AB-Buff Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 hours ago, kar3516 said: “…caused restrictions and bubbles and all kinds of things in the sediment bowl.” If there is trash or debris in the sediment bowl where is it coming from (tank, fuel line, or…) and why is it the fault of the electric fuel pump? Because of greater suction draw from the tank? Because the electric pump is generally installed near the tank rather than at the engine? No trash in the sediment bowl just lots of air bubbles basically being caused from the fuel pump having to work overtime to suck it through a restriction, which was the electric fuel pump (which was brand new, and sold by previous owner) if the fuel pump was set up probably with a bypass where it fed fuel all of the time to the mechanical one it would probably be fine but when my electric pump was off, it was like a restriction in the line and when the mechanical pump was trying to suck through it, it would actually cause a vacuum, causing the fuel boil. If you took gas and put it in a little vacuum chamber and started to reduce the pressure you’re going to see it bubble that’s the effect it had. I don’t have anything against electric fuel pumps. I just don’t don’t think they’re needed if the fuel pump is rebuilt correctly and in good working order. I hope this explains it better when I posted before I was kind of in a hurry. You might ask why didn’t I leave mine on, it stopped working on a long run I was on. Causing the car to run a little funky. Fortunately, the fuel pump could suck through it with difficulties. The only thing I have in line now is a fuel filter where that pump was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted June 2 Author Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Zimm63 said: Thinking of adding a pump to my 63 Riviera. I think I see how you set the pump up with the bypass, but not where the output of the pump ends up. Could you put a sketch of how you set it up, including the check valve location? Thanks. Here's the rest of the system. The arrow indicates the check valve. Here's a simplified view: 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) Since the Carter pumps have been manufactured in Mexico……I have had two new pumps fail in less than 300 miles. I would suspect the pump. It’s the only pump I run on ALL our cars……..but I now carry a spare pump that can be swapped out on the side of the road………..I have ZERO faith in them now…..but they are better than anything else I could find. Welcome to the world of Mexican Chinesium! Pass the hot sauce and soy sauce. Same goes for coils……..I have seen multiple modern 6 volt coils go bad right out of the box in less than ten miles. Last week, I had a NOS Packard 120 coil I was going to use as a replacement for a bad original……the NOS coil was junk also. Edited June 2 by edinmass (see edit history) 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 51 minutes ago, edinmass said: Since the Carter pumps have been manufactured in Mexico……I have had two new pumps fail in less than 300 miles. I would suspect the pump. It’s the only pump I run on ALL our cars……..but I now carry a spare pump that can be swapped out on the side of the road………..I have ZERO faith in them now…..but they are better than anything else I could find. Welcome to the world of Mexican Chinesium! Pass the hot sauce and soy sauce. Oh please, Ed. When did the Mexican production of Carter pumps begin? I've had two on for 17 and 20 years respectively which have never failed. And I do carry in the trailer a new-in-box one just in case. I agree that the Carter is the best one to use for the kind of cars we drive. As to overseas production, where are the American "masters" who outsourced production to cheap-labor venues when it comes to proper oversight and quality control? THAT is where we should put the squeeze when we get a defective product. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimm63 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Thanks Matt, that helps a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 54 minutes ago, Grimy said: Oh please, Ed. When did the Mexican production of Carter pumps begin? I've had two on for 17 and 20 years respectively which have never failed. And I do carry in the trailer a new-in-box one just in case. I agree that the Carter is the best one to use for the kind of cars we drive. As to overseas production, where are the American "masters" who outsourced production to cheap-labor venues when it comes to proper oversight and quality control? THAT is where we should put the squeeze when we get a defective product. I wonder who makes the in tank pumps for new cars! Of course , they are 12V.. Is it just the 6V ones going bad? Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 George, three years ago they shifted. I have had the conversation with several restores and they have had the same experience. I actually called the tech department about quality control and a custom made pump. The hey closed down their US research and development devision and will no longer make custom application pumps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 33 minutes ago, edinmass said: George, three years ago they shifted. I have had the conversation with several restores and they have had the same experience. I actually called the tech department about quality control and a custom made pump. The hey closed down their US research and development devision and will no longer make custom application pumps. Bummer, good to know when the transition occurred. Are the pumps or boxes date coded or marked with country of manufacture? If so, time to shop on eBay for NOS units pre-outsourcing. If I were you, I'd write to their CEO using (your) title of Collection Manager for a multi-million dollar car collection saying that their product (1) was previously your exclusive choice but is being reconsidered based on recent failures of near-new pumps, and (2) this recent diminution of quality is being frequently discussed among car collectors; and I'd urge them to institute vigorously enhanced quality controls. But I enjoy writing Dignified F U Letters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 They were helpful on the phone. The engineer helping me was sympathetic to my cause. Literally no Carter pumps were going to be made here as they continued to move production south. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Please let us know if you find an alternate unit to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 9 hours ago, edinmass said: They were helpful on the phone. The engineer helping me was sympathetic to my cause. Literally no Carter pumps were going to be made here as they continued to move production south. I really don't give a fig if they make them in Antarctica or anywhere else on the planet, I just want Carter to maintain their previous level of quality. Inferior materials now? Improper training of employees? Fix what went wrong. How hard can that be? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 To speak directly to the fuel pump "problem" this afternoon I drove the Lincoln a few towns over to a Chevy dealership to give a thank you to a mechanic there who helped us over the phone with a problem (1995 Corvette, we changed the battery and the airbag warning light came on--ugh). I will admit that I always like driving an old car to a new car dealership and seeing how they process it. I simply drove it right into the service area and let everyone look it over for a while. That's always fun because these are guys who know cars and are always interested to see how the old tech works. Anyway, it's about 85 degrees and it was rush hour, so traffic sucked. Lots of sitting at red lights. The Lincoln got a little hot and started stumbling, so I switched on the electric pump, not sure whether it would work. Well, it did. Car drove properly with the pump running, so that's all good. The spare pump goes in the trunk for future emergencies. But for now, my Carter is working like it should. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Glad to hear. But to echo Ed, I use the same Carter 4259 pump on all my cars and recently had issues with a couple of them right in a row back when I was trying to get 3 cars to the AACA Grand National. One lasted 11 miles before it stopped working. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 The only issue I've ever had is the perishing of the ground over a period of winter non-use, rather normal on 6V systems, solved by adding star washers under the ground wire fasteners. Always check for an adequate ground first using a jumper. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmhowe Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 3 hours ago, Grimy said: solved by adding star washers under the ground wire fasteners. I like the idea of using the star washers. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for posting it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuickTom87 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 This is my favorite build thread , so informative thank you ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 Setting up for the annual Stan Hywet Father's Day car show. More later. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarNucopia Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 57 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said: Setting up for the annual Stan Hywet Father's Day car show. More later. I had a great time at the show last year. I wish it were closer so I could make it an annual event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Matt Harwood said: Setting up for the annual Stan Hywet Father's Day car show. More later. Looks like Meadowbrook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 Sorry about the delay in getting photos posted, but I was just dead tired last night after the show. 400+ cars, about 7000 spectators, perfect weather, and some great volunteers who made it happen. The 1928 Auburn 8-115 speedster was the only 100-point car (I discourage this with my judges, but it really is a spectacular car) and also won the Addams Award for best Full Classic. You might also spot the Cadillac 60 Special owned by a fellow forum member and my friend Phil Tobin's 1941 Buick 91 Touring Sedan--I don't dare park my car next to his, it's just spectacular. As head judge, I don't really have time to get out to see the cars so I didn't wander over to the post-war field to look around. Sorry about that. The photos I took were mostly for the Ohio Region CCCA magazine, of which I am also the editor and the focus is necessarily on Full Classics. But there were apparently some extremely nice '50s and '60s cars over there with very competitive judging. One 1970 Chevelle SS only missed 100 points because his horn wasn't working. Some very high quality cars come to this show. Very impressive. 22 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike "Hubbie" Stearns Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 That’s ok Matt. We all understand. You can’t be Superman Matt all the time. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Auburn pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 The whole car show in 15 minutes: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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