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  1. I would be VERY happy if this were a national policy, and not just in Florida. I don't know any other state that makes this exemption, but I sure hope there are others. Also I hope that this exemption applies to tags from other states, i.e. a registered antique just visiting FL. BTW, I find it hard to believe that there are "lines of folks" buying this gas just for the purposes stated in the law, at least not on a regular basis. If Ray's description is accurate, I think this outlet may be asking for trouble.
  2. If they're filling road vehicles with marine gas don't expect it to last long, especially if it's as well known as you say. Avoiding the fuel tax is illegal, and in Florida it is outright against the law period to sell gasoline with less than 9% ethanol for motor vehicle use. ( Isn't it illegal for stations to sell non-ethanol fuel? | TBO.com )
  3. I'm glad this thread came back up. I was recently reading a thread ( Olds and Pontiac Police Cars found during a google search) on the GM Inside News site. I was reminded that at this time the Pittsburgh Police also used Oldsmobile 88s as police cars, to the same effect. An internet search for a picture of either one was fruitless. They are conspicuously absent. It was during this time (1988-1992) that I was the hazardous waste inspector for the PA Dept. of Environmental Resources for the City of Pittsburgh area, and twice inspected the City Maintenance Garage for these cars. It was amazi
  4. This site claims to be European (probably either German or Russian), but nearly every link in it winds up with forum comments on a Hong Kong University's web site ( Hong Kong Shue Yan University ). I tried to use babelfish ( Yahoo! Babel Fish - Text Translation and Web Page Translation ) to translate the links that purport to comment on the safety aspects of this process. All of them translated into gibberish (usually food related), whether translated from simple Chinese, traditional Chinese, Japanese, or Korean. Why these supporting documents were listed in a forum section, rather than in
  5. What you are talking about is called cellulosic ethanol, which is ethanol made from the whole of any plant. That is the ultimate goal of the building ethanol infrastructure in the U.S. When achieved any rapidly growing plant can be used, and species used will be chosen based on local conditions. It might be tobbaco, it might be sawgrass, it might be kudzu, etc. When cellulosic ethanol becomes a reality it is expected to rival sugar cane ethanol processes for energy production efficiency. Presently corn-based processes make 2.3 BTUs for every BTU expended (up from 1.76 BTUs 6 years ago). C
  6. Ooops. I made a mistake. Ethanol is blended at precisely 5.6% in gasoline when used as an oxygenate only, not "substantially less than 5%" as I stated. I had the wrong figure in mind when I wrote the post. Even a public servant with brains can misspeak on occasion.
  7. A few points: "High aromatic fuels" refer to fuels based primarily on benzene compounds instead of carbon chain molecules. It has nothing to do with ethanol. Allowable ethanol levels in gasoline were set at a maximum of 10% in the late 1970s under President Carter, not under either President Bush. Oxygenate levels in fuel were set under G.H.W. Bush in the early 1990s, ethanol being an acceptable oxygenate. (It's now the dominant oxygenate now that the Haliburton-sourced push for MTBE has run it's course.) However those levels (in areas where oxygenated fuels are required) are well below 5%
  8. I did three years in Iowa (1980-1983) going through graduate school at Iowa State. At the time I was driving a 1960 Ford Falcon. Iowa had passed tax credits the previous year (1979), as I understand several states had in the "corn belt", which made "gasohol" cheaper than "real gas" (something otherwise impossible then and now). Only the comparatively rare Conoco stations where I lived did not use 10% ethanol. I ran up 35,000+ miles on E10 in Iowa using that car, and never noticed any major negative effects. I did notice that my Falcon would frequently stall out once on hot days when rest
  9. There's no argument there, however cars are a special case. You run whatever you want in a boat or lawn mower. It is a Federal offense (not to mention breaking state laws) to fuel a road going vehicle with fuels that are not taxed for it. If you consider 10% ethanol too much, it is already critical. It won't be long before even 10% ethanol gas starts to decline in availability. Knowing what I do about efforts in this area, I'll be surprised if "gas" with only 10% ethanol is the primary fuel available in even just 10 years. If you go through the pure-gas.org web site you'll see that alre
  10. Lawn mowers and other small engine tools are the main reason I expect to see gas in cans for sale before too long. Also corn based ethanol is not now and never was viewed as a long term proposition, and therefore wasn't a "mistake". It is a transition fuel to more appropriate ethanol sources (most likely algae, sawgrass, and other fast growing plants {possibly kudzu}). As corn is supplanted by these sources the infrastructure for large scale ethanol use will already be in place. If corn were not used it would have been much harder to incorporate ethanol in the fuel stream in meaningful amou
  11. Gasahol = E10 = 10% ethanol = virtually all of the gas we currently have and ever will have until even that is replaced by something. It is also virtually the only fuel that's been available in several midwestern states since 1979. There are large areas in this country that have nearly no memory for 2 generations of 100% "pure", crude oil derived gasoline. There is no doubt that ethanol is a problem in old cars, and must be dealt with on several levels to avoid problems. Those problems are endemic to carbureted fuel systems, which simply haven't existed in any form in cars or light trucks
  12. A dubious web site discussed here several times, most specifically here: http://forums.aaca.org/f120/found-online-list-stations-selling-ethanol-295701.html .
  13. That was taken during the 2008 Six-Pack TRials at Townsend, TN. We had about 70 or so Triumphs on that tour.:cool:
  14. ...but this is the best picture I have. It was taken in Sept. 2008 while negotiating the Tail of the Dragon ( Tail of the Dragon at Deals Gap, motorcycle and sport car two lane tourism serving Tail of the Dragon at Deals Gap, Cherohala Skyway, Moonshiner28, Devils Triangle, and Six Gap North Georgia. ) at the Tennessee/North Carolina border. It was an awesome day.:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
  15. I'm afraid my 1975 TR6 is a pretty average driver. I have a 1970 that I'm going to restore that'll be a lot better. That photo was taken on the first day's tour at the 6_Pack TRials last year. This was taken on the next day's tour last year ( Home - triumphtrialss jimdo page! ), in a nature preserve that used to be a nuclear weapons facility.:cool:
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