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    Graduate of McPherson College Auto Restotation 1987

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  1. For my 1957 Pontiac I used www.qualityrestorations.com and was satisfied
  2. Hey demon452 who did you use for the rebuild and what did you think of their service & price? My 1957 Pontiac hinges are a little loose and the hood is currently removed so I am thinking it might be a good time to knock this out, Todd C
  3. I will take the other school of thought on the mechanicals. I have been working on my own car for many years in fits and starts and able to perform quality work in my own garage much like Vila and his Triumph. And for my next restoration (if I have the energy) I will definitely do body and paint first and mechanical work last. Why is that? Because the engine/transmission/axle took a few months to rebuild and the rest of the car took years. The assembled powertrain sat dormant while the other work was done and collected dust (and lots of it). If you do the mechanical work last you will be ready to start and drive immediately and while working the bugs out (rattles, leaks, etc.) if there is a problem with parts or service you will have recent receipts and contacts to talk to, Todd C
  4. I also bet that is what happened, stockpiling a batch of bodies and possibly in a “last in first out” storage situation that would have the sequence out of order. I was not around in the 1950s but anecdotal evidence makes me think early production was often higher end models just like today. Linden was there to serve the affluent New York/New Jersey area so it seems likely that dealers would want a fancy one to display at introduction. And there was not much flashier than a 1959 Bonneville with one of those spectacular tri-tone interiors! I will have a further note on Bonnevilles in your PM
  5. Actually WQ59B seems to have corrected me on this point. In 1957 which is my area of expertise they DID tally for each model as I described, including breaking down between manual and automatic transmissions. BUT referring back to my parts book he reminds me that in 1958 the system changed and his serial number theory is right and I was a little outdated in my reference, I corrected the original post above. However, that opens a new question for this car. If this is the 455th 1959 Pontiac off the line at Linden note that it is the 166th Bonneville 2837 body produced for that plant. This would mean that 30% of the first 1959 Pontiacs from Linden were all Bonneville 2837 2dr hardtops. I had heard of Pontiac building a bunch of the same model at introduction as a marketing move and this seems to confirm it, any comment on that WQ59B?
  6. OK sebastienbuick, here is some data for you: VIN# 859L1455 8=Pontiac Model 28 Long Wheelbase (Bonneville and Star Chief) 59=1959 L=Linden NJ Assembly Plant 1455=the 455th Pontiac built at the Linden plant (numbers started at 1001) FISHER BODY STYLE=59-2837 1959 Bonneville (28) 2dr Hardtop Coupe (37) BODY=BL 166 Fisher Body Linden Plant, the 166th Model 2837 body produced at that plant TRIM=276 Tri-tone blue vinyl interior PAINT=SC Concord Blue Body & Wheels, Cameo Ivory Roof ACC=C C (sorry I don’t have that code data) FRAME PARISH Frame manufacturer 532032 Pontiac Division frame part number BUT NOTE this number is for a long wheelbase (Star Chief) sedan. A model 28 Bonneville hardtop frame is listed as # 532520. 1027581 Probably a Parish serial number So this part number question and your markings make me think that frame must have had to be modified at the plant to fit a hardtop rather than a sedan (traditionally a hardtop would have more braces and other reinforcements than a sedan). However that higher part # 532520 means that number was assigned after start of production. It is possible (my speculation) that the sedan frame was originally specified to be used on hardtops and it was determined that changes were required sufficient to issue a different part number. It is possible the frame may have been swapped later in the car's life but I doubt it unless you have found evidence of damage or tampering. Note that the VIN and body numbers are very early production, probably the second or third week which means there was probably still some refitting going on (working the bugs out). The Linden assembly plant also produced Olds and Buicks so Pontiac at that time represented 30% or less of their production. Also they were dealing with more different models than the Pontiac “home” plant that only built Pontiacs so they may have done more crayon marks to identify a Pontiac part from a Buick or Olds. Very interesting to see, thanks for posting, hope this helps you, Todd C 1957 Pontiac Oakland Club Technical Advisor
  7. Just a brief recap for Licespray on a very interesting real life story. Circa 1962 Henry Ford II announced that Ford would make an effort to be involved in racing in most major series in America and from 1962-70 they had a major presence. Legend has it that in 1963 Henry II approached Enzo Ferrari to buy his company and they reached a deal but Enzo bailed out. An embarrassed Henry vowed to develop a sports car to beat Ferrari at LeMans and by 1966 they did, famously developing the GT40 and finishing 1-2-3 in triumph then winning again in 1967-69. Like most car movies I am sure this one has some “dramatic license” and I wonder about Henry II weeping in fright after a ride with Carroll Shelby but it is all a good story regardless, Todd C
  8. Excellent points from Greg in Canada. In my area the roots of the old car hobby (also racing and other car activities) were the blue collar middle class guys of the 1960s and 1970s. Their situation usually included: A stable job with some disposable income and leisure time A farm or ranch house on a spacious lot with room for a detached garage or shop Mechanical experience/ability and a collection of tools, often second generation as Greg noted. At 51 I am about the same age as mrcvs and anyone younger than we are much less likely to have the above as part of our lifestyle, especially if you live in a high cost metro area rather than a small town. Greg in Canada mentions cost vs income as a concern and it is. HOWEVER with that said I will throw in a bit of real optimism. It is indeed true that restoration costs are out of reach for most middle class families now. BUT that is only a problem for a full restoration project. If you can enjoy and drive a car and that does not need to be disassembled, painted and restored your cost can be quite reasonable. A fun collector car can easily be purchased for under $10,000 and best of all it can be serviced and freshened as your skills allow and not require years to restore. It just won’t be a Hemi Cuda or 1957 Chevy convertible; it will more likely be a Valiant or 1975 Chevy. Adjusted for inflation even some “icon” cars like Model As and 1955-57 Thunderbirds are cheaper than they were 20 years ago. Also with the internet providing forums like this, YouTube, EBay and the other services we did not have in the 1980s much how-to information is easier to access. Many basic tools are cheaper than they used to be and easier to find too, and many parts are easier to source too. An amateur hobbyist can enjoy servicing and maintaining an old car in a suburban garage if they really want to, they just can’t afford to buy a project and restore it from the ground up. And they must exercise judgement and patience in selecting the right car to avoid a money pit. That impatience is the real problem with most amateur efforts; be thoughtful and you can enjoy the hobby for middle class money, you don't have to be a mechanic, you just have to be smart and careful, Todd C
  9. Hello mrcvs, your observations are a real issue IMO. Of course like anything they can be overcome if one is really enthusiastic but it is a hill to climb as you point out.
  10. I have experienced what Matt cites above and agree that many people could use a little more focus than that. I have found it better for me to have a drivable car while a project is underway. I have my one eternal marathon project that I worked on for 20 years between acquisition and the first drive during the restoration and for most people this would be very unsatisfying. However for a retiree working full time it might be OK if you would only be a year or two rather than 20 and are experienced enough to have enough patience to keep going, Todd C
  11. Dave Fields is correct, I wouldn't touch that car, too much $$ and every item has been messed with. Read the red flags here.......allegedly 36,000 miles and very original BUT body has been removed from the frame so everything could be slathered with black paint? This was probably a decent car bought for a quick flip to an inexperienced buyer IMO, Todd C
  12. Great story David, I enjoyed reading that and also nice to see that one hobbyist can still help another without just trying to wring the last nickel out of the transaction, Todd C
  13. I agree with Phil on this (Hi Phil, thanks for chiming in on this and welcome to the forum). I have been an OCW subscriber for (I think) 35 years and going to the Iola Swap Meet almost that long. The new look of the magazine is no big thrill for me BUT I do think they have good content and some of the best writers they have ever had including Phil, Gerald Perschbacher(sp), Kit Foster and others. Good luck to Angelo and the others involved and I certainly hope to see OCW for many years, Todd C
  14. Mark's comments sound right to me, I also noticed the back of the touring car with disc wheels which became popular by 1923 so I am saying the date is (my guess) 1923
  15. The upside is parts for this transmission are available and reasonable at www.autotran.us