Gary Best

1940 Resto Rod Buick Special Tourning Sedan

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1 hour ago, Gary Best said:

After the Straight 8 all Buick V8 sucked. Over weight under powered. Why GM uses Chevy in all their cars today.

Actually G.M. doesn't use a SBC today. I see your build and I will tell you I can take a 1970 Stage one stock 455 Buick stock with 510ft.lbs. of torque in exactly the same 1940 Buick Special Touring sedan and blow your car in the weeds. The point about the SBC is, when every or nearly every G.M. car was built with a SBC was because they were CHEAP to build and that is why most hot rod guys use them too. If you don't believe me ask them, but you're smart enough to know that already. Do you remember the lawsuits against G.M. from loyal Oldsmobile owners who found SBC in their cars with Rocket V-8 decals on the air cleaners? The Engine defines the brand and loyal BOP and Cadillac owners know this. 

The real point here is your car won't be a 1940 Buick Special sedan anymore. Take it to a Buick show, as soon as you raise the hood you'll hear the news.

 I'm sure you know all about Buick's 1941 Compound carburetion, If you took your 1940 straight eight and installed compound carburetion and showed a person who was really into Buicks you might get almost the same reaction as installing a SBC. The reason is "the car didn't come that way" !

 Also a respected member of this club once recently said on another thread and the point really is;

You might try the HAMB site as their forum members are more versed on the type of car you are building.  Good luck, please consider a stock vehicle some time!  You are missing another great part of the hobby. 

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Actually the Buick 350 is the lightest of the American cast iron v8s.

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3 hours ago, Pfeil said:

Actually G.M. doesn't use a SBC today. I see your build and I will tell you I can take a 1970 Stage one stock 455 Buick stock with 510ft.lbs. of torque in exactly the same 1940 Buick Special Touring sedan and blow your car in the weeds. The point about the SBC is, when every or nearly every G.M. car was built with a SBC was because they were CHEAP to build and that is why most hot rod guys use them too. If you don't believe me ask them, but you're smart enough to know that already. Do you remember the lawsuits against G.M. from loyal Oldsmobile owners who found SBC in their cars with Rocket V-8 decals on the air cleaners? The Engine defines the brand and loyal BOP and Cadillac owners know this. 

The real point here is your car won't be a 1940 Buick Special sedan anymore. Take it to a Buick show, as soon as you raise the hood you'll hear the news.

 I'm sure you know all about Buick's 1941 Compound carburetion, If you took your 1940 straight eight and installed compound carburetion and showed a person who was really into Buicks you might get almost the same reaction as installing a SBC. The reason is "the car didn't come that way" !

 Also a respected member of this club once recently said on another thread and the point really is;

You might try the HAMB site as their forum members are more versed on the type of car you are building.  Good luck, please consider a stock vehicle some time!  You are missing another great part of the hobby. 

455 Buick were torgue monsters for sure , but ran out of steam about 5000 RPM. Also damn hard to pull into a GM garage these days and get work done on a Buick 455. I'm building this car to tour route 66 and other parts of the US. Plan on 50-70,000 miles on her over next 4 years, so must be reliable and very repairable if needed. I do not build cars to drive 10 miles to a show or ride on a trailer. My 66 Chevelle 427 SS has crossed the US 5 times with only replacing one fan belt and one starter ,well over 50,000 miles and still going strong. I build to drive while looking good. Yes I did have a stock 67 Olds 442 that I bought new , it was stock for about 2 hours :).

I enjoy pre-war Buicks for their style and design , why my 40 will look as stock as possible. But to drive one today on long touring trips is a no go. I did play with the idea of a 53 straight 8 for this car , but hard to find 65 year old blocks that will do what I need. 

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4 hours ago, Gary Best said:

455 Buick were torgue monsters for sure , but ran out of steam about 5000 RPM. Also damn hard to pull into a GM garage these days and get work done on a Buick 455. I'm building this car to tour route 66 and other parts of the US. Plan on 50-70,000 miles on her over next 4 years, so must be reliable and very repairable if needed. I do not build cars to drive 10 miles to a show or ride on a trailer. My 66 Chevelle 427 SS has crossed the US 5 times with only replacing one fan belt and one starter ,well over 50,000 miles and still going strong. I build to drive while looking good. Yes I did have a stock 67 Olds 442 that I bought new , it was stock for about 2 hours :).

I enjoy pre-war Buicks for their style and design , why my 40 will look as stock as possible. But to drive one today on long touring trips is a no go. I did play with the idea of a 53 straight 8 for this car , but hard to find 65 year old blocks that will do what I need. 

Enjoy your Chevy

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What's he supposed to put in it, a 3.6L V6?

 

At the very least, I see your thread has been moved to the Buick Modified section. Got any close ups of your trailing arm rear end? Where did you mount it to the x-frame? etc.

 

Any reason you picked the 700R4 over the 200R4 or a 4L60E? I see you're also running carbureted, was FI too spendy or complicated?

 

Nice fab and body work! Will be following.

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20 hours ago, Gary Best said:

After the Straight 8 all Buick V8 sucked. Over weight under powered. Why GM uses Chevy in all their cars today.

 

 Well, sheee, Gary, and just when a lot of us were defending your project!   Sucked?  :(

 

  Actually , Ben, a V6 would not be bad. Remember the Grand Nationals?    I understand the allure of the SBC.  Size and availability.  I would have used a Buick of some kind. But his car.  

 

  I will be following, Gary.  Also interested in the rear end mods.

 

  Ben

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I didn't move my posting , so I guess the Pure Buick Gods did :). I didn't mean to offend any one about the Buick V8's. Buick made damn good engines for what they needed for their cars. High torque, low RPM power to move a big heavy car. Strong reliable engine , but heavy , drink gas like it was free and last one made almost 40 years ago. I would have loved to use a nailhead but the last nailhead was built over 50 years ago. I only had two choices a SBC or a LS motor for what I wanted the car to do. 

A Buick 3.8 V6 would be cool in a T Bucket :). 

If you look close at my engine you will see no fuel system yet, going with a MSD Fuel Injection . Using a 700R  because it what I had built and left over from another project , others would have been good also.

Rear end is a new 12 bolt grafted to the stock 40 Buick spring perches with custom built trailing arms . Used johnny joints to attach to frame  but Ford Super Duty  tie rod end work well also. Using stock 40 rear springs but Eaton -2in .

I enjoy the pure stock pre-war Buicks but not for cross country touring. Also it's a Series 40 and not a rare model at all.

I know and did receive questions on the way the joints are positioned on the frame. I thought they were wrong also , but these are not bushing but more like ball joints. Very strong and allow full travel. They are mounted right :) . 

 

   

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Don't mind us old farts, Gary.  And I don't suppose you pay attention to the negative nellies any way.  

 

I have a "massaged" 263 in my 1950.  But then I am one of those who think even the "nailhead" is not a REAL Buick.:P.

 It cruises all day at 70+ if I will let it. Just did a round trip to Denver recently, averaging  21+mpg.  TBI, HEI,  only way to go, in my opinion.

 

  My 1st Buick was a 1940 Special like yours. It was only 13 years old then. 

 

  I will be following you. So please stay with us.

 

  Ben

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1 hour ago, Ben Bruce aka First Born said:

Don't mind us old farts, Gary.  And I don't suppose you pay attention to the negative nellies any way.  

 

I have a "massaged" 263 in my 1950.  But then I am one of those who think even the "nailhead" is not a REAL Buick.:P.

 It cruises all day at 70+ if I will let it. Just did a round trip to Denver recently, averaging  21+mpg.  TBI, HEI,  only way to go, in my opinion.

 

  My 1st Buick was a 1940 Special like yours. It was only 13 years old then. 

 

  I will be following you. So please stay with us.

 

  Ben

:)  On one of my Hot Rod Power Tours there was 2 guys with a 53 Buick 320 straight 8 that they tubro'ed and ran straight exhaust . It's was loud and fast. Think it made the whole trip. 

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Don't know about using a 3.8L V6, but the new Cadillac 3.6 is twin turbo and the Buick GS 3.6 is single turbo, both phenomenal engines. I wouldn't mind playing with them under the hood tbh. They say the modern V6 is the new V8 and GM's DOHC V6 is the hot ticket. 

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11 hours ago, Gary Best said:

:)  On one of my Hot Rod Power Tours there was 2 guys with a 53 Buick 320 straight 8 that they tubro'ed and ran straight exhaust . It's was loud and fast. Think it made the whole trip. 

 

 '53 Buick 320 straight. I wanna see that!   Have pictures?

 

  Ben

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18 hours ago, Gary Best said:

 

 

 

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Am I looking at this photo wrong?  How will the rear axle travel up and down with the bushings turned sideways?

 

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2 hours ago, Ben Bruce aka First Born said:

 

 '53 Buick 320 straight. I wanna see that!   Have pictures?

 

  Ben

 I'll look, but pre cell phone cameras  , so if I do it's on film. That car was a wild setup . 

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1 hour ago, wndsofchng06 said:

 

They are not bushings but more like ball joints. I asked the same question. The joint allows full movement of the rear axle and will hold better than a bushing. 

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3 minutes ago, Gary Best said:

They are not bushings but more like ball joints. I asked the same question. The joint allows full movement of the rear axle and will hold better than a bushing. 

That's pretty cool!

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A little giggle about my 37 Special trailing arms. When I put the open rear end in I welded spring perches in the correct position and bolted the housing in place---all done on the drive on lift so weight could be on rear for wheel and shock positioning. Moved over to two post lift to rebuild the brakes and when I raised the car one wheel was way forward in the fender opening and other way back---something WRONG. A little checking showed a 37 Buick has shackles on BOTH ends of the spring thus the trailing arms. So much for a "Professional" rating.

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1 hour ago, s_hilmoe said:

Looks Great! 

 

My project...

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Sweet looking . You use Fat Man for your front clip?

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6 hours ago, Gary Best said:

Sweet looking . You use Fat Man for your front clip?

Yup! Fatman up front, C10 long arms in back. Going with 6.0 Vortec/ 4L65E drivetrain.

 

 

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On 9/13/2018 at 7:51 AM, Gary Best said:

They are not bushings but more like ball joints. I asked the same question. The joint allows full movement of the rear axle and will hold better than a bushing. 

That's very interesting. That's basically the same as the Chevy C10 long trailing arm setup. Same as I'm using. Many places replace the long arm with a square tubing because they are more rigid. However, the C10 trailing arm setup needs to twist. The I-beam is very strong and resists flexing but it can twist allowing the suspension to move or articulate. When a square tubing is used they do not flex OR twist and it make for a very harsh ride. However, with those ends the tubes are allowed to rotate or "twist" at the same time move up and down. I like it!

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12 hours ago, s_hilmoe said:

Yup! Fatman up front, C10 long arms in back. Going with 6.0 Vortec/ 4L65E drivetrain.

 

 

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Very sweet ride :) . I love it.

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9 hours ago, s_hilmoe said:

That's very interesting. That's basically the same as the Chevy C10 long trailing arm setup. Same as I'm using. Many places replace the long arm with a square tubing because they are more rigid. However, the C10 trailing arm setup needs to twist. The I-beam is very strong and resists flexing but it can twist allowing the suspension to move or articulate. When a square tubing is used they do not flex OR twist and it make for a very harsh ride. However, with those ends the tubes are allowed to rotate or "twist" at the same time move up and down. I like it!

Like the C10 arms also. The johnny joints have 360 degree flex so should allow full suspension articulation. I hope :)

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