58L-Y8 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1926 ROLLS ROYCE SILVER GHOST SPORT SEDAN (LYONS , IL) Still Available, Relisted 3-12-2023. See New Link Below, 1926 ROLLS ROYCE SILVER GHOST SPORT SEDAN - cars & trucks - by owner... (craigslist.org)UP FOR SALE FROM A PRIVATE COLLECTOR THIS RARE AND VERY IMPORTANT ROLLS ROYCE , ONE OF ONLY FOUR EVER MADE BY BREWSTER COACH BUILDER ( CALLED THE SPECIAL NEWMARKET PERMANENT SPORT SEDAN ). FOR MORE INFORMATION ,YOU CAN REACH ME AT (number below). ONLY SERIOUS BUYERS PLEASE . THANKS Contact: JIM call: (708) two-8-8-two-five-8-8 Copy and paste in your email: 5b7eaf39105f34a19e5223a69ac78db6@sale.craigslist.org This can't be for real???? Edited March 14, 2023 by 58L-Y8 Still Available, Relisted 3-12-2023. (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deaddds Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 That is the best looking 4 dr i think Ive seen, ever. Hell, I didnt realize it was a 4 dr until I saw the interior shots. So its a RR but not a 26? Different year or what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesR Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 So is this likely a bogus ad, then? Certainly the legit owner of a car like this would know what it is. The implications of this are not very clear. Very pretty car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Jake Moran Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 There is a name and phone number and no lowball price as we normally see in scam ads (unless I missed it) so it could be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) On 2/5/2021 at 12:15 AM, deaddds said: That is the best looking 4 dr i think Ive seen, ever. Hell, I didnt realize it was a 4 dr until I saw the interior shots. So its a RR but not a 26? Different year or what? It’s a 1933 PII, Body by Brewster. The hood extends from the radiator to the windshield frame........the longest hood of any car I have ever delt with. It’s has perfect proportions. After looking over the photos for a second time, it’s a 1933 PII body on a Ghost chassis. It’s probably done in the era. I’m a big Ghost fan, but having that body on the earlier chassis will drastically affect price. Still a fantastic and beautiful car. I have worked on one of the three on the PII chassis. Edited March 16, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Fan Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I remember the one that rm sold 10 years ago or so. auctioneer asked where do we want to start it? one bidder yelled out a high bid within the estimate and everyone else sat down. Only time I have seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, edinmass said: It’s a 1933 PII, Body by Brewster....having that body on the earlier chassis will drastically affect price. So, it must be a 1933 body on a 1926 chassis? I know that Rolls-Royce owners often updated their cars by having them rebodied by Rolls. Were Rollses in this era as unnecessarily complex as the later ones? I hope not. Admirable engineering builds things to last, but keeps the engineering foundationally simple. It does have nice lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) It is a 26 Silver Ghost that was rebodied in period by Brewster with a Special Newmarket body typically found on the PII. Ed and I were debating the numbers this morning, and I can't find the list right now but I'm going to say there was single Special Newmarket placed on the Silver Ghost chassis, this car, another placed on the Phantom I (car is in Texas) and then 3 or 4 placed on the Phantom II chassis. This is a GREAT car but I have no idea why the owner marketed it for years on a dealer website in England and then decided to put it on Craig's List. If we are devaluing the car, why not just throw it on eBay? The last Phantom II Newmarket sold for 1.2 million, I would expect this one to be worth somewhere under 1/2 of the PII. Edited February 5, 2021 by alsancle (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Why do Rolls-Royce coachbuilders in particular always insist on making the trunk lids open backwards and awkwardly? It looks like a rumble seat. Would it really have hurt anything functionally or aesthetically to have it hinged at the top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Matt Harwood said: Why do Rolls-Royce coachbuilders in particular always insist on making the trunk lids open backwards and awkwardly? It looks like a rumble seat. Would it really have hurt anything functionally or aesthetically to have it hinged at the top? The tool kit goes in the lid which wouldn't work if it was hinged the other way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 It's a Rolls-Royce. Aren't tools supposed to be superfluous? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Ok...disclosure. I know for a fact the tool kit will not fit in the back trunk of one of these cars. I have extensive experience with one of the PII cars with this body on it. The tool kit is HUGE and probably weighs in at forty pounds. The kit goes in a very large box under the rear seat. You remove the lower cushion and the entire seat lower frame flips up for access to the tool kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, alsancle said: The tool kit goes in the lid which wouldn't work if it was hinged the other way. Nope........see above.....an unfair advantage! Edited February 5, 2021 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Just now, edinmass said: Ok...disclosure. I know for a fact the tool kit will not fit in the back trunk of one of these cars. I have extensive experience with one of the PII cars with this body on it. The tool kit is HUGE and probably weighs in at forty pounds. The kit goes in a very large box under the rear seat. You remove the lower cushion and the entire seat lower frame flips up for access to the tool kit. Since I can't find a picture of one in the trunk lid I'll retract my last statement. A prewar Rolls Royce probably carries the most extensive tool kit of any prewar car. Part of why they were 20k bucks and a Duesenberg was 12-14. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, John_S_in_Penna said: Were Rollses in this era as unnecessarily complex as the later ones? I hope not. Admirable engineering builds things to last, but keeps the engineering foundationally simple. It does have nice lines. Nice Lines? John.......this is one the most beautiful four door cars ever designed...............and they have been mostly been in the great collections of the world. It's impolite to name where these cars have been , but trust me......they reside in collections similar to the Nethercutt Collection. Not just a good liking car......it's a masterpiece. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said: So, it must be a 1933 body on a 1926 chassis? I know that Rolls-Royce owners often updated their cars by having them rebodied by Rolls. Were Rollses in this era as unnecessarily complex as the later ones? I hope not. Admirable engineering builds things to last, but keeps the engineering foundationally simple. It does have nice lines. 10 years ago Ed would lecture me about cars to avoid and always mentioned prewar Rolls. Then he got his hands on a few cars and changed his tune. On the plus side: 1. Very strong club support. 2. Almost all parts are available. 3. Build quality is through the roof. On the negative side: 1. Complex systems 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 The Silver Ghost listing in Rolls-Royce in America by John Webb di Campi, Copyright 1975, page 226: Chassis Number: S374RL Body Style: Stratford convertible coupe Builder & Number: B2839 First Owner: G.L. Waggoner City: Fort Worth, Texas Delivery Date: 5/14/27 Second Body & Comments: "Spec 4p conv sdn B7403 (1935); B2839 scrapped; 3rd body: limo." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 It's a very late, LHD Silver Ghost chassis (which has a 3-speed transmission and center shift) with a much later body - all of which is believable in period although if the body was changed during the working life of the car there will be a record of it...as we can see from the above, this chassis has had several bodies since new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, edinmass said: Nice Lines? John.......this is one the most beautiful four door cars ever designed...............and they have been mostly been in the great collections of the world. It's impolite to name where these cars have been , but trust me......they reside in collections similar to the Nethercutt Collection. Not just a good liking car......it's a masterpiece. Absolute! Quoting one of the great lines from the M.A.S.H. television show, to say this Rolls-Royce Brewster has "Nice Lines" is like saying "Ava Gardner had nice features"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, alsancle said: 10 years ago Ed would lecture me about cars to avoid and always mentioned prewar Rolls. Then he got his hands on a few cars and changed his tune. To be fair.......I said you don't want one because you can't find a good one. And if you do, you can't afford it. I also said the only good ones I knew of back then were owned by George H. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 2/5/2021 at 9:41 AM, Matt Harwood said: It's a Rolls-Royce. Aren't tools supposed to be superfluous? Ask to see a complete tool kit for a Ghost or RRPI - it's a LOT of tools. Good news though as most of cars have low mileage as they were mind blowing for most to work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 On 2/5/2021 at 9:36 AM, Matt Harwood said: Why do Rolls-Royce coachbuilders in particular always insist on making the trunk lids open backwards and awkwardly? It looks like a rumble seat. Would it really have hurt anything functionally or aesthetically to have it hinged at the top? Remember I said it had to be hinged down for the tools so because they were heavy? I'm still looking for that example, but here is one that shows the opposite of what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 Still Available, Relisted 3-12-2023. 1926 ROLLS ROYCE SILVER GHOST SPORT SEDAN - cars & trucks - by owner... (craigslist.org) Seller's Description: UP FOR SALE IS A RARE AND VERY IMPORTANT ROLLS ROYCE SILVER GHOST PERMANENT SEDAN , ONE OF ONLY FIVE BODY EVER MADE BY THE AMERICAN COACH-BUILDER BREWSTER , THEY WHERE MADE ORIGINALLY FOR PHANTOM TWO CHASSIS , THREE OF THOSE BODIES WERE MOUNTED ON P II CHASSIS , ONE WAS MOUNTED ON P I CHASSIS AND LAST ONE WAS MOUNTED ON THIS GHOST LEFT HAND DRIVE CHASSIS BY BREWSTER HIM SELF BY THE REQUEST OF THE FIRST OWNER ( Guy Waggoner) BACK IN 1933 .When Brewster fitted the body on the Ghost chassis, he also added 4-wheel brakes with vacuum booster. there is an article written about this car in the flying lady magazine back in April 1954, will be glade to share it with interested buyer. this Rolls has only 33000 original miles, sat in a museum in Texas for over 50 years, interior and leather roof are in remarkable original condition, doors shut as solid as it could be. very nice inside interior wood trim, the car was painted, and chassis has been gone thru back in 2007, car never been driven for a good number of years, engine turns freely, will require a rolls Royce mechanic to waking her up.there are many Rolls Royces out there but only few that stand out and this Rolls is one of them.last one sold at RM auction back in 2017 for 1,23 million. Henley Roadster bring 1.7 million and I think the sport sedan is more attractive than the Roadster. but thats my Owen opinion. feel free to contact me for any farther info. SEE A LINK BELOW FOR THE LAST ONE SOLD LIKE MINE .https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/AM17/Amelia-Island/lots/r343-1933-rolls-royce-phantom-ii-special-newmarket-permanent-sedan-by-brewster/411637The price I am asking for my car is near the price of the car that is sold at RM auction. I am open for reasonable offers.may consider vintage Bentley as partial trade in. (4 1/2 liter, 6 1/2 liter or 8 liter) Contact: JIM call: (708) two-8-8-two-5-8-8 Copy and paste in your email: 3f3ff13e8b4a3df1b532551de9fbeb20@sale.craigslist.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) Hate to rain on the guys parade. The car with a ghost chassis is probably only 40 percent of the RM Amelia auction value at best. The Amelia car, which I was driving today is the only car with bucket seats and NO divider window. A much different car in terms of historical and chassis as well as provenance. The Amelia car was one of a PAIR delivered to the same people. World record price for a ghost(Springfield) is much lower than the dream number he is asking. Still a good car, just not a great car.………Ed Photo is the Amelia car, in the Italian Alps, at Villa d’est on tour. A great drive. Edited March 16, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I forgot to mention. I have a photo of his Special Newmarket when NEW at the Springfield Airport. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) I thought it was sold? EDIT: No, it was not. Edited March 16, 2023 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 "Still a good car, just not a great car".………Ed Many of us could be immensely happy with this merely "good car"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just the reality of the situation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 It is a great car. Ignore him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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