oldford Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 For those of you who are a bit amazed by all the technical diagrams, Here is a ladder diagram... 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Yes, a ladder diagram for a vehicle with only 8 loads. I assume two headlamps, two parking lamps, two taillamps and two brake lights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Frank DuVal said: Yes, a ladder diagram for a vehicle with only 8 loads. I assume two headlamps, two parking lamps, two taillamps and two brake lights. This slow moving vehicle, if anything, would have had head lights to see at night and one tail lamp as tractors of the 1950's did. Also instrument panel lights to see the gages. No parking or brake lights. No signals. It was pushed behind with a bulldozer to load it so unless the lights in the rear were well protected they would have been broken in no time in the rough enviorment. It has air brakes. No spring brakes like a modern road tractor so it will roll without air pressure. Need to stop with no brakes! Just drop the bowl. 🤓 Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 More Rolls Royce wiring. Getting toward the end. 74 Hours in this job to date. Wires that feed the headlights. All those beautiful colored wires that go the the Distribution Box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 New wires under the dash. Extra lenths of wire on the seat and on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 The wires are all pulled though the conduit. Whew! 😅 More new wire on the floor. Wires for the Switch box pulled threw the fire wall to connect to the Disturbution box. Every wire end has been soldered also. Ignition switch now under the dash and connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 Here's the pile of old wire that I pulled out. Must be at least a country miles worth. The switch is in the dash panel as it should be. A mile stone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 Distribution Box getting full. Back at finishing these connections on Friday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsmoke Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 What a challenging job, nice work.. I notice in a couple of the recent photos a bundle of 6 wires or so coming through the firewall into area under dash in a fairly tight hole. Were these initially sheathed or otherwise protected from abrasion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 British engineering. Never use 1 wire when 5 will work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Dandy Dave said: Distribution Box getting full. Back at finishing these connections on Friday. Best looking part of that beauty. Light at the end of the tunnel. But the tunnel is marked Beware Lucas ahead! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 At least it’s not a train! dave s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Gunsmoke said: What a challenging job, nice work.. I notice in a couple of the recent photos a bundle of 6 wires or so coming through the firewall into area under dash in a fairly tight hole. Were these initially sheathed or otherwise protected from abrasion? The wires are enclosed in a flex pipe tube that is under the dash and goes between the Switch Box and the Fire Wall as seen in the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, SC38dls said: At least it’s not a train! dave s We have a plaque on the wall here that say's. Oh, Look here. 🤪 Edited September 8, 2022 by Dandy Dave (see edit history) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 The left side of the ladder would be considered L1 but using the right hand rule on the hot side might result in an unbalanced load. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 The firewall conduit is installed. What a PITA. 😬 To many zigzags. Too much stuff in the way. Too many say "old stuff is easy to work on." Phewy. 😵 It took hours to get it right but like Prego, It's in there. 😜 All them little wires tucked in like a bug snug in a rug. I slept well last night knowing all was right with the old Rolls. 🧐 Dandy Dave! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 A few more photos of the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 5:14 AM, Dandy Dave said: The wires are all pulled though the conduit. Whew! 😅 More new wire on the floor. Wires for the Switch box pulled threw the fire wall to connect to the Disturbution box. Every wire end has been soldered also. Ignition switch now under the dash and connected. Ay Chihuahua! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Congratulations !!!!🎈 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Knowing nothing about electrical things and not wishing to see any cars burn up in the ensuing fire is running the wires in conduit a fire prevention feature other brands just couldn't afford to offer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Looks like Wiremold to me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 DD, You do very nice work! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 19 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Knowing nothing about electrical things and not wishing to see any cars burn up in the ensuing fire is running the wires in conduit a fire prevention feature other brands just couldn't afford to offer? Not so sure it would prevent a fire Bob. A wire could still short on a sharp edge. Get hot and start other wires on fire. Especially if the short was full on power. That is why we have fuses for all but a few necessary wires like the main feed from the battery to the Distribution Box. It would burn slower, but it could still burn. Dandy Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 Looky there. Them wires is finally behaving and where they belong. 😁 The owner says I could spend a month at confession for my potty mouth if I was a Catholic to get them wires they way they needed to be. 😬 It sure looks nice with the cover on. Dandy Dave! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) Anyone ever seen a rectangle signal flasher? All the years I have worked on stuff this is my first one shaped like this. All the ones I have seen are either two prong or three prong round. This one clearly has, "Signal Stat" stamped in it. Edited September 11, 2022 by Dandy Dave (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) That box looks nice covered or not covered. The owner should bless your hands, your skills and your potty mouth for such a good job, catholic or not! dave s Edited September 11, 2022 by SC38dls (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) Having gone through this recently with my 1936 Chrysler, I can honestly say that I would MUCH rather do my Chrysler than your Rolls Royce. 🙂 By the way, putting my electrical engineering hat on for a moment, I would recommend that you reroute any wire where the insulation of the wire is touching (under compression) the bare metal from another wire, such as the yellow wire and green wire in the image below. If the wires are cloth covered teflon, the cloth can abrade and the teflon can cold flow, creating a short. Yes, it will take a combination of time and/or vibration for this to occur, but if you want this wiring to last without failure, now is the time to correct these issues. Good Luck and nice job! Joe Edited September 11, 2022 by Professor (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 12, 2022 Author Share Posted September 12, 2022 16 hours ago, Professor said: Having gone through this recently with my 1936 Chrysler, I can honestly say that I would MUCH rather do my Chrysler than your Rolls Royce. 🙂 By the way, putting my electrical engineering hat on for a moment, I would recommend that you reroute any wire where the insulation of the wire is touching (under compression) the bare metal from another wire, such as the yellow wire and green wire in the image below. If the wires are cloth covered teflon, the cloth can abrade and the teflon can cold flow, creating a short. Yes, it will take a combination of time and/or vibration for this to occur, but if you want this wiring to last without failure, now is the time to correct these issues. Good Luck and nice job! Joe I was thinking just that a few days ago. I'll take a second look now. Thanks, Dandy Dave! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 12, 2022 Author Share Posted September 12, 2022 The correct dash lights are mounted. Just waiting for bulbs. Dandy Dave! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 12, 2022 Author Share Posted September 12, 2022 The clock was sent to a horologist, cleaned up, and is running like a White sewing machine. The dash board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Hmmm. Must be the locale. Around here things run like a Singer Sewing Machine!😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 Front lights are installed. The side lights had rust in the connecting bolts, nuts, and hardware. I had to take them completely apart and clean all connecting hardware to insure a good ground. Rear lights will be delt with today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) More light photos. I have the dippers sorted. The lights dip opposite of what they would here. They dip down and to the left rather than down and to the right. That makes it correct for a car that spent the first half of it's life in London and around the English countryside. Right hand drive automobiles and lorries, and left hand driven roads don't you know. Dandy Dave! Edited September 13, 2022 by Dandy Dave (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dandy Dave said: More light photos. I have the dippers sorted. The lights dip opposite of what they would here. They dip down and to the left rather than down and to the right. That makes it correct for a car that spent the first half of it's life in London and around the English countryside. Interesting, as owner's handbooks for many British cars still labeled the high beam switch a 'dipper switch' even though the headlights no longer physically moved. Craig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 21 hours ago, Frank DuVal said: Hmmm. Must be the locale. Around here things run like a Singer Sewing Machine!😀 Edinmass would also confess that the White is all around smoother running and more power that the Singer. 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dandy Dave said: Edinmass would also confess that the White is all around smoother running and more power that the Singer. 😁 And rather insulting, considering White made sewing machines!! Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 And Singer made "stuff" for the space program and other terrestrial projects.👍 Just not vehicles or small engines. Husqvarna makes small engines in addition to sewing machines. Wait, the topic is drifting. I'll have to get a boat anchor. Great work on those front lights!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Frank DuVal said: And Singer made "stuff" for the space program and other terrestrial projects.👍 Just not vehicles or small engines. Husqvarna makes small engines in addition to sewing machines. Singer became a huge holding company where by the end of the 1970's the sewing machine division became a mere speck in their product portfolio, and was no longer profitable enough to please the shareholders. They sold the sewing machine division around that time, and through a series of buyouts and mergers since that time, I believe the sewing machine part of Singer is now part of Husqvarna's as well as the remnants of White's sewing machine division. To keep it 'on topic', I have seen power window switches in early 80's Ford products that were made by Singer. Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Wasn’t there a Singer automobile in the UK? dave s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Yes. Through 1970 or so. No relation to Singer Sewing Machines, though. They became part of the Rootes Group in their later years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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