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  1. No, not Reo, but a 1905 Queen model E. Although very Reo-ish, some details just don't fit like the hood which is placed much more forward (leaving only a short part of the front springs visible); the straight rail across the dashboard; and the wheel hubs. Compare the car with the uploaded ad from the Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal and convince yourself.
  2. Wayne, thank you for your kind words. Indeed many people know me only by name: I travel more in time than in space, so normally I am 'working' from home. If necessary I am always approachable by e-mail and many people contact me in this way. Car identification on photos of the brass era is my specialty, both in Europe and in America, a combination with many advantages. For some time now I follow the AACA Whatisit pages on a regular basis, and I'll help wherever I can.
  3. This is one of those photos which seem so easy, but turn out not to be and then become some sort of obsession. As it is my experience with American cars that everything has to fit, we are looking for a car with: 10 spoke wheels front with 10 bolts; a connecting rod in front of the front axle; rather flat front springs; this type of front fenders with straight front end; a Mercedes-type hood with medium height filler tube; a footboard with steep incline towards the dash; a touring body with a central body line. This search of course took a while (i.e. many hours), and just when I thought about giving up this car came by: a 1908 Premier model 30. All details fit except that the rear fender seems to be slightly more curved at the end, but that could be an optical illusion. I attached an example of the 1908 model 30, quality not so well because it comes from the yearly make and model overview as published in the Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal (March 1908 p.45), so rather small images. The front part of the car is better seen on the other 1908 Premier image, a special with a different body (Motor Age, 3 Sept. 1908 p.3).
  4. Yes, of course you're right. Ca 1911/1912 seems to be a much better date. Fits with the Mitchell tie rod/front axle arrangement, and with the Hudson.
  5. Cadillac with these scripts on the wheelhubs seems improbable. Better option would be Buick, I suppose.
  6. The photo must have been taken around 1908. All recognizable cars are different, so the event possibly was some kind of club tour. Starting on the left of the main picture we see probably a Hudson (the triangular badge is vaguely visible on the top of the radiator shell), followed by a Mitchell (oval light badge). The large speedster is a Thomas Flyer, followed by a Packard. The car on the extreme right seems to be an Oakland.
  7. I do not believe they are correct. A problem of course is that the complete body including hood and radiator has been a coachbuilder's job, probably by the earlier mentioned Nordberg. I uploaded the Norberg Mors image too and you will notice the similarity of body and hood with your car. What normally remains original of course are chassis and wheels. The rear springs with C- and half elliptic spring combination were used by Berliet and not by Benz (who used a half elliptic spring with outward bent dumb iron). Moreover you will notice the similarity between the wheel of a 1913 Berliet and the wheel on you car: if you compare these you can almost read the text on the wheel of your car. Also you can compare the wheel with a Benz wire wheel of the same period and you will notice the difference in wiring system.
  8. Uploaded an image of a Berliet with a similar shark nose front during the Swedish Summer Trials of 1913. Although it is not the same car as in the mystery picture (different front fenders and windshield, artillery wheels), my impression is that the wheel hubs of the mystery car are more Berliet- than Benz-like. Also the rest of the body is very similar to the Berliet. The shark nose front definitely doesn't have a French origin. Could the coachbuilder have been Nordberg? On the site coachbuild.com a Mors can be found with a slightly different type of shark nose, but similar in appearance.
  9. The car is a 1909/1910 Oldsmobile model DR Flying Roadster. Oldsmobile type hup caps, flattened hood top, hand grip on the hood and controls just under the steering wheel are the main identifying features.
  10. The car is a Cole 1917 Eight model 861 Tuxedo foursome. Image from the Library of Philadelphia Digital Collections. There is one small difference and that is the downward curve of the boot, which seems to be better proportioned in your case than in the original model! Or is it just a matter of photographic angle?
  11. It seems that Rambler was the first make to introduce the sedan on the American market end of 1911. In Automobile Topics the body was described as an inside drive four-passenger coupe, but in a Rambler's advert of early 1912 it is praised as the cheap alternative for the chauffeur driven limousine. Again the similarity of the bodywork with your body is obvious. Remarkable is of course the asymmetric window configuration because of the different position of the entrance doors.
  12. Before the first World War in the USA this type of body was called an inside-drive limousine, at some point around 1914 they started to be called sedan. A front door for the driver and a center door on the other side for the passengers was the common configuration. Added a 1912 Auburn limousine with quite similar looks. Normally every body style in the USA was very specific for each make, so it could be that your limousine body was used on an Auburn before, but I have not enough examples of other makes to be sure.
  13. The car is probably a 1918 Buick. Still with right hand steering for obvious reasons, whereas in the US all Buicks used left hand steering from about 1914.
  14. This body looks a bit like the body by Phénix, presented at the Paris Salon of 1912. The chassis was different, which was Bellanger. Your car certainly is somewhat later, 1914 or maybe already 1919, looking at the body style, the electric (side) lights and the closed wheels. I have no idea of the make at the moment, though.
  15. Many electric cars hardly changed shape during almost a decade, so that makes a search difficult. However I'm now pretty sure now that we see a 1909 or 1910 Woods Queen Victoria roadster, based on several details like side steering lever, high front trunk, spring shape, side lamp shape and some more. So not as old as you would expect, but still at least 4 years old when this photo was taken!
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