMENT ABOUT BEING BURNED FOR 120 IS MUCH LESS THAN BEING TRUTHFUL!!! DISHONESTY SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED HERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 53 minutes ago, rustybottom said: IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE SOME DISHONESTY HERE. I RESEARCHED THIS ITEM ON EBAY. IT WAS LISTED ONCE AND NOT SOLD. THEREFORE, THE STATEMENT ABOUT BEING BURNED FOR 120 IS MUCH LESS THAN BEING TRUTHFUL!!! DISHONESTY SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED HERE. This post has absolutely NOTHING to do with the original post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 7 hours ago, mike6024 said: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stromberg-Carb-for-Auburn-model-8-98-/132312602934?hash=item1ece721936%3Ag%3AUhIAAOSwlnZZpzgM&vxp=mtr&nma=true&si=1cwbEqWYsgzEUNSXs67eru1rDZM%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stromberg-Carb-for-Auburn-model-8-98-/132312602934? Vintage Stromberg Carb for Auburn model 8-98 Parts Only $250.00 Buy It Now +$9.85 shipping Item condition:For parts or not working Item location:Walnut Creek, California, United States Was purchased as a spare for my Auburn Model 8-98 Speedster which has been sold. Never used. Was it this one? Described as for parts only, not working. Seller means it was never installed and used by the seller, so it was never verified whether this used part functioned well. That's how I read it. Not listed as NOS. This is the carb. I have no problem with the condition if it was the correct carb, however ' Never used' is a bit misleading. All I want is the shipping cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I guess I'm just not getting it. Why does someone bitch on a forum about something not being right when THEY didn't do the right thing to rectify the problem in the first place. If you bought it thru eBay and have a problem go back thru eBay not just the seller. It's not hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 That is the first thing I did, no response from the seller or eBay. Finally I emailed the seller directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W_Higgins Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Did you execute the process I outlined in post #9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 That is exactly what I did. So Far no Response from ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W_Higgins Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 That is surprising to me because I was under the impression it is mostly an automated system with steps for each party to make. It has worked for me every time. You might check your messages on eBay rather than your email in the event something didn't come through, but at the very least if you formally opened a case for a return using the process I stated above, you should have a confirmation message. Once the process starts, it is like disputing a credit card charge. There are time limits and obligations to respond by each party and if a party fails on their part, default judgement is in the favor of he who fulfilled his obligation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Once you file a claim, the seller has a few days to respond. After they respond or don't and the time period lapses you can escalate it to a decision. They will then make a decision, often swiftly and almost always in favor of the buyer. Probably 99.9 Percent of the time, even if the item as as described. The way it's set up it's almost impossible to get burned as a buyer on Ebay. However quite easy as a seller to be burned by dishonest buyers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I can see that carb costing 20 to ship. That looks like an iron updraft that weighs probably close to 5 lbs especially with packing materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 USPS with insurance this was my cost. 09/13/2017 414597143 PM 9405803699300504036680 Y Account Charged $29.55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) I'm curious about how you found it was for a Studebaker or Chrysler. Was it something internal? I sell quite a few items on Ebay, when the urge hits me. There are long periods of time when the urge doesn't hit. Those usually follow a sale that didn't go well. I don't always know what I am selling. Sometimes I just buy a pile of parts or a car to strip out. I have been leisurely dismantling a 1929 Buick cut down doodle bug since spring. I'm not even sure it is a 1929. I think it is. At this point I am up about $50 after buying it, transporting it, Ebay fees, Paypal fees, shipping, with nor other efforts considered. I always identify what I took a part from, picture it clearly, and recommend the buyer verify through their own sources or questions to me. I don't want to sell someone the wrong part. And Ebay is really rough on sellers. I don't need that. There are easier ways to make money, but I feel like I am adding a bit to the hobby by bringing the stuff to market. I do it less now. It gets easier to put stuff at the curb for the junkies as seller demands and costs to sell get higher. More frequently I toss stuff or walk past a load of parts for sale. I am not dying for the work and cost of selling the stuff. And some gets junked. This instance reminded me of a pair of Packard vent window rubbers I bought. Not paying close attention to a mistake in the seller's description I bought a new pair from a stalled restoration for $58. They arrived, aw, nuts, wrong ones. I listed them correctly and got $140 for them. After fees and postage I netted $53.89. That is in my sales record from 2015. Wanna bet I'd have a slightly overpriced, rare, Studebaker or Chrysler carb for sale and open to offers? It's a hobby. It's a sport. Bernie Edited September 24, 2017 by 60FlatTop (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 1 hour ago, 60FlatTop said: I'm curious about how you found it was for a Studebaker or Chrysler. Was it something internal? In the casting UR2 is embrossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erichill Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Just my opinion. Forget the shipping costs, be glad you got your money back from the product and move on. Enough stress in my life that to me its not worth fighting and dealing with. But again that's just me. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 We are also saying to take it easy and let Ebay and Paypal do their jobs respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 That is significant documentation of the correct part. You certainly know more about the carb than the seller did. I would have asked him to verify it was the correct one. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vila Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 $20 could be correct. Is $20 what he charge or is that the actual shipping charge shown on the box you receives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 I have no Idea, it was shipped FedEx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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