Chris Bamford

That looks like it! Thanks, Keizer... 29 minutes 🙂

Out for a vintage streetcar club dinner and a table mate asked if I could date this car as an aid to dating the photo. Best I can do is late thirties... we’ll be here another hour or more, can anybody be more specific before this gang breaks up for the night. Thanks in advance!

Zooming in on one of your later photos, clearly there is no crown on your driven pulley. Looks like you either sort out the alignment or whatever else the belt needs needs to stay put or do as Carl suggests and machine in a crown. I would do the former.

It's impossible to keep politics completely out of any serious discussion of trade and tariffs, the policies around which are set by politicians who invariably act and react from a range of motivations and priorities. Having said that, I'm borderline amazed that this discussion has remained civil — and active. Thank you posters and moderators.

Seems like this broomstick business was a Canadian thing... "Joseph Morris was the owner of Edmonton's first automobile, a 1903 Ford Model A that he brought to town on May 25, 1904. Accordingly, he was granted license place number one. According to legend, until 1905 motorists in what would become Alberta were responsible for making their own license plates, and Morris elected to use a broomstick. He was brought into court for having an unsatisfactory license plate, but was able to convince the judge that displaying the broomstick vertically at the back of the car satisfied the requirement that his license number be displayed. Whether the legend is true or not, in 1905 Morris was issued with a leather license plate with the number one." — Wikipedia "Joseph Morris (Alberta Politician)"

Hi Ron, Chris Bamford here, 1912 KisselKar owner. A number of years ago Bob Woodburn in Bozeman MT had what I recall was a late ‘teens Kissel truck chassis. Solid tires, running gear present. It was available then and I expect is still.

Hello again Barnett, apologies for the tardy reply. Yes I still have my Orient, however, I do not have any detail photos handy, and I don't expect to see the car for the next couple months. I used to garage it at home and drove it regularly in the neighbourhood, but it now lives at a historic park some distance away. My last drive was in September. The three photos below are scanned from an appraisal done about 10 years ago. I'm not sure how original the Bonhams car (body) is. Some is surely original, some is recent.The front box is the right shape, but is a different wood type than the seat base box. Also, the oval hole for front box access is much different than mine, which has a larger rectangular opening. My car, below, distinctly shows joints above and below the leading edge curved piece. The Bonhams car wood is continuous in this area. My carburetor is not correct (modern small engine) but the placement down at frame level is right. The Bonhams car has the wrong carburetor and it is mounted high and near the intake valve. As a result, the fuel tank had to be located even higher and was hung below the seat back cushion. This gives us a clue regarding originality of the rear box — you can see in the side view the former half round notch behind the seat where the original tank was has now been filled in. The extended shroud around the cooling fan shown on the Bonhams car is likely a later embellishment. All the original and restored cars I've seen that have a shroud use a simple, shorter style like mine. The metal parts on both my car and the Bonhams example are repainted the wrong colour. It should be a deep Burgundy red, I think they called it Carmine. This colour is visible in various places on my car, underneath and where the newer bright red has flaked off (look at the top surfaces of the left front motor mount and upper left spring leaf). I've heard the type of restoration done on my Orient in the late fifties is termed a "Clean Knees" restoration. In other words, they painted everything they could see and reach without getting their pants dirty (or opening the rear deck). In those areas, the original Carmine red paint is obvious and the wood is not painted but stained as it should be. I hope this helps, and I applaud you for wanting your car to be correct. It's much more difficult to get things right than pretty good, but worth it IMO. Where are you located? I might be able to recommend another Orient reasonably near if you would like to visit and inspect.

Good morning Barnett For some reason, the photos you originally posted are no longer in that original post. I did find them however in your Edit History. The car you showed looks largely correct. The front "box" is not right, and I'm unsure of the flared seat base and the sides/front of the main box. The sloped surface wood is perhaps correct, but the vertical bits look a little too nice and seem a bit off. Wheels and fenders look correct, although the fenders would have been natural wood, so perhaps there is something changed there. The wheels on the Gilmore Museum (?) car are not right. Photo below is my 1906 Orient Buckboard, owned since 1995. Other than the colour, the car is very correct and original, even has the badges from being shown at Hershey in the late '50s. They can be made to run and drive reasonably well. Mine is happiest about 10-15 mph although I have achieved 22 mph on smooth level pavement in still air. Two years ago, a very presentable '05 or '06 Buckboard sold at RM's Hershey auction for a little less than $10K (IIRC and my notes are not handy). That seemed about right. This year at Hershey, there were FOUR Orients on auction by RM, a '1903, '04, '05 and '06. Only one appeared to have original body wood, and a bunch of shiny replacement wood is a turnoff for me. With four on offer, and it being a pretty goofy car to begin with, we expected sale prices to be low. Nonetheless, and perhaps the Hershey Lodge was spiking the bidders' water, every one brought prices in the low- to mid-$20K range!

Leosdad: You are right, we did show in HPOF in 2010 and have the badge to prove it. Nice that you remembered. Oldford: Hot coffee is a powerful draw. Thanks. Edinmass: got your PM thanks, if we don't connect earlier I'll text you at the HCCA lunch. 1937HD45: good food vendor nearby you say. Look for me around lunchtime one day. Trimacar: I'll make a stop there... what sort of treasures will you be parting with? old car fan: not sure about that "odd 7 /10" location?

At the airport now on my way east for Hershey. Not a lot on my shopping list this time but one thing I'd like to do is say howdy and put faces to names that post regularly on this forum, and add so much to this wonderful on-line community. Where can I find you three, and/or any other regular posters? (Restorer 32 RWO 8-17, Matt Harwood Corral B67-69, and Walt G (across from RNG 10-11) are already flagged on my maps.) Photo below is from Hershey 2010... my good friend Jerry and I drove the '47 Dodge 3,300 mile from Edmonton, AB to PA. Following the meet we parked it at a friend's place in VIrginia, picked it up in the spring and returned clockwise via Florida, Texas, Colorado and points between. A most memorable journey.

Had to look a bit for this photo from circa 1995. Bob is the fellow at far left, my Dad who passed 20 years ago has the grey shop coat. We were at Bob's place in Montana to pick up a crate of wheel parts a fellow in San Diego had shipped there for us. We, too, enjoyed a ride in the '12 KisselKar. The heavy duty truck is a late 'teens Kissel. Interesting to see how so many people, guys particularly, settle into the same style of clothing for decades. I remember Bob telling us some of his old car buddies used his place as an example to their wives of how their own accumulations weren't all that bad.

That’s a pretty cool rig!

The son of a local club member found this relic on his acreage in southern Alberta. It is looking for a new home. Any suggestions as to the origin?

UNTRUE and a very CRUEL notion — well-fed cats will pursue mice for sport.

1958, 1959 and 1960 Edsels in a row, Fort Assiniboine, Alberta car show, May 2016. Middle one is a 59 customized with retractable hard top.