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  1. I do, the Desert Bar, 1990 I think. I bought a box thinking they would amaze my friends back home, Todd C
  2. Yes, this took a turn regarding the white paint thanks to me, sorry about that. HOWEVER it could be relevant in that lots of these cars that were restored in the 1960s will have incorrect colors and this way you can be aware that a white car 1920s car is probably not authentic 😉
  3. I also think 1952-53 is about the beginning of the time frame. Looks like Ford provided the 1953 Indy 500 Pace Car in ivory white and by 1955 they used bright white widely in two tones and with matching two tone interiors featuring bright white vinyl. Before 1952 you might see off whites like light gray or cream but never a bright white like later, Todd C
  4. Interesting comment, as by then white was being widely used, especially in two tone combinations.
  5. Before my knowledgeable fellow members critique me note I am aware that there were popular brass era Buicks and others painted white circa 1908-10 and that coachbuilt cars could be ordered in any color desired (the excuse used for many questionable restoration color choices). But my understanding is that in the 1920s and 1930s white was not usually used both due to the ambulance/milk truck association AND that white paints had poor durability and would turn chalky in a relatively short time. Does anyone know if that was the case?
  6. My understanding is in the prewar years white was considered only suitable for ambulances and milk trucks and almost never used on passenger cars, it is a little pet peeve of mine to see a white prewar car, Todd C
  7. The ones for corvettes seem to come from Quanta at gas tanks.com
  8. It could be an issue for me and something we might not always think of
  9. Hello pkhammer, I am about your age (52) and are similarly interested in 1920s cars although I do not own one. I think the "nickel" era is a fascinating time in automotive history but the cars themselves have been overlooked for years due to often bland appearance compared with the earlier brass cars and the later classics. BUT many 1920s cars were restored and driven by hobbyists in the 1960s and 1970s and an older restoration from an estate would be perfect for you and bargains can be found IMO. Regarding what kind, I notice others keep mentioning 1920s Dodges and I would suggest also consider 1920s Chryslers and early Plymouths. The 1920s Chryslers were said to have had superior performance for the day and 4 wheel hydraulic brakes from day one so they should be more drivable than many contemporaries. There will be some out there in garages and sheds that were restored in the 1970s and could be mechanically and cosmetically freshened up to be good drivers for a reasonable price. An open car would cost more than a sedan and I would also suggest if you find an open model make sure you can comfortably fit to drive since those 1920s roadsters and tourings can be tight in the front seat. Good luck, Todd C
  10. Here is an interesting article on the subject: https://www.nailhed.com/2014/05/cranked-up.html While there were probably other versions earlier it claims that the long-forgotten Ternstedt Manufacturing had the patent on a practical window regulator in 1916 (pending since 1911) and built a plant to supply Fisher Body in 1917, then Fisher bought them out in 1920 after the death of the founder, Todd C
  11. Here is one from the Petit Jean Museum in Arkansas
  12. I bought a set for my 1963 Pontiac too about 18 months ago and was very pleased. Regular production 14" tires like this have been hard to find for years and these look good and only cost $65 each, I have seen them often on 1960s and 1970s cars at shows, Todd C
  13. Apparently this one went to auction last year too https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-357109/1950-oldsmobile-sedan-delivery/
  14. Here is an interesting article about that one Charles https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/car-of-the-week/car-week-1950-oldsmobile-sedan-delivery
  15. 1957 Pontiacs also use the Bendix Treadle Vac and I was satisfied with Midwest Power Products at midwestbooster.com Todd C
  16. For my 1957 Pontiac I used www.qualityrestorations.com and was satisfied
  17. Hey demon452 who did you use for the rebuild and what did you think of their service & price? My 1957 Pontiac hinges are a little loose and the hood is currently removed so I am thinking it might be a good time to knock this out, Todd C
  18. I will take the other school of thought on the mechanicals. I have been working on my own car for many years in fits and starts and able to perform quality work in my own garage much like Vila and his Triumph. And for my next restoration (if I have the energy) I will definitely do body and paint first and mechanical work last. Why is that? Because the engine/transmission/axle took a few months to rebuild and the rest of the car took years. The assembled powertrain sat dormant while the other work was done and collected dust (and lots of it). If you do the mechanical work last you will be ready to start and drive immediately and while working the bugs out (rattles, leaks, etc.) if there is a problem with parts or service you will have recent receipts and contacts to talk to, Todd C
  19. I also bet that is what happened, stockpiling a batch of bodies and possibly in a “last in first out” storage situation that would have the sequence out of order. I was not around in the 1950s but anecdotal evidence makes me think early production was often higher end models just like today. Linden was there to serve the affluent New York/New Jersey area so it seems likely that dealers would want a fancy one to display at introduction. And there was not much flashier than a 1959 Bonneville with one of those spectacular tri-tone interiors! I will have a further note on Bonnevilles in your PM
  20. Actually WQ59B seems to have corrected me on this point. In 1957 which is my area of expertise they DID tally for each model as I described, including breaking down between manual and automatic transmissions. BUT referring back to my parts book he reminds me that in 1958 the system changed and his serial number theory is right and I was a little outdated in my reference, I corrected the original post above. However, that opens a new question for this car. If this is the 455th 1959 Pontiac off the line at Linden note that it is the 166th Bonneville 2837 body produced for that plant. This would mean that 30% of the first 1959 Pontiacs from Linden were all Bonneville 2837 2dr hardtops. I had heard of Pontiac building a bunch of the same model at introduction as a marketing move and this seems to confirm it, any comment on that WQ59B?
  21. OK sebastienbuick, here is some data for you: VIN# 859L1455 8=Pontiac Model 28 Long Wheelbase (Bonneville and Star Chief) 59=1959 L=Linden NJ Assembly Plant 1455=the 455th Pontiac built at the Linden plant (numbers started at 1001) FISHER BODY STYLE=59-2837 1959 Bonneville (28) 2dr Hardtop Coupe (37) BODY=BL 166 Fisher Body Linden Plant, the 166th Model 2837 body produced at that plant TRIM=276 Tri-tone blue vinyl interior PAINT=SC Concord Blue Body & Wheels, Cameo Ivory Roof ACC=C C (sorry I don’t have that code data) FRAME PARISH Frame manufacturer 532032 Pontiac Division frame part number BUT NOTE this number is for a long wheelbase (Star Chief) sedan. A model 28 Bonneville hardtop frame is listed as # 532520. 1027581 Probably a Parish serial number So this part number question and your markings make me think that frame must have had to be modified at the plant to fit a hardtop rather than a sedan (traditionally a hardtop would have more braces and other reinforcements than a sedan). However that higher part # 532520 means that number was assigned after start of production. It is possible (my speculation) that the sedan frame was originally specified to be used on hardtops and it was determined that changes were required sufficient to issue a different part number. It is possible the frame may have been swapped later in the car's life but I doubt it unless you have found evidence of damage or tampering. Note that the VIN and body numbers are very early production, probably the second or third week which means there was probably still some refitting going on (working the bugs out). The Linden assembly plant also produced Olds and Buicks so Pontiac at that time represented 30% or less of their production. Also they were dealing with more different models than the Pontiac “home” plant that only built Pontiacs so they may have done more crayon marks to identify a Pontiac part from a Buick or Olds. Very interesting to see, thanks for posting, hope this helps you, Todd C 1957 Pontiac Oakland Club Technical Advisor
  22. Just a brief recap for Licespray on a very interesting real life story. Circa 1962 Henry Ford II announced that Ford would make an effort to be involved in racing in most major series in America and from 1962-70 they had a major presence. Legend has it that in 1963 Henry II approached Enzo Ferrari to buy his company and they reached a deal but Enzo bailed out. An embarrassed Henry vowed to develop a sports car to beat Ferrari at LeMans and by 1966 they did, famously developing the GT40 and finishing 1-2-3 in triumph then winning again in 1967-69. Like most car movies I am sure this one has some “dramatic license” and I wonder about Henry II weeping in fright after a ride with Carroll Shelby but it is all a good story regardless, Todd C
  23. Excellent points from Greg in Canada. In my area the roots of the old car hobby (also racing and other car activities) were the blue collar middle class guys of the 1960s and 1970s. Their situation usually included: A stable job with some disposable income and leisure time A farm or ranch house on a spacious lot with room for a detached garage or shop Mechanical experience/ability and a collection of tools, often second generation as Greg noted. At 51 I am about the same age as mrcvs and anyone younger than we are much less likely to have the above as part of our lifestyle, especially if you live in a high cost metro area rather than a small town. Greg in Canada mentions cost vs income as a concern and it is. HOWEVER with that said I will throw in a bit of real optimism. It is indeed true that restoration costs are out of reach for most middle class families now. BUT that is only a problem for a full restoration project. If you can enjoy and drive a car and that does not need to be disassembled, painted and restored your cost can be quite reasonable. A fun collector car can easily be purchased for under $10,000 and best of all it can be serviced and freshened as your skills allow and not require years to restore. It just won’t be a Hemi Cuda or 1957 Chevy convertible; it will more likely be a Valiant or 1975 Chevy. Adjusted for inflation even some “icon” cars like Model As and 1955-57 Thunderbirds are cheaper than they were 20 years ago. Also with the internet providing forums like this, YouTube, EBay and the other services we did not have in the 1980s much how-to information is easier to access. Many basic tools are cheaper than they used to be and easier to find too, and many parts are easier to source too. An amateur hobbyist can enjoy servicing and maintaining an old car in a suburban garage if they really want to, they just can’t afford to buy a project and restore it from the ground up. And they must exercise judgement and patience in selecting the right car to avoid a money pit. That impatience is the real problem with most amateur efforts; be thoughtful and you can enjoy the hobby for middle class money, you don't have to be a mechanic, you just have to be smart and careful, Todd C
  24. Hello mrcvs, your observations are a real issue IMO. Of course like anything they can be overcome if one is really enthusiastic but it is a hill to climb as you point out.
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