Tire purchases - New York residents beware

[ex98thdrill]

Guys, just so everyone knows, the state of New York in it's infinate wisdom has now placed a tax of $2.50 for each tire to be used towards the disposal of old tires. I don't know about the other states, but in my case, I bought a new pickup Tuesday morning, and I had to pay an additional $12.50 (spare tire too) for a tire tax on my new truck. What will they think of next??

Not knowing what they'll do, this could affect our hobby as well. If someone chooses to go to the Dunkirk meet and buys tires from Coker/Universal Tire you may be forced to pay this additional tax. I don't know if this tax will apply if the tires are shipped to you. If someone from out of state chooses to buy tires while at Dunkirk swap meet in May, you may want to wait until Hershey.

[R W Burgess]

Pat, It's been $1.50 in Virginia for some time now, truck tires are $8.00! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> The tax might be the reason you see so many old tires on the on-ramps throughout the Virginia Interstate system. Farmers have a little known option of disposing of tires once a year at a designated "dump". Wayne

[Rick Hoover]

Pat,

Are you sure it is for tire disposal?

Pennsylvania has had a $1.00 per new tire fee for almost 10 years, if not longer now. As far as I know, it never had anything to do with tire disposal. Any disposal charge you'll pay in addition to who ever you take your vehicle to for mounting service and they dispose of your tires. The going rate here in my area is around $2.00 per tire. Our $1.00 new tire tax/fee goes to a state fund for road repair.

As for the antique tire vendors, they must collect the sales tax of that particular state they are selling in when on the road. I believe with this new additional tax of yours, they will be require to collect it when selling at shows in New York, as they must here in Pennsylvania. But why would a disposal fee be charged, when the old tires are not being collected at the car show?

As far as any interstate sales and shipping of antique tires go, so far no sales tax is required to be collected and I doubt this disposal tax will be any different. Maybe Eric from Universal Vintage Tire could respond better to this, just in case I'm wrong about this new tax of New York's.

Rick

[1937hd45]

There is no way get rid of a tire for $2.50, sure would be nice to find a way to recycle them.

[29 Chandler]

New ways are being found every year to recycle them. Here in Califorina they are used to make roads. A local news program just had a whole show about the used tire problem. Every year there are over 30 million tires disposed of in CA. One new way to recycle tires is to shred them and make a very fine mulch for the garden out of them. The mulch will last for years and does not change color, which they offer in brown not black.

When you look at the environmental problem that all of those used tires cause $2.50 per tire is cheap. It has to cost more than that to find a responisible way to reusue the material.

[6219_Rules]

Chris, how does that work as mulch? I am very interested in that! I have heard of them using shredded tires to lay road foundations which makes a lot of sense. Does it leach anything into the soil? Maybe we could start something like that in CO?

[Guest]

in Missouri you could cut the tire in two with a ban saw, and by law it was not a tire anymore....

the tire places had one in each shop.

[Dave@Moon]

Skyking recently posted this photo of an old trailer piled with about 100 old tires? I count about 75. Let's see, $200 trailer, $45 rental truck, 75 tires at $12.50 each, late night rest area.....

Crooks aren't necessarily stupid.

Illegal tire disposal was a <span style="font-weight: bold">HUGE</span> problem in the rural Pocono/anthracite regions in PA when I was an inspector there. We'd routinely find dumps of thousands of tires, and a 1 or 2 week tire fire was common. Don't ask about how much mosquito repellent I went through inspecting these (literal) dumps.

Recycling tires is (by volume) this countries biggest waste disposal problem. Tire recycling is at best a partial solution (unless there've been advances I don't know of since I left the business). You can extract useful oil/tars, carbon black and steel from processing them, but variable commodity markets don't make it a viable business venture in and of itself. That's why there are disposal fees, <span style="font-style: italic">and</span> why they vary greatly place to place and over time.

Tire mulch is fine. There are no environmental problems with it other than when used in fire-prone ares, which is not generally a problem. However, it looks like tire mulch. We've developed a society where visibly being concerned about the environment is considered a weakness. (Anybody care to count the number of times I've been ridiculed on this forum for driving a small, fuel efficient car?) In our country, real men spit creosote and stomp cute forest creatures for fun, otherwise what's a Chinese-made 3'x4' American flag decal on a Silverado for?

Until we get over our "Ahnold" problem, we'll be dealing with a whole host of things like this.

[Dave@Moon]

Somehow lost the attchment for Skyking's picture. Here it is.

<span style="font-weight: bold"> AND IT DOESN'T WORK! </span> See the thread: Does anyone have a spare?...

[Guest Hal Davis (MODEL A HAL)]

It's $4.00 per tire in GA, I think. Don't remember the amount for sure, but it IS considered a disposal fee. You have to pay it when you buy new tires, whether you dispose of the old tires there or not. Take one home for a tire swing, and you still pay the disposal fee. I suppose if they let you pass on the fee if you kept the tires, there would be a lot more of them on the side of the road and in the woods.

By the way Dave, I'd bet you have ridiculed a hell of a lot more people for driving big cars (trucks, SUV's....) than have ridiculed you for driving a small one. I don't care what others drive, so long as they can do it safely. Although, if I have to be tailgated, I suppose I'd rather it be a small car.

[Restorer32]

I grew up in Dad's tire shop, working there part time from about 1956 to 1970. We used to sell old tires at a nickle a piece to an area pig farmer who used them to fire his giant boiler in which he cooked wet garbage to feed the pigs. He had the garbage contract for Lancaster, PA and provided 5 gallon pails into which the residents were required to place their kitchen garbage, which he then cooked (by law) and fed to the porkers. We delivered a trailer load of tires a month to keep things cooking. Those pigs would eat almost anything except orange peels. He would have a feedlot with 10,000 piglets and all you would see was mud, pigs, and orange peels. He became a millionaire several times over. We bought a 1924 Cadillac from him but that's a different story. Surely anyone from the Lancaster, Pa area will remember Grim's Piggery.

[R W Burgess]

Hey Jeff, Didn't you leave out something that was all mixed up in that "mud" you were talking about? Imagine, a system like that and the government thinks they can improve upon it. I don't remember any "tire fires" back in the 60's and 70's. Wonder why that was? <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Wayne

[48LCCOUPE]

In Floriduh, it's $1.00 per tire when puchase of new tire or new vehicle. $2.00 when turning in tires so a net of $3.00 per tire if you pulled into a tire store, bought new tires and left your old ones for them to dispose of.

The story of the pig farmers tires was missing something. Steel belts.

Now they have a machine that rips the steel belt out of the tire, mix the remaining compound with chemicals and pounding a bit and end up with a foam

like substance used for playgrounds, state parks and ground cover. The money charged won't cover the expense but the generous Fla taxpayers supplement the rest. Some money for this effort is also obtained or was by an impact fee on vehicles entering the state from somewhere else thus causing a net add to the vehicle population.

We used to cook a garbage stew for our pigs too, but I think we fueled with wood mostly.

Can't take tires to the dump because the suckers just won't stay buried!

A strange mixture of chewed up tires and broken glass is used in some areas for roadways.

for all those clear hooters fans, replace above tire(s) with tyre(s)

[Guest Skyking]

I remember back in the 70's, we used to take an old tire, cut a scallop around it and make a planter out of it for the front yard. The only thing it had to be mounted on the rim.....

[1937hd45]

Restorer32, Thank you for the pig farm story. If you look at the cowl section of the 1952 Indy 500 winner you will see a pig waving a flag. Car owner J.C.Agajanian was a successful pig farmer, must have been a large farm,the pigs were feed the leftovers from the city of Los Angeles.

[Dave@Moon]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> By the way Dave, I'd bet you have ridiculed a hell of a lot more people for driving big cars (trucks, SUV's....) than have ridiculed you for driving a small one. I don't care what others drive, so long as they can do it safely. </div></div>

I never ridiculed SUV drivers. I was and probably will be one again. I ridiculed waste. From the very beginning of that discussion after 9/11 I was very clear to state that using an SUV as a personal car instead of as an off-road vehicle (for which there are many legitimate uses) is an idiotic waste. It's wasteful to use any item for purposes that it was not intended. You can be wasteful driving a 60 mpg Toyota Prius if you only use it drive to the end of your (statistically average) driveway to pick up the mail.

As for big cars, if you need one I've never criticized them. In fact I recall recently reccommending families drive mini-vans (how earth shattering!).

Where this gets sticky is when people think they have to excerize their rights or they'll lose them. That argument <span style="font-style: italic">may</span> hold for many things (depending on how many eyes one may see peering out from the bushes at night ). But when that action is stupid/detrimental/or contrary to self-interest, having the right to do it doesn't change that. As Americans we have the right to pick our noses on TV, pass gas during communiuon, and have adulterous sex with our 22 year old intern. That we are within our rights to do so <span style="font-weight: bold">will never</span> <span style="font-style: italic">de facto</span> be a reasonable argument to procede with those actions.

Yet driving a Civic or a Cavalier is somehow more personally revulsive than any of the acts I just desribed to far too many American males. They feel they deserve "more". That's our <span style="font-style: italic">Ahnold</span> problem.

[ex98thdrill]

I don't know Rick. The salesman said it was for tire disposal and I'm going by what I was told. I have no documentation proving or disproving the statement. All is know is that on my bill of sale it shows "tire tax" for $12.50, and when I quesitoned it, that's all I was told. $12.50 isn't a whole lot of money, but it seems as though every time you turn around, New York State is always coming up with another lame method of making us pay more money in taxes. I got a good enough deal on the truck to where $12.50 won't break me, it's just the principle of it.

[KRK Sr.]

To everyone coming to Philadelphia next week, Use the city buses???? The $1.00 tax we add to all new tires sold in PA ,( for the last 10 years),is for the bail out of the Phila. Transit Authority. Thus the name PTA Tax shown on any of your tire purchases. I have always felt it was very unfair for the whole state to pay to keep the buses and trollys running in Philadelphia!! . Just one more way we who live in the "Land of taxes" (Penna) keep the cost of city living affordable for the many years to come...! Karl

[Rick Hoover]

Pat,

I wouldn't want to swap with New Yorks taxes. As a vendor years ago, I remember all to well what it was like collecting sales tax at both Rhinebeck and Dunkirk. Even the New York residents didn't want to pay it, let alone the others from the surrounding states and Canada. I believe Dutchess County was at 8 1/4% back then. Least PA. is still at 6% after all these years. Anyways, after reading some of these other posts, I guess it very well is a disposal tax you have. I am still curious to know if it will be collected at flea markets with antique tire sales.

Karl,

I did not know that about the PTA. That's interesting! I had always believed the money I collected for the PA Tax Fee years ago, went straight to Harrisburg and fed the old CAT fund.

Rick

[KRK Sr.]

Rick, Phila. and Pittsburgh pay 07% Sales tax. Here in the midstate we pay .06%. I understand our Gov. wants to take the fee to .07% statewide. As for the old CAT fund, we still are paying that off too, and for many years to come. Be in a District Justice office for any speeding, or other moving fine and you will see $35 added to any fine to work that balance down. Stay away from tickets and you don't help pay for that one! Karl

[ex98thdrill]

Myself and several others who live in the upstate area have always felt that our tax dollars go to New York city, and that very little of it stayed upstate. A large majority of the NYS politicians are from the NYC / Long Island area which usually results in very poor representation. Granted the population in that area is greater, but the money doesn't seem to filter up our way. This has even become even more of an issue since September 11, 2001. The entire state will be paying for a long, long time to be able to get caught up with all of the expense of the overtime created to clean up that mess, and we still haven't even gotten into the rebuilding.

[R W Burgess]

Karl, What's the CAT fund? I've already contributed a few times.Wayne

[nearchoclatetown]

Karl, sometime you are going to have to tell us about that moving violation. A friend has a car business and has collected thousands of tires over the years and used them as a fence for the junk yard. He was told by the state,Pa., that he had to get rid of them. Through a connection of mine I hooked him up with a Co. our state poured tons of $$$$ into to recycle tires. They make playground mulch for under swings and marygorounds. They sell the mulch, but they also wanted him to pay them to take his tires. They wanted him to wash every tire and stack them in their box trailer, then pay $400 for each trailer load.. Rick, I thought I had read somewhere the Pre-tax was for research into recycling tires, maybe not. How about our state funds being used to build a recycling center in Derry Township but only Derry residence can take stuff there? Guess that's another story.

[Rick Hoover]

Karl, you're right. I forgot about Phila. and Pittsburgh at 7%. And, I'll take your word on that about speeding, as I never do, but I do know first hand that they tack it on for driving with a expired tag coming out of the gate at Spring Carlisle!

Wayne, It's the CATastrophic Loss Benifit Continuation Fund. And that's more than I care to know about it or understand it.

Doug, who knows where the money actually goes. Like I said earlier, I always thought it went for state highway repairs funded out of the CAT fund. It wouldn't surprise me if some of it trickled down to the Derry Township recycling center and a certain new arena we know also. Do you know off hand the name of that tire recycling center in Rheems? Or is that who you are talking about?

Rick

[KRK Sr.]

Wayne, For a short time the State of Penna. got into the manditory min. "medical" auto insurance business, thinking they could do it better and cheaper and give everyone some coverage for "Cat"astrophic health problems caused by autos colliding with each other. Within a short period of time the red ink was so big, the state stopped the coverage. The last time I saw the unpaid total it was over $200,000,000.00. At $35 per speeding ticket it will take a long time to pay this thing off.

Doug, As for me contributing... not yet!!!

As for recycling tires and the cost, I am just glad I have 2 different recyclers who stop at the shop to take them. One is 25 cents cheaper than the other, but at $2 each... I am glad they are gone. He tells me they fill a tractor-trailer, and then take them to a grinding, burning, power plant here in the state. They pay by the ton, so no water in them is important, because it adds 8 pounds to the gallon. Karl

[KRK Sr.]

Rick, IT was my understanding these monies are just a paper shuffle when they get to the state. The state paid the Cat fund bills, so the monies go to a ledger against the balance, then fall into the general fund to go to.....

The place in Rheems is where my tires end up,in smoke. ( but I can't remember the name) Karl

[Rick Hoover]

Karl,

Is it Ken Wise who picks up your tires? He's a old friend of mine.

Rick

[KRK Sr.]

Rick, I use Howards tire disp. (Harrisburg) and Penn Tire from Dallastown. Not sure of any of the drivers names. Karl

[R W Burgess]

Thanks guys! Sounds like more info then I need. I'll slow down in Pa. next week. Wayne

[29 Chandler]

Randall,

I have not tried it myself yet but here is a website for a company that makes such a product.

anericanrubber.com

Have a look. They make alot of useful products from old tires!

Chris

[nearchoclatetown]

Rick, the name was Dodge- Regipold, not sure of the spelling. A friend works, well is employed, by the state to give $$$ to worthy businesses. Forget it I've been trying for years. D-R is owned by euros, maybe german, get paid to take tires, get paid for their product, and get state aid, too.

[Guest]

Dave, you're not "worthy" because you don't belong to any organized special intrerest group. ~ hvs

[6219_Rules]

Thank you, Chris. I will check them out.

[Guest imported_SKYSTHELIMIT]

Sweeping lots I find lots of tires on lots all the time. What we do is pick them up and set them by the dumpsters behind the stores. Then we call the property managers and upon approval we send day crew out in the pickups to pick them up at $25 a tire. Another guy rolls by our shop and picks them up for free. Don't know what he does with them but he is the same guy who we get the tires for the sweepers from.

Kinda strange that some stores will pay $25 a tire though as they have their own tire battery and oil change shops. They could just pick them up themselves and not pay our fees.

Don't know if it's true or not but now that I live in Pen Argyl PA I've been told that Waste Management the local dump will pick up anything that Pen Argyl residents throw out to try and keep the locals happy. That includes car tires, batteries, refrigerant systems and even old motor oil. Although I have to say I've never seen anyone throw out anything like that. However I have seen lots of construction rubish from people working on a house and large peices of furnature including refrigeraters.

[nearchoclatetown]

Hey Sky, how 'bout directions to Pen Argyl, I'm on my way with a truck load?

[Restorer32]

By contract our local trash pick up people take 1 tire/week/household. Incinerator incinerates them along with everything else.

[jaxops]

Hey- just a note on tire recycling. Starting in the 1980s, schools and companies making playground equipment, as well as many city parks, use the shredded tires as a ground cover for playgrounds to reduce injuries.

Also- a note on the PA "Catastrophic insurance" and other ploys to separate you from your money....if you have Classic or Antique plates in Pennsylvania (unsure of the rules elsewhere on this) it states "that there are no additional fees" on the titling and permanent registration. That means that these additional charges cannot be made against a Classic/Antique car in PA. It worked when I copied my registration papers and sent it in without a check back in the 1980s to PENNDOT. It goes to show that you need to know where you stand on these things.

[DizzyDale]

Dear Pat At least you get something for the 2.50.Heard Friday the latest from Albany,A 2.00 per seat tax on all pro sporting events.Guess if you got the dough to fork out 75.00 for a Bills or Sabres game whats an EXTRA 2.00,Albanys thinking NOT mine.Sounds to me like its getting to be time for a TEA party. diz

[1937hd45]

Dale,Ever wonder why jock stadiums are built with taxpayer money, but every NASCAR track in the counrty was built with the owners money?

[Dave@Moon]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dale,Ever wonder why jock stadiums are built with taxpayer money, but every NASCAR track in the counrty was built with the owners money? </div></div>

Because in "jock stadiums" (not for lack of trying) there are still bits and pieces of the contestants, venue, event titles, video media screen surface area, support staff, grounds crew, medical personnel, owner's wardrobe, and spectators' wardrobe that've somehow survived without a <span style="font-style: italic">complete</span> obliteration of advertizing? Just a thought.