Large brass era touring car

[Leif in Calif]

Help please... Brass era is not my expertise.. I notice it has a flat tire, but don't see a spare. 

[keiser31]

Has that 1912 Buick look to it.

[modela28]

I think it is earlier than 1912 since it doesn't have doors, maybe 1909 or 1910.

[PFindlay]

I'd say 1910 or so.  Interesting to note that it has both a carbide generator and a Prestolite tank.  They must have upgraded and left the generator there.  Maybe that's why the spare tire was removed.  I suspect if you showed up on a tour with that dual setup you'd get some questions or raised eyebrows.

 

Here's a closeup.  There are some features that may allow someone to ID the car.  The control rods running alongside the steering column, the rear door/fender/splash apron shapes, hubcaps/wheels, lights ...

 

[Soupiov]

It may have been set up for an after market acetylene starter system.  They could have used the bottle for starting and the generator for lamps.  I have parts of such a system but could never put a complete set up together.

[Layden B]

White trim around the radiator core makes me think Stearns.

[modela28]

I don't believe it is a Stearns because the "White Line" around the radiator was much more prominent as in the photo below and the radiator had a rounded shape to the top.  Plus, the Stearns was chain drive and this car does not appear to be.

[Leif Holmberg]

How about 1910 EMF

[modela28]

1 hour ago, Leif Holmberg said:

How about 1910 EMF

That was one of my thoughts too, but I don't think the fenders, rear doors or other details match. There is a script on the top tank of the radiator in the OP, but I can't make it out.  

[oldford]

1911 EMF, Note the horizontal molding on the rear doors... This unrestored one belongs to Tom Laferriere in Rhode Island...

 

[modela28]

6 minutes ago, oldford said:

1911 EMF, Note the horizontal molding on the rear doors... This unrestored one belongs to Tom Laferriere in Rhode Island...

 

I do agree the molding on the upper part of the rear door is similar.  However, there are still, in my view, several details on the EMF pictured above that are different from the OP.   For example, he rear door where it meets the rear fender, the shape of the bottom of the rear door, the hood hinge, the bead on the upper part of the hood, the steering column, etc. are all different .  Also, the OP shows external contracting brakes and the EMF looks to have internal expanding brakes.  Just my opinion.  I may be wrong. 

[30sclassics]

Attached are some photos of a 1909 Buick Model 19.  There are only minor differences from the O.P.  Note especially the match of the sheet metal cover over the front of the rear spring.  I found one photo which had the rear door molding at the very same height as the O.P.

[modela28]

2 hours ago, 30sclassics said:

Attached are some photos of a 1909 Buick Model 19.  There are only minor differences from the O.P.  Note especially the match of the sheet metal cover over the front of the rear spring.  I found one photo which had the rear door molding at the very same height as the O.P.

I had also looked at the same pictures you've shown here thinking the OP might be a Model 19 Buick.

[PFindlay]

I think the lack of control rods running alongside the steering column rules out the Model 19 Buick.  Another very small detail to note in the OP is the support for the front roof bow.  It has quite an 'S'  curve to it while the Buick's is almost a right angle.

 

I thought I was very close with a 1909-10 Oakland 40 but it has a louvered hood.

[modela28]

8 hours ago, PFindlay said:

I think the lack of control rods running alongside the steering column rules out the Model 19 Buick.  Another very small detail to note in the OP is the support for the front roof bow.  It has quite an 'S'  curve to it while the Buick's is almost a right angle.

 

I thought I was very close with a 1909-10 Oakland 40 but it has a louvered hood.

Peter, I think you are correct with 1909 Oakland.  The first  picture below shows all of the correct details that match the OP:  fenders, radiator, hood, rear doors, etc.  The second picture shows a different Oakland touring, but with the control rod attached to the steering column as in the OP.

Edited December 3, 2022 by modela28 (see edit history)

[oldford]

12 hours ago, modela28 said:

 Also, the OP shows external contracting brakes and the EMF looks to have internal expanding brakes.  Just my opinion.  I may be wrong. 

I agree, there are some differences between the original photo and the one of the EMF. You could look at two different photos of 1911 EMF and see differences. Probably not unlike many makes of the time. Just for clarification the EMF had two brake systems. Internal expanding shoes operated by the hand brake and external contracting operated by the foot pedal.

 

Frank

[modela28]

9 minutes ago, oldford said:

Just for clarification the EMF had two brake systems. Internal expanding shoes operated by the hand brake and external contracting operated by the foot pedal.

Thanks for the clarification!

[Oldtech]

Re the spare tire. If you look in the tool box under the front seat there will be a pair of tire irons and a patching kit. 😁

[28 Chrysler]

2 hours ago, Oldtech said:

Re the spare tire. If you look in the tool box under the front seat there will be a pair of tire irons and a patching kit. 😁

Look at the front right tire and you will see why you don't see a spear.

[Ariejan NL]

It's a 1910 Oakland model K40 touring. If you like, you can buy one almost exactly like the old one including a repaired right front tire : https://treasuredcars.com/classic_cars_for_sale/details/1910-oakland-model-k-40hp-classic-cars-for-sale_669