starfireelvis Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I would have loved to see that car go through on TV, also, but alas, it did not. I guess I've made my point and I'm at the "dead horse" stage Just to say, I love those early-to-mid '60s Pontiac full-size cars--they had fantastic interiors, and I loved the dash layout on them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontiacfarmer Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 yepthat why I love and collects 66 big pontiacs......regards sanybody know what it went for on the other auction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontiacfarmer Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 okthis is from that homepage1966 Pontiac Bonneville Brougham Hardtop Coupe$40,000 - $50,000Without Reservea little to high for my wallet........:eek:s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 It is entertainment pure and simple, I often just leave one of the auctions on while exercising. The commentators try hard but are at a disadvantage: few were there when the car was new so few even seem to know the difference between a distributer and an HEI much less single vs double bump vs straight plug heads or that a gold head valley means 9:1 compression.Oh well. Shiny/Pretty always sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Strangelove Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) I will give credit where credit is due. That is, the broadcast crew stays largly intact from year-to-year, auction-to auction and they rarely repeat their mistakes. Taking the whole broadcast into perspective, they are the highlites. Now Miss Maximum, or whatever her name is, she needs to go and take the Tweeter, social media overload too ..... Edited January 22, 2012 by Dr. Strangelove (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim_Edwards Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 It is entertainment pure and simple, I often just leave one of the auctions on while exercising. The commentators try hard but are at a disadvantage: few were there when the car was new so few even seem to know the difference between a distributer and an HEI much less single vs double bump vs straight plug heads or that a gold head valley means 9:1 compression.Oh well. Shiny/Pretty always sells.Right on two major factors. The auctions have become entertainment. Second, it appears that most of the buyers are simply buying looks.I would seriously question if most of the bidders know a great deal about the nature of cars they bid on beyond looks and the period those looks may represent. It would seem those auctions have attracted a class of seller/restorers that have taken what may have been a really nasty project car, dumped enough money into them to make them look good enough that some nit-wit with more money than brains will bid them up to figures the car does not deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memaerobilia Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi Does anyone know what the 39 Buick indy pace car went for ? That car was at the RM Auction at Hershey in 2011.Al Storrs $51,700 including the Buyer's premiumYou can see the final bid/sold price, with photos and descriptions for any and all of the cars at this auction at:Scottsdale 2012 Car Docket List | Barrett-Jackson Auction Company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Auction Fever is a very real phenomenon. It's both fascinating and frustrating for me as a dealer to see it. It definitely happens that a guy will want a car, and can easily talk himself into "just a few more dollars," or "one more bid." They figure they're already into it, another few thousand bucks won't really matter. Of course, there's that manly competition thing going on, too--you don't want the other guy to get the better of you, don't want him thinking you can't afford it, right? So the cars go for a few thousand more than they should because you have guys with admittedly big egos trying to buy something they want and trying to prove themselves without even realizing they're doing it.Then there's the fact that there's A LOT of alcohol flowing through the place. Drinks are ridiculously cheap--or even free!--for a reason. None of you have ever taken home a girl who didn't quite look like you expected the next morning? And finally, you do have a small handful of guys who just do it because they love to and the money doesn't matter at all. $50,000 for a Model A? Meh, I like the car and I can find that much money under the cushions of my sofa. Of course, when it comes time to sell, they always forget that they over-paid and figure that they should get their money back +20% on something that they were, by definition, the person willing to pay the most.The smart buyers go to auctions looking for bargains, and they're out there, but they have to be cold and calculating. Set your number and walk away when it gets there. Like gambling, you just have to know your limit and then shut it off. But also like gambling, that's really, really, really hard to do in the heat of the moment when your heart is racing, you're pumped on adrenaline, and you can almost taste the thing for which you're lusting. It's extremely hard for the average guy to shut it off in the heat of battle.And don't think for a minute that the auction companies don't know all of this and exploit it as much as humanly possible.On the other hand, when they come to buy a car from me, well, they only start at the asking price and work down, which is exactly the opposite of an auction. If I ran my business like an auction, I'd be bankrupt in a month. Yes, sir, the price is $50,000, but it'll cost you $55,000 (with buyer's premium) to own it. Holy crap, I can't believe people actually fall for that scam!Fascinated and frustrated, that's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I am with you on that Matt, I think the auction companies are genius for thinking up the buyers premium and cannot believe there was no outcry when they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Straight Shooter...if you think the price for that Gull Wing was high then you might go into complete shock as an alloy bodied 55 sold for 4.6 million this weekend as well. Prices on Gull Wings have been very strong for awhile.Matt...Alcohol and bidding would not be something I would recommend to most people! I am sure more than a couple let their drinks do the talking. However, calling buyer premiums a scam is not fair. Everyone knows upfront about the premiums so it hardly can be defined as a scam. You and I simply do not have to participate if we do not like. I always try to remember what my total cost is when I bid on something that has a premium (hard to do!)Most of the B-J auction hold mild interest for me as there are only so many Corvettes, Mustangs, Chevelles, etc that are modified or stock that I can look at. However, their attempt at bringing back the big time cars held a lot of interest for me and it was fun to watch.It was also great to see some serious, serious money raised for legitimate charities. It is very hard to raise money for many concours and along comes an auction like this and they hit home runs. The guy who donated the 1.5 million or so could not have had had room for one more pen in his pocket! Next year he had better wear a shirt with two pockets if he has any money left!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 The dart board keeps moving on all my Fantasy bids! Got within $1,000 on the Alice Cooper Mustang when the bidders ran out of money. Great fun to watch, the new guy Steve just mentioned was a class act, nice to see him win so many charity cars. Not to knock the guy but couldn't Jay Leno place a car up for auction an not a garden tractor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 The dart board keeps moving on all my Fantasy bids! Got within $1,000 on the Alice Cooper Mustang when the bidders ran out of money. Good for you on the Mustang, my bidding did not improve much. Even with a limited amount of research I still could not hit them reliably. I got 40 points (within 20%) on the barn find Shelby and the Saleen Mustangs and barely missed that on the custom F100, all cars not my specialty. When I saw the 1960 Bonneville convertible (one photo on my smartphone) I thought great, of all cars I can bid this one on the fly. I know the cars, the features, the cost, their status in the Pontiac community, and as a Saturday night prime time car it must be a premium car. $95,000 easy at such an event.It sold for $65,000 and I got no points--I just can't win. Kudos to the guesswork on those who are leading the board, I do not know how they do it.Right now I am watching the MG GT bid to $34,000, must be a new record and from a crowd not known for loving import sports cars. Who knows? Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 By the way, I would like to add that whoever picks the Fantasy Bid cars does pick a diverse mix. We here (especially me) grumble about all the Corvettes, Camaros and street rods, but picking the bid cars they really do have variety, a good job on that, Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Lost out on the MG with my bid of $45,000 that is closer to its value IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Lost out on the MG with my bid of $45,000 that is closer to its value IMO.My knowledge of those is limited, are the 1960s GTs worth more than open cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memaerobilia Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi Bob; This is fun, especially, today! I got my 80 points for being within 5% on the MG, and now telling myself I Might have a chance for the daily win, with only TWO cars for the whole day, if I can score high on the next and final one. I bet the second one does not come up until the last half hour or even later, and I might not see it:eek: Laughingly, yesterday, I missed a COUPLE of cars by $100,000, and that includes Over AND Under! My wife is laughing and enjoying this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi Bob;This is fun, especially, today! I got my 80 points for being within 5% on the MG, and now telling myself I Might have a chance for the daily win, with only TWOcars for the whole day, if I can score high on the next and final one. I bet the second one does not come up until the last half hour or even later, and I might not see it:eek: Bob, do you know what were the feature cars (which I missed) last night between the 1960 Bonneville and the Alice Cooper Mustang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memaerobilia Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Hi Poci; There were only two Fantasy Bid cars in between those two;1. The 1969 Dodge Charger 2-door ("General Lee") Bid to $110,000 which is the Fantasy Bid #. (but with the buyer's premium, was $122,000) I was 100K Off! @ 235,000 and a bit surprised since the last General Lee at BJ got around $450,000!, and I follow them, since my son has a near perfect one. Going by it's claimed history as the first Original one and subsequent crash and trash, I would "guess" they would have had to replace "a Lot" of the original parts, to get to the auction condition at BJ..2. 1960 Corvette Custom Roadster (Lot # 1300) bid to $135,000 (Acutual sale price, with buyer's premium- $148,500-which is quite a boost!) (I guessed $122,000 worth 60 points ) Edited January 22, 2012 by memaerobilia (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi Poci;There were only two Fantasy Bid cars in betwen those two;1. The 1969 Dodge Charger 2-door ("General Lee") Bid to $110,000 2. 1960 Corvette Custom Roadster (Lot # 1300) bid to $135,000 Thanks. I probably would have defaulted to $100,000 on the General Lee and been close. The Corvette I would have remembered the one for $325,000 Friday night and been over. Just a little tip to thank you, the Lincoln Derham sold for $23,000 at auction a year ago. Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Well, it just sold for $35,000 and I think the buyer was a prominent St Louis dealer, so I guess that shows the value of my tip. Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 I ended up with only 220 points which is pretty pathetic.... :confused: :eek: :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Green Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi Does anyone know what the 39 Buick indy pace car went for ? That car was at the RM Auction at Hershey in 2011.Al StorrsWhoever bought this got a great deal. I know the restorer well and we used to take this car out for a run once in a while a few years back. Spoke to him today and he says it was a model 80C (restored in 1991) and they only made 3 convertibles in 1939. Supposedly they made around 31 81C convertibles in 1939. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memaerobilia Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi Todd; ThanksWish I had seen your old value on the Lincoln before I bid. But even THEN it may not have lowered my bid of $45,000. You cannot get mad at these things, or try to justify or complain. It WAS a lot of fun, and because of the contest, my wife did not object to leaving the auction on all last night and today. and she even enjoyed rooting for me (us). Great idea by B-J. The more I Missed by, the more we laughed!I swung and I MISSED on the Lincoln. I can only laughingly try to calculate that such a unique car with some good history brought so much less than a old ford Pickup truck,, and some real "dogs" bought a lot more. I'm happy for the buyer, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi Poci; There were only two Fantasy Bid cars in between those two;1. The 1969 Dodge Charger 2-door ("General Lee") Bid to $110,000 which is the Fantasy Bid #. (but with the buyer's premium, was $122,000) I was 100K Off! @ 235,000 and a bit surprised since the last General Lee at BJ got around $450,000!, and I follow them, since my son has a near perfect one. Going by it's claimed history as the first Original one and subsequent crash and trash, I would "guess" they would have had to replace "a Lot" of the original parts, to get to the auction condition at BJ..The guy who won the auction for the General Lee was pro golfer Bubba Watson.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 You cannot get mad at these things, or try to justify or complain. It WAS a lot of fun, and because of the contest, my wife did not object to leaving the auction on all last night and today. and she even enjoyed rooting for me (us). Great idea by B-J. The more I Missed by, the more we laughed!I should try your system here at my house. My wife is normally unhappy with my grumbling at the TV about the auction and it's..(ahem)..showmanship. This time she was MORE unhappy at my newfound determination to follow along for an entire weekend. That is why I missed the General Lee and the Corvette--I agreed to go out to dinner and a movie as a gesture of togetherness (while trying to sneak in bids on my smartphone connection).To lebowski, I ended up with 400 points but considering the amount of effort I put in that is a disappointment. BUT now I will be back if they do it again at Palm Beach in April. Looks like the Fantasy Bidding sucked in this critic....Todd CPS--I do wish they would schedule more of the bids on Sunday though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 One more thing, I would also like to add that I always find the B-J website to be helpful and excellent, they are to be commended for that too. Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 ....................I agreed to go out to dinner and a movie as a gesture of togetherness (while trying to sneak in bids on my smartphone connection)...."What honey? What? Do you think I can, like, just bring football scores and video to my cell phone, like just out of the air?" You guys are something.:cool:W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I stopped watching after the short wheelbase Lincoln sold, staying at any party to the very end puts a sad ending to it, I'd rather remember things as they were rolling along, the 2013 event will be here in no time. Thanks Barrett-Jackson I had a great time!Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mochet Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 "A LOT of alcohol flowing through the place. Drinks are ridiculously cheap--or even free!--"I don't know what Barrett-Jackson charges, but RM wanted $12 for a glass of wine at Hershey. You won't get me drunk that way!Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Actually their closing thoughts were to my liking. The announcers said a few words to the effect that to those who think the event is decadent they would encourage them that you do not have to spend big bucks but can come and find something for as little as $3000-$4000 and enjoy participating in the hobby yourself. I do not remember seeing that $3000 car, but the message is one I have been trying to spread over the years and I appreciated the sentiment. Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 One commentator tonight stated that you did not need to have big money to bid on cars at Barret-Jackson many sell for as low as $3000. To be able to enjoy on a "BEER Budget' Not a Champaigne budget"!??Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I do have another question for those also watching. The announcers kept referring to each other's car guy credentials, do we know what their interests are? Sounded like Mike Joy is a collector. Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 I do have another question for those also watching. The announcers kept referring to each other's car guy credentials, do we know what their interests are? Sounded like Mike Joy is a collector. Todd CMike Joy is the main announcer at NASCAR Sprint Cup races. He wasn't there on Thursday and Friday because he was the MC at the NASCAR Hall of Fame induction ceremony which was taped in Charlotte, NC on Friday and is airing tonight from 6-9 PM ET on the Speed Channel. I think most or all of the other guys work for various car magazines and all own at least a few classic cars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dick Whittington Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 You could have watched the live streaming from the BJ website. No senseless drivel to listen to. I have TV sound muted most of the time and listen to the auction on the internet. Nothing like being there, but I due to business commitments, I was unable to go this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yes, the live streaming is very good, and you don't miss the good cars that are auctioned when the Speed channel goes to one of the commercials....you don't get the closeups but at least you don't miss any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here is some info of the Connecticut native. Mike Joy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMike Joy is the main announcer at NASCAR Sprint Cup races. He wasn't there on Thursday and Friday because he was the MC at the NASCAR Hall of Fame induction ceremony which was taped in Charlotte, NC on Friday and is airing tonight from 6-9 PM ET on the Speed Channel. I think most or all of the other guys work for various car magazines and all own at least a few classic cars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memaerobilia Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I found it a bit more ejoyable than past B-J auctions. I don't get annoyed when the announcers say something obvious or silly, keeping in mnd that "I" only know about SOME cars, and they cannot possibly know EVERYthing, about EVERY car, or even TYPE of car. And they are paid to keep talking..I DID find it annoyingly pretentious to have the 5000 Series, Reserve cars announced and presented in a thick British Accent. Especially since most of these were GREAT AMERICAN historic Classics. If you turned off after the last Fantasy Bid car, Bob, there were still a surprising amount of cars to follow that went through the 100K barrier. I would have turnned it off, too, but had it droning on in the background, while scanning old aviation photos at my computer. Best thing was the impression that they will be bringing back MORE Great American pre-War Classics next time, since they were pleased with the "action" on them, this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poci1957 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Best thing was the impression that they will be bringing back MORE Great American pre-War Classics next time, since they were pleased with the "action" on them, this year.Hi Joe, I heard them say that too and I am glad to hear it, always glad to see more of them. I also thought their prices seemed pretty strong, did you see who was buying them and what kind of buyer they were, i.e. middle age, elderly, museums, dealers, etc? Todd C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) [quote=memaerobilia;986576I DID find it annoyingly pretentious to have the 5000 Series, Reserve cars announced and presented in a thick British Accent. Especially since most of these were GREAT AMERICAN historic Classics. __________________________________________________________________________ If you didn't like that thick British accent, you probably wouldn't have liked the dialect of the members who signed the Declaration of Independence either. Perhaps you prefer the dialect my grand kids have picked up on the street. Now where is my bar of soap???D. Edited January 24, 2012 by helfen (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalef62 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Does anyone know who owned the Tucker that was sold on Sat.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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