wayne sheldon

Congratulations on a well earned rookie run!

This thread has been the high point of my day all week! Thank you all.

Hoping for wonderfully good things!

You just know there is a story behind that! Silly things people do planning to get back to it later. Nice looking car! I have been wondering how it was coming along.

Early cruise control. Works quite well if one likes such things. Doesn't automatically adjust for changes in grade, but the idea is the same. Personally, I dislike modern cruise controls! I much prefer paying attention to my driving, the changing conditions, and being one with my machine! Paying attention often prevents accidents! The funny part is that I love the hand throttle on a model T Ford and other earlier cars. While it has the same capability to set it and leave it as other cars with foot feeds and hand throttles? With only a hand throttle, one can tend to interact with it in a personal way. Again becoming one with one's machine. But that is silly ol' me.

One of the years we lived in Ferndale California, the California Mille Miglia stopped in. So I have been on both sides of that small towns welcoming major motoring events! It was great seeing all the participants in their vintage sports cars driving around on my streets! I really do hope I can get back to driving my antiques again. And hopefully before too much longer? Meantime, I do enjoy reading these threads! Thank you.

I am laughing with a momentary delight myself! "The Blues Brothers" was not my kind of movie. It had its moments, some neat interactions, and deep comedy beyond simple description. And I am very glad that I did watch the movie (way back when it was a big hit for most), just so I can appreciate its iconic social points. For this "car" in this race? To take a non-qualifying modern car after the abuse of the "race" car knocks it out of the race? Paint it up and decorate it with the silly roof pieces? Just to finish out the contest "in style"? Fits right in with the "We're on a mission never say die" theme of the movie! I love it! Did I pass my "social awareness" understanding the movie quiz?

I just commented on the other thread in response to comments by someone else there. Guess I should copy and paste here? The motor looks to be a real 1900ish steam engine (I am far from an expert on Stanleys, could maybe be one of their later ones or not). The chassis looks to be modern box tubing and modern welds. Some welds attaching old to new look very poor quality (probably due the the poor quality of the iron in the old pieces?). Quite a few old pieces were included on it. An interesting "attempt" at recreating something to appear early without enough knowledge of how an early vehicle would have been built. As I understand it, the later Stanley's engine was built onto the rear end, with parts integral between the two. I have seen them up close, but never looked really close. Early Stanley, Locomobile, and most other early steam cars the engine was separate from the rear end and the rear end was driven by a chain similar to gasoline automobiles of that early era. I would be very curious to see what the burner and boiler look like? I can't think of much else I would want to add to that? Other than the engine does appear to have a sprocket for a chain drive?

The motor looks to be a real 1900ish steam engine (I am far from an expert on Stanleys, could maybe be one of their later ones or not). The chassis looks to be modern box tubing and modern welds. Some welds attaching old to new look very poor quality (probably due the the poor quality of the iron in the old pieces?). Quite a few old pieces were included on it. An interesting "attempt" at recreating something to appear early without enough knowledge of how an early vehicle would have been built. As I understand it, the later Stanley's engine was built onto the rear end, with parts integral between the two. I have seen them up close, but never looked really close. Early Stanley, Locomobile, and most other early steam cars the engine was separate from the rear end and the rear end was driven by a chain similar to gasoline automobiles of that early era. I would be very curious to see what the burner and boiler look like?

I think we had a picnic with some of my cousins on that beach about forty years ago! Of course I have been to at least twenty different beaches on the California coast between San Francisco and San Diego. That in addition to at one time or another driving every mile of highway 1 between San Francisco and Los Angeles. About a hundred of those miles in antique automobiles at least once!

AJ, Small towns aren't for everybody. I love them! We lived in a quintessential small town for awhile. I fit right in like I had been there my whole life? My wife? Couldn't deal with the "country folk versus city folk" attitude (that almost all small towns have whether they want to admit it or not?). Four years later we were living somewhere else (Grass Valley, a somewhat larger small town, and she still has issues with it). I could probably move into any small town in the country and love it! The sad part was that she was a forth generation from the local county, and related to the small town's original settlers (originally settled in the 1850s!). She should have fit right in, in spite of the fact that her dad moved them away when she was a small child.

Beautiful car!

One should always have a ready scapegoat! Even if it is oneself.

Oh----, THAT is a theatre I want to be in, along with a few hundred other people that enjoy such things, and watch classic silent films! If one has not experienced it, "Wings" (1927) on the big screen with proper musical accompaniment just cannot even be imagined (I have seen it that way several times!)! A few Douglas Fairbanks' finest ("Zorro", "Son of Zorro"), Rudolf Valentino spectacles ("Sheik" "Son of the Sheik") (Hollywood did sequels in the silent era also!), and several great comedies especially like Buster Keaton (Steamboat Bill Jr" is my favorite!) and the frenetic Harold Lloyd are so much better on the big screen with proper music! The ever- (or is it over-??) -loved Charlie Chaplin is even better on the big screen. But to really appreciate him, one must watch something other than his overly shown few films. Better than his comedies, the master of pathos needs to be seen on the big screen. "City Lights" (1931) (and you will love the automobiles!) and "The Kid" (1921) can bring one to tears. Thank you for including those photos in the daily update! Travel Safely! And as we used to say on Endurance Runs? Be fast. Be early. Eat ice cream.

Know any history of this car? Wish I was there. Have a wonderful time!

Forgive us. However, many (most?) of us here have been down this road LITERALLY hundreds of times!!!!!! I had probably been down this road more than a hundred times before there was an internet! Real time, face to face with real people. Did I just win the lottery? Is my car I just bought really the last Stutz Bearcat existing in the world??? Did my model T really belong to Henry Ford himself???? I bet if I thought about it I could come up with a couple dozen silly questions I have ACTUALLY AND FOR REAL heard! "No, you just paid $600 for something I refused to buy for $75 just two weeks ago. ACTUALLY HAPPENED!" "No, you bought a model T speedster. And there are about fifty real Stutz Bearcats in the world!" Has actually happened to me personally at least five different times! "Henry Ford actually owned every model T ever made because he owned the factory that made them! He never personally saw or drove YOUR car." Also actually seen myself about five times! Facts get forgotten. Wild speculation gets enhanced and becomes rumors believed to be facts. All of a sudden, every part of a used to be a car becomes the holy grail. What you show in these photos is interesting, and may be of some value. I can't tell from this what it was. However I could name a hundred things it is not. It could be late 1910s, or early 1920s. That judging by the frame design and two-wheel brakes. I don't "think" it is as early as 1913? But it could maybe be? Frames alone are not needed very often. Once in a while a frame may be damaged or rusted away enough that a better one is needed? Finding that one person that needs the one frame you have is like the impossible dream! The rear end, brakes and suspension would be good things for someone with the right car to have as spare parts. Unfortunately, most hobbyists these days don't believe in keeping spare parts (although I still do!). If someone had the right engine and transmission for it? This could be the beginning of a great speedster! Even for that, not a lot of dollar value unless it is one of the fifty or so "right" cars. Good luck!

You are welcome. It will become a great story IF I can get it finished.

Can't really trust google, and they have gotten a lot worse in the past year. About a week go, on another forum, I answered a post in a foreign language. I knew the words I wanted, but wasn't sure about the spelling. So, I requested a translation, using quotes just as I had several times before. However, this time, instead of translating what I had in quotes? They literally translated the (now in quotes, then wasn't) request "translate English to German" to "Englisch ins Deutsche ubursetzen", and did NOT translate the phrase I had requested be translated. It worked about a month earlier. But they keep changing their protocols. What used to make sense and worked fine, no longer does. Silly modern world.

Both the car in the weeds and the picture posted by keiser31 appear to be 1924 or 1925, high hood models. The lower style hood ended in 1923. The car shared by keisr31 has been dolled up with brass trim and oil sidelamps (which it could have had IF it was a no starter option car!). With the demountable rim clincher wheels and tires the car is likely a 1924, although the clinchers were also an option in 1925. For 1925, the new "balloon" style wheels and tires were much more popular! The car in the weeds is more difficult to see, however, a close look reveals the firewall to be the 1924 or 1925 higher and wider style rather than the earlier low style. Although, a car butchered that much could have had almost anything changed at some point. It could be parts from almost any years.

My Paige is a 1927 model 6-45 five passenger four-door sedan. It is the small Paige for that year, and in fact was supposed to be the Jewett for that year. Harry Jewett had decided to retire (having made a couple fortunes in his life!), but had done such a fine job managing the Paige Detroit company for so many years with so few managerial upheavals that most of the upper management was also nearing retirement. The automotive industry had changed a lot in a few years, with so many of the companies supplying parts for their cars being bought out by the big companies, that Paige for the first time in fifteen years found themselves facing some difficult choices. The upper management decided that rather than fight the future, it would be best to sell the company as a whole. So for their final year, they upped the 6-45 to the Paige name in hopes of boosting sales and bettering their sales potential. The Graham brothers were at that same time looking for their next opportunity, flush with cash from the Chrysler buyout of Dodge Brothers (a much longer, more complicated, and interesting story full of intrigue, family squabbles, back-stabbing?), bought Paige Detroit as a foundation for their automotive empire! Although a fine car, the Graham's timing could not have been much worse with the stock market crash just two and a half years in the future. My dad was a good person, with great ideas, but he lacked the focus to accomplish much. He bought the Paige to be the "great family project" when I was fifteen. Within a year, the car was apart and buried in his garage under so much stuff that I couldn't get near enough to it to do any work on it. When I was seventeen, I bought a 1929 Reo coupe that I sometimes drove to high school, and joined a couple local antique automobile clubs, driving the Reo on numerous tours. I eventually sold the Reo in order to restore a 1925 Studebaker I bought from a friend, and had by that time also restored a model T speedster which I drove extensively for several years. Over the years I have restored about a dozen other antique automobiles, mostly model Ts. And eventually the Paige officially became mine. Family demands have usually gotten in the way of the more extensive restoration the Paige deserves. However I managed to have a couple years where I got a lot of good work done on it before family got in the way again. With a little luck? Maybe in a year or two I can get back to doing serious work on the Paige? Definitely the top of my bucket list.

I do find the way your tail lamp is mounted to be a bit odd, not like most Chryslers (or anything else American) for those few years Standing high on a post that way was not common during those years. However I have seen a few other export models done that way. If I could only remember where? Golf bag doors and rumble seat steps were "usually" opposite the driver's side of the car. But not always! Again, often on export models, the body forms were built to fit the local sales. I read a lot of posts from Australian and New Zealand members, and have seen golf bag doors done both ways.

Prewar cars, especially any from before the stock market crash of 1929, often have little or no known or traceable history. They had to survive most of twenty years as just an "old car", basic transportation during very tough times when most people were too concerned with survival to care about who owned the car before themselves. Many states and territories around the world did not even keep records for many decades, officially, the car was forgotten the day it was bought. Many more places either lost or destroyed records after some few years. There are many exceptions! Especially in luxury automobiles. Duesenberg is one of the most researched automobiles of all time. The ownership history and current status is known for most of all the cars they ever built! Rolls Royce, Cadillac, and Pierce Arrow among others kept extensive records on most of the cars they built, at least during the "Classic era". Some lesser known Classic marques did so as well. However, for the more common makes of automobiles? Original ownerships were not recorded by the manufacturer, and maybe one car out of ten might have official records still showing its early decade or so? So many of our cherished early automobiles exist for our pleasure, on their merits alone. The car is what it is, whatever that may be, with more than a few doubts about what it may have been. So, we study their general history, and take them as they are, or maybe try to improve them as we see fit to do. (I always try to make my cars appear more era correct than I think they are!) I think that Chrysler is a nice addition to your fine collection!

Love the seat ends and Goodyear piece! Take god care of you Walt. W2

Believe it or not? Underneath that European body and odd radiator is a model T Ford! In addition to Canada, and England at that time, there was a Ford assembly plant in I believe it was the Netherlands. The assembled Ford chassis and sometimes supplied some rather interesting bodywork. I can see the model T pan and wishbone hiding under there. and looking close, a few other minor details.

I love that Sedanette! It is the sort of car I could have gone nuts for a decade or two ago. However, I have passed the point of getting anything that needs that much work. I still hope to be able to get the time to finish restoring the Paige my dad bought when I was fifteen. It was nearly that rough when he got it. I have restored a dozen other cars over the years, and found time enough to get the Paige about a third done, so it doesn't look so bad now. I have two other unfinished cars that need to be done before I can seriously begin on the Paige again. I have always enjoyed bringing cars back from the brink! I often joke that I don't "restore" antique cars. I "resurrect" them. I do hope to see some progress reports on this one. (Read that as I am envious!)