wayne sheldon

That is what I always knew it as. It used to be available in both long grain and short grain.

It was fairly common practice around the country for a single company to market coal during the winter months, and ice during the summer time. It worked well for them to use some of the same trucks with simple alterations (and cleaning!). It kept trucks and workers busy most of the year. Between the hot and cold seasons, they had maintenance and other work to transition from one to the other. Ice generally was harvested during the winter months while some of the trucks and workers transported coal to customers. Handling ice during the summer was hard work, and required moving insulation (often hay/straw) to minimize melting. The seasons that ice required the most labor, were when coal was used only a little. Both businesses were labor intensive. When my dad was in high school, the local coal merchant would arrange for the railroad to deliver a carload of coal on Friday. After school , my dad who was already six foot four and nearly two hundred pounds of mostly muscle, would begin shoveling the carload out by hand! Usually, he would finish up Saturday, but sometimes need to do the last bit of it on Sunday so that the railroad could pick up their coal-car on Monday. He made really good money for a kid with a part-time job!

The MTFCA forum had a report yesterday of a fairly nice mid 1910 model T for sale. Price seemed reasonable at just over $20,000. It looked to be an old restoration of a good survivor, a lot of correct parts on it. I don't know if it ran or not, but it looked to be pretty useable as is. It does have an interesting very old "repair" of the weak early rear end housing. https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27815

A "flipper" by any other name. His writeup sounds innocent enough. But I can't help but wonder. Three different 1910s/1920s cars I wanted to consider, but just wasn't ready enough to jump on, dropped off of craigslist and showed up on ebay literally days later as "We update our collection very often and right now we are liquidating some of our collection with the lowest prices out there to make room for new arrivals." (Copied and pasted!) Less than five days between craigslist and ebay somewhat belies the "collector" statements? Flipping may be and is in fact perfectly legal. And certainly, buying low and selling high is historically the American way. But I do not like being lied to. Being a "collector" is one thing. Buying solely for the purpose of flipping is something else. I also wonder how well it is working out for him? There are several cars I could have been interested in that he has been trying to sell for a few years now! And since the cars are scattered all over the country? I wonder how he arranges storage and care for the cars? Or???? Frankly, I am surprised to see this one on ebay under his banner. The cars I have noticed him buying (?) and selling were very reasonably priced before. This Pierce wasn't that reasonable from what I saw and read in the previous ads. Maybe this was his before?

Price appears to be very reasonable, provided it can run without too much effort. It is not a coupe. Properly called either a "runabout", or a "roadster".

It is a neat car! Although the 1925 series 80 I had was the more deluxe model, it was similar to this color, and this car reminds me of it. Ours had mohair interior and seemed much more elegant inside. It might be nice enough for the wife, once cleaned up a bunch. Now if I could just afford to get it, and get it across the country.

Something I tell people often. "Don't force it, 'finesse it' ".

It is always difficult to lose those we love, and loved and taught us so much. People need to appreciate and spend quality time with those people while the option is there. It sounds like you did that. Cherish the memories.

"Life IS a Cabriolet --- My friends, Life is a cabriolet!" Someone had to do it.

That remains to be seen?

I just hope it is well cared for and appreciated! I liked it!

Without good size reference, it is hard to tell if it is a radiator badge, or a lapel pin. The apparent pin-back suggests lapel pin, and I have seen a few over the years like that for Overland automobiles.

I put a shout out on the MTFCA forum. Charlie had a lot of friends there, and was a regular contributor on that forum. He and I traded a number of emails and PMs over the years, and we discussed his Russel Knight several times. Unfortunately, I have no idea what became of it.

I knew that White, like Pierce manufacturing, was a well established and successful company long before turning to automobiles. All interest stuff!

I really do not like to complain. But, YEAH, CCCA means something! What is the proper etiquette here? Should I/we go up the the three dots in the upper right hand corner of the post and click on "Report"? I have done that once or twice for truly offensive postings. But I really do not like being a bother for relatively minor offenses.

Boy you sure know how to hurt a guy! I am so tempted! But I am fairly sure my wife would not like it. She wants something a bit nicer, and doesn't get the so original aspect of it. I have been looking at pictures of this car for a year now I think. At the higher price, it was easy to walk away. I couldn't believe the price you have on it now. If it was closer? I saw this on ebad last night myself. I don't know. The shipping costs are still an issue, coupled with not seeing it up close in person first. Somebody needs to buy this thing before I do something I will regret.

One thing I found out a long time ago in this hobby. There are a lot of things we will never completely sort out. A lot of car manufacturing companies built a lot of cars, that did not match the sales literature. I have told the story before on another thread a couple years ago. When a good friend of mine was having his National touring car restored, oh they had fun! The car's history was pretty well known, and the early 1910s car had been substantially updated in the early 1920s. Newer style top, windshield and fenders among other minor things. They had done a lot of research, and had copies of original literature, as well as original era photographs. The problem was, that the fenders in the photographs didn't quite match what was seen in most of the literature. They contacted a few owners of same year and supposedly model car, and found that all of the original fenders from one car to another didn't exactly match either. So there they were, trying to duplicate the long gone original fenders, and they couldn't even get an agreement between original literature and original photos, and even a couple restored cars to know what was really right! They finally settled on one style that seemed to be in several photos and closely matched two other surviving cars, one of which was close enough to go and take careful measurements, tracings, and photos of. Those were the fenders they duplicated for their National to return it to its early 1910s look. Even cars as well recorded as the model T Ford. During the 1920s, Ford offered several options for wheels on new model T Fords. A lot more than most people realize! Between three types of non-demountable rim clinchers between the mid 1910s and the end of production, two wooden felly styles, as well as a steel felly style. Two tremendously different types of demountable rim clincher wheels, the more common of which were manufactured by four different companies of which half of the rims will not properly fit the other company's wheels. Balloon style 21 inch straight side wheels and tires for three years, and in two differing brake drum sizes. Along with their Ford welded steel wire wheels available only for 1926 and 1927 model years. Ford's own archives have provided "dates of changes" saying that the steel felly non-demountable rim wheels will totally replace the wooden felly non-demountable rim wheels on such or such a date (several different dates have been found!). The problem with those "dates of changes"? Is that Ford's own factory photographs clearly show that the wooden felly wheels continued to be used clear until the end of production. Although records clearly show that the steel felly wheel (for the low cost option) will be exclusive, it never happened. I wish I had copies of the Ford factory photos to share, I do not. But I did get to see them in a private collection over forty years ago! It would take some digging but I do have copies of general era photos showing the wooden felly wheels on later cars than the records indicate should have had the steel felly wheels. While photos showing the wooden felly wheels are actually fairly common on early to mid 1920s model Ts, photos showing the steel felly wheels are around, but not nearly as common. In spite of the fact that the dates of changes indicate that everything by the mid 1920s should not have been the wooden felly wheels. One of the dates of changes I have seen was in 1921. But it clearly did not happen. The 1926/'27 wood or wire wheels have also been argued ad nauseum on model T websites. I don't care how many different people want to show me their copy of the sales literature that states quite clearly that certain body styles were going to all get the steel wire wheels as standard equipment at some point in 1926. Therefore ALL late 1926 and all 1927 such body style must have wire wheels in order to be properly restored. Literally hundreds of era photographs showing very late model Ts of those body styles, and even a few original copies of sales receipts, say it never happened. That may have been the factory's intention. And clearly they sent the letters, and printed the literature. But it did not happen. This is part of the fun, and frustration, of researching these things. NO one source alone can be fully believed. There are almost always exceptions, or outright errors, in recordkeeping.

Hey there Chris B ! I wish I had something good to offer. But the few people I knew years ago that sourced special chain, a few of them are gone now, and another I know the source he used has since gone away (I asked him about it almost ten years ago, and his source was already gone). That chain doesn't look too good, does it. It appears to have been cleaned up from a bit too rusty. But I find myself wondering. How badly worn is it? Has the length stretched enough to cause troubles? I have seen worn chains that couldn't pull properly because the cumulative wear of each and every link and pin and hole caused the chain to bunch up going around the large sprocket. That causes the chain to climb on the pull side of the large sprocket and can ruin the sprockets if they are good (and what I can see of the sprocket in your picture does look good) I did some looking at a project some years back that was going to need new chains. Some research I did at the time, I found a combination of two sizes of chains that I could have taken completely apart, and reassembled alternating pieces from a larger and smaller size chain to get a combined length and pitch that looked like it would work. I ended up not getting the project, so never actually had to do the work. I don't know if something like that could be found for yours or not?

And WE are very happy that you are here telling those stories! Thank you.

Great photo! Must be a 1913? Left hand driven. She I do not think knows how to crank a car, cause that is not the way to do so! Mark W, No such thing as "Free Shipping" either! One of my pet gripes about commercials.

And that appear to be a British bodied model TT. It was a popular style in England, and to a lesser extent other British Empire countries. Not a popular style in the USA. The license plate pretty much cinches it. Although I do not know what county or country that particular plate is from. Nice truck! Thank you for finding and posting it.

Very likely. But since Ford did not manufacture TT truck rear fenders, and they were made by several different companies that supplied after-market bodies and pieces, there is no one right standard rear fender. All that said, real original TT truck rear fenders are somewhat rare. Someone would be very happy to get those.

Peter G, I am mostly on your side on this issue. Just trying to explain the middle ground a bit for people that are not familiar with both the IT and its ways, and the silliness of people. I am guilty of some of the same silliness myself. I have a great dislike of a lot of the information mining so common these days, and don't like any store (seems like most stores these days!) that pushes me to have to sign up for THEIR "club" card. Do they not understand that I have to deal with about twenty different store chains? I should carry twenty different cards in my already uncomfortable wallet? So they tell me to use my phone number. For various reasons, I prefer to not use my cell phone number, and used to usually use the home landline (which as of this winter's storm downing the lines, we no longer have). My problem with the landline has been that my wife has insisted on changing the number half a dozen times in just the past fifteen years. So now, I go into a store I don't shop at often, long since lost the card, and they want to know my phone number! But I don't remember which one. A few store chains I go to often enough, I do remember which one, and give them a number I haven't had for almost fifteen years! I often wonder who has that number now, and feel a bit sorry if the store is selling THAT number for sales lists. I do need to update my passwords. It has been awhile. But I like my old one. The last past time I change my email password I needed to change it quickly due to some suspicious activity (see people! Hacking does happen! It was my wife's computer and accounts that got hacked.) I quickly changed my important passwords simply as a precaution, and monitored my accounts closely for a few months. I don't say it often enough. THANK YOU! To you Peter G, and all this site's moderators, the club volunteers that keep the offices running, make the tours possible, and everything else that make the AACA, HCCA, MTFCA, and dozens of other antique automobile clubs, all possible. THANK YOU!

I hate Yahoo. I have hated Yahoo for more than ten years now. As long as they allowed me to set "My Yahoo" up my way (within reasonable parameters!) and opt out of their silly updates that I did NOT want? I liked Yahoo. But once they changed their mind and made me have to look at their stupid ideas of what news I needed to see was? I have hated Yahoo. However, I have used a Yahoo email address as my primary email since Yahoo was a small startup. I do not want to change it, because longtime friends, clubs, rosters, for more than twenty years have it in their permanent records. I like it when a longtime friend reaches out to me. A lot of people do change their email often. My father-in-law once changed his three times in one month! He couldn't get along with anyone, tried every new startup in his area, never did find one he could get along with. And there are a lot of good reasons to change email. A lot of people use their work email. Jobs change? Email changes. A lot of people use what their ISP (Internet Service Provider, phone company, cable, satellite?) provides with the service. You move? Your ISP changes, your email changes. A very good friend a few years ago had to change his because he got a divorce (she got the email address!). So, it is understandable that some people will not remember what email address they signed on with. As for not logging out? Generally, in the IT (Internet or Information Technologies) world? That is not considered wise. In truth, it probably will not cause a problem. But it could. For instance, if your computer were to be hacked? And believe me, it DOES happen! If your computer is still logged onto the AACA forum? The hacker would have access to any members area that you have access to. This is one of the reasons new members cannot send PMs or see restricted photo files. Needing to "survive" some number of postings makes it difficult for would-be scammers to stay long enough to acquire that access. A hacked computer already logged on gives immediate access. I "try" to log out every night, and usually if I leave the house unattended for more than an hour or two. Most days, I log on when I get up, and log off last thing before turning in at night. This and one other forum, I usually check several times per day. And, caution. When logging out? Log out, then leave the computer on for a minute or so. SOMETIMES, I find, that if I shut my computer down immediately after logging off? Even though my computer SAYS "You have logged out"? The next morning, sometimes, I turn my computer on, and find I am still logged in. I suspect that is part of the way the system works. This, I am not an expert about, but I know more than the average bear? The website and my computer need to communicate with each other. They need to complete their "goodnight handshake". Even though my computer SAYS I have logged out, it isn't official until the handshake makes it official. If at that moment, some other minor activity interrupts that handshake before it is completed, BEFORE I shut my computer off? It will still be logged in the next time I go there. That happens on several websites. And me being silly me, I have played with the timing a number of times. The exact timing is random, hence, random interruptions. The other website I frequent often requires an even longer (sometimes a few minutes!) wait before shutting the computer down. For me? Switching over here? My computer did something I do NOT like for it to do. I keep turning a lot of those "gamer" functions (swipe etc) OFF! And somehow, they keep getting turned back on again! (DON'T get me started!) So about a week before the March one day? My computer somehow switched me to signing in with my email address! As much as I wanted to cuss out my computer for doing so, I left it that way and it has worked fine ever since. I suspect I would not have had any trouble with it on my own since my email hadn't changed. Hang in there! And good luck!

When I first saw that photo a couple days ago? I knew it wasn't, but it really reminded me of the Murphy bodied Duesenberg convertible coupe that Jack Passey had fifty years ago. I still think of that one as my all-time favorite model J!