bobs1916 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Thought you might like to see this plate from my FWD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 4:22 PM, ron hausmann said: Thanks Bob, I’m aware that this horn is a poison gas alarm horn as it is marked on the case. The reason I’ve mounted it here is because it’s case also has a “US Army” casting on it and a “1918” cast date. Those touches, as well as the brass “1918 Ammunition Carrier” plaque on the cowl certainly will give the vehicle an identity and some provenance. Saves a lot of question-answering! Take care. Ron On 1/27/2022 at 4:22 PM, ron hausmann said: Thanks Bob, I’m aware that this horn is a poison gas alarm horn as it is marked on the case. The reason I’ve mounted it here is because it’s case also has a “US Army” casting on it and a “1918” cast date. Those touches, as well as the brass “1918 Ammunition Carrier” plaque on the cowl certainly will give the vehicle an identity and some provenance. Saves a lot of question-answering! Take care. Ron Ron here is a Dodge light repair truck with what appears to be a gas alarm horn mounted on the cowl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Ron I have shown great interest and curiosity in your project as I am embarking on a not so different one. Here is the GMC model 16 truck which I have brought home with the intention of building the second type AA Ambulance body. The period photo shows both body types with the closed box style in the foreground and a couple of the slat body types (your type) in the center with the canvas rolled down. bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, bobs1916 said: Ron I have shown great interest and curiosity in your project as I am embarking on a not so different one. Here is the GMC model 16 truck which I have brought home with the intention of building the second type AA Ambulance body. The period photo shows both body types with the closed box style in the foreground and a couple of the slat body types (your type) in the center with the canvas rolled down. bob Best of luck on your build. Your GMC chassis is longe4 than my Kissel chassis is so you will have a less tight driver compartment. once you start, you’ll find that there’s really only one way that you can frame that body, open or closed. if I am help, let me know. Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 hours ago, ron hausmann said: Best of luck on your build. Your GMC chassis is longe4 than my Kissel chassis is so you will have a less tight driver compartment. once you start, you’ll find that there’s really only one way that you can frame that body, open or closed. if I am help, let me know. Ron Thanks Ron There is an original GMC ambulance not far from me . I plan to see it as soon as the weather warms up bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Ron I missed getting this plate. It was for a subcontracted GMC ambulance. I hope to get it duplicated. It gives you an idea as to the style of plates that were used on these lighter trucks bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 21 hours ago, bobs1916 said: Ron Your meticulous build is to be commended. I do have a few questions/comments. Several of the pictures you posted of period vehicles are the GMC model 16 AA US Army ambulance first body style. Is this the model on which you based your vehicle? I am curious as I am in the process of building a type 2 body style GMC Army ambulance body on an original Type 16 chassis. As a point of information, and nothing less , the Army artillery body the plate which you mounted on your truck was used either on the 3 ton FWD or Nash truck chassis. I know you have great attention to detail and perhaps if you might want to secure or fabricate a simple brass plate that was on the 3/4 ton ambulance . This IMHO would be more accurate because it appears to me that you have in fact recreated a near perfect Type AA army ambulance on a Kissel chassis. There are very few people that would know of, or even care about , the remarks I have just made as to WW 1 vehicle minutia. I share it with you in case you might be interested. Hey Bob, You are a wealth of knowledge and I appreciate your information! It all helps. I am aware that the plaque I’ve mounted likely came from a much heavier FWD or Nash WW1 truck. I contacted Heil company who originally made the truck for which the plaque was made, but they have no records and were really clueless. The real (and selfish) reason that I’ve put artillery markings on this light truck, which could also be an ambulance, is more personal. I did a lot of research to do this naming. Here goes. A. Kissel made military trucks before WW1. Well documented. Even international sales. B. Kissel was located in farm country Wisconsin.. C. The US Army experimented and researched using trucks before WW1 in Wisconsin. True story. D. I was born where Kissels were made in Wisconsin. On a farm near Hartford and West Bend. E. I have since lived in Michigan for 50 years. F. In 1917 the Wisconsin and Michigan National Guards were “federalized” into the US Army 32nd Division, better known as the “Red Arrow” Division. G. As part of this federalization, the Wisconsin National Guard’s “1st Wisconsin Cavalry” became the US Army’s “120 Field Artillery Regiment”. H. Before Federalization, the Wisconsin National Guard had some motor vehicles. In all likelihood, they used Wisconsin Built motor vehicles for the Wisconsin NG. With all that military history, as well as my own personal history, I’ve recreated this light artillery truck and marked it with the Wisconsin-Michigan Red Arrow Division symbol as well as the 120th Field Artillery emblem. I always was enamored by cavalry movies as a kid, and now I can be part of that business thru this truck. Sorry for the long-winded ness . Ron Hausmann 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Today in Miami, while our northern friends are digging out.........it was sunny and breezy today..........here is a car that matches the theme of the thread...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, edinmass said: Today in Miami, while our northern friends are digging out.........it was sunny and breezy today..........here is a car that matches the theme of the thread...... Early 1921 Kissel Model 6-45 Gold Bug Speedster. Early 21’s had flat fenders and full running boards; Late 21 they changed to step plates and crowned fenders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 AHHH so it is becoming clear. Nevertheless it is a superb short wheelbase ambulance/light artillery truck that I hope you can enjoy as much as I enjoy my Great War vehicles. I may very well be in touch as I move ahead my my latest project and I will refer back to this thread to replicate some of your details. One quick question where did you secure your khaki canvas? It looks spot on and I was thinking maybe I use khaki this time rather than OD. It took me 7 months to find the color and weight as specified in 1918 manual . It was made on old US looms that had been sold off to an Indian canvas maker. I found a shop in Louisiana that imports it to use on heavy trucks. The army used both OD and khaki and often you can see both colors in one photo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 Bob, Since these vehicles were often brush painted in the field by troopers using a poorly described paint recipie, and since the term “khaki” can have numerous meanings, it stood to reason to me that there should be a lot of variations. I, like you have seen many different WW1 vehicles painted a wide range of colors. Really anything close is correct. My body is painted with a Rustoleum shade I’ve identified earlier in this thread. And then I added brushstrokes. To make sure it is drab. As to canvas, I just asked my top guy to match as good as he could. Thanks, Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 All - Ok getting back to finishing the 1917 Kissel military truck. Waiting for body from painter to be able to continue restoring my 1923 Kissel Gold Bug, so have time. Here is the “brand new” nearly finished Kissel engine, number 38-4631. It’s casting date was 2-1-17 and it’s head was cast 2-27-17. The conncecting rods and crankshaft are numbers-matching. Had a hard time getting the water pump to work. For now, we are mounting a model 45 pump on this model 38 engine because I have a spare and these interchange. Probably 5 people in the world will ever be able to tell the difference! Beautiful workmanship on this old girl. Ron Hausmann P.E. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojh. Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Fantastic! I just read thru the thread and admired the passion you commit to the build of this truck, just fantastic. Here's a photo of the 1918 Quad I work on, its been converted to civilian use and has an added hydraulic dump bed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretch cab Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Does your hydraulic cylinder go vertical lifting the box by the cables attached to the corners? That is pretty neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 As of December 30, 2022, here are pictures of the engine for the 1917 Kissel light truck. It’s going to be painted 1-1-2023. Ron Hausmann P.E. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 Looking good! New Kissel 6-38 engine. ron hausmann 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 All dressed up and ready to go.! turned it over dry today for first time. will test run this week. Ron Hausmann P.E. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojh. Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 That looks great Ron, love your cradle, you don't mind if I shamelessly copy it I hope? I have a 6cyl to assemble and have been wondering how best to do it. I have a question, when you cleaned your carburetor, you mentioned soaking it in an industrial cleaner, do you recall the brand name? Thanks, Oj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, ojh. said: That looks great Ron, love your cradle, you don't mind if I shamelessly copy it I hope? I have a 6cyl to assemble and have been wondering how best to do it. I have a question, when you cleaned your carburetor, you mentioned soaking it in an industrial cleaner, do you recall the brand name? Thanks, Oj I just soaked it in a bucket of hardware store “parts cleaner” but then disassembled and cleaned each piece with “carb cleaner”. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Here is where the Buick trucks in 1915 went to the war effort. Chassis of choice of the British Red Cross. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 All, After nearly a year that I spent working on m 1924 Kissel Gold Bug, I’ve returned t finishing the 1917 Kissel US Army Light Truck.. Last we3k we cranked up the engine with the help of a new Remy 284 coill and correct distributor cap. Today we put the engine into the truck , with hopes that she will be drive able by next week. Things went surprisingly easy during the install. Here are pctures. Ron Hausmann P.E. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I'm not surprised it went well. Does anyone know as much about Kissel's as you do! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 Well today we ran it and she purrs! here are pictures of a completed Kissel Midel 6-38 engine, perfectly balanced, and complete. We will test drive her Friday morning! Ron Hausmann P.E. 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Are those model T Ford sidelamps, or after-market knockoffs made and sold by the same companies that made the lamps for Ford? After-market versions were made using the same patterns and dies as used to make the lamps for Ford, and were sometimes identical to the Ford lamps, and sometimes had subtle differences. I have an odd pair (not complete as I swiped a couple parts I needed for my model T) of after-market commercial lamps that clearly were made by the same companies that Made Ford's lamps, and over the years have seen several others. The pair I have mount on a single bolt out the back of the lamp just like the Ford lamps were mounted. Some of the after-market lamps mounted on a single bolt out one side instead. My pair has smooth big clear lenses without the ripples in circles like the Ford lamps had, and also has a smaller clear lens on one side, mirror images of each other (a right and a left lamp). Originally, these were often mounted on the back of the cab of trucks so workers could see to load or unload the truck at night. It is a long story why, but late in model T production, the non-starter model Ts had an odd tail-lamp that was sort of the earlier more common version turned sideways. It was called the "Ford-O" tail-lamp. Ford-O tail-lamps are quite common today and not worth much because nobody really wants them. They were lousy tail-lamps when new, the red tail lens was too small and the clear license plate lens was too large, the combination proved not very effective. So when the loss leader non-starter cars were purchased new, many purchasers replaced the silly Ford-O lamp with a used easily gotten cheap older Ford tail-lamp. Hundreds, maybe even thousands, of Ford-O tail-lamps found themselves sitting on barn shelves for decades only to be found and kept later. I personally have seen probably fifty Ford-O tail-lamps at swap meets, and have one of them in nearly NOS condition sitting on a shelf in my "barn" (it came in a box full of Ford lamps and parts that I bought years ago)! Just some unusual information about oil lamps of the era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 All, Started her up and tuned her today. Some modest trim work, hood adjustment, lighting, and minor other things to do. But she’s essentially ready to cruise with nine Grandchildren Ron Hausmann P.E. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 SWEEEEEEEEEEEET! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Don Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Hello, here is the only image I still have of our shop's business card. Mr. Freiler started the business in 1970, and the Veit Nam War was still going. The war was of course very unpopular, and though he wanted a military vehicle, he also wanted something unique, and maybe hopeful. -he chose an ambulance. This artwork was drawn off of a scratch-built model, (a GMC / Model T hybrid). Unfortunately, the shop closed back in the late 90's, after almost 30 years and a lot of good times! I thought you might find it of interest. Edited March 5 by Mr. Don (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrward Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Not to derail anything but that business card for Paul Freiler's Historical Models brings back memories. I spent a lot of time in that shop(both locations) admiring the completed models on display and trying to decide which kit I could afford. Many of the customers seemed to be engineers from TRW or Hughes. Thanks Don!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 All - Finally after several years, the Kissel 6-38 engine is installed, tuned, and running. And the headlights are mounted. Just some final wiring, horn, trim and a lot of remedial cleaning and touch up, but she’s essentially done!,, Ron Hausmann P.E. 13 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 So Cool Ron. I believe the Greenbrier is featuring "working cars" this year. This would seem to fit right in with that theme........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike "Hubbie" Stearns Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 It’s always great to see the finish line. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 All - Closing out this topic with a couple pictures of the finished vehicle. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Looks good Ron. Now it’s time to build a Kissel tow truck! 👍 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 Pictures from Woodward Dream Cruise August, 2024 and TV reporters. Ron Hausmann P.E. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Not sure which I like best? The truck? Or the smiles on all the kids! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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