alsfarms Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 Yes, that appears to be a 1909 or 1910 Locomobile Model L Touring car. That is a very nice period photograph. Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 What I like about the picture is the wife is the one behind the wheel. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 On 5/1/2022 at 8:15 AM, edinmass said: Richard…..you never find Loco’s. You must hunt them. It’s a small world(Loco) in the car hobby. HCCA is the club to network with. Also, the Loco threads here. There are only two types of any year Loco………ones that are active and seen at shows and tours……….most of them are well sorted as they are owned by experienced car people. The other type is cars sitting and forgotten till someone passes on. Getting one of them running and reliable is difficult at best. There is no supply of parts at all…….except tires and tubes, and today even that is spotty. A Loco is for an accomplished and experienced car collector. You seldom see them sold outside their little world they revolve around. If you want one…..chase on, one is never going to fall in your lap. It’s a lot of work finding and buying cars……..it isn’t easy. Find good cars is extremely difficult. Ed, not to nit pick, but in response to my observations on other threads about how difficult it is to find decent , interesting cars in my part of the world you have on a few occasions stated that great cars turn up for you all the time. You almost have to fight them off. A bit inconsistent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 1909 or early 1910: My reasoning: Rushmore Headlights Gray and Davis triple tier side lights skirtless rear fenders Edited August 2, 2022 by ak (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Thats going back to May........If I remember my thoughts at that time.........we were talking about the speedster........so good cars from say 1905-1915 are exceptionally difficult to find.......later cars not so much. Edited August 2, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 Agreed, I wonder why the wife has not pushed for a windshield! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 hours ago, edinmass said: Thats going back to May........If I remember my thoughts at that time.........we were talking about the speedster........so good cars from say 1905-1915 are exceptionally difficult to find.......later cars not so much. Yes they are . Around here even 1916 - 1929 are difficult unless you are talking about bread and butter cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 hours ago, alsfarms said: Agreed, I wonder why the wife has not pushed for a windshield! Al Al, my feeling is people drove for pleasure more than anything in those early years and windshields aren't necessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 Pleasure driving may be very true in some areas. However, the early automobile was looked at as a tool to get around in the wide open spaces here in the early 1900's west. My Great Grand mother and Grand mother would not have been kind about eating dirt, eating bugs with wind in the face here on a typical early road trip. In the early 1900's, here in the rural west, nothing was closer than 40 or 50 miles and yes, it was all dirt. We didn't even get gravel until the 1940's. To this day we still have our share of back country dirt roads and lots of gravel roads. Our last main road artery was oiled in the mid 1950's, thankfully. What a blessing! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 rabbit hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AHa Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 It may be just me, but I don't believe people bought Locomobiles to get from point A to point B. Look at the picture again. The couple is taking a leisurely drive along a body of water. Locomobiles were bought for the prestige of being seen in one. Yes, they are a high quality car and it may have been different in the dusty west. The road beside my house was dirt for a while and I used to tear up and down it in one of my cars, leaving a cloud of dust I had to drive back through to get back home. If memory serves, Al's grandfather was a Locomobile dealer; it would be interesting to know how many Locomobiles he sold. Are there any sales figures Al? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) Here is a slight correction to the story mentioned above. My Great Grand Dad started the first Automobile Dealership on our side of the country I still live in. In fact, I still live in the house that se Great Grand Dad built in 1899. New from his Automobile Dealership he had franchise rights to sell Allen, Jeffery and Kissel Kar. By association with other dealers of the same era but from different areas he was able to offer for sale a wider variety of automobile makes. My Locomobile was used by his family and never sold by him out of his possession. I am trying to track information to see if a Locomobile Dealer was located in Salt Lake City. That is probably the means that my Locomobile came into his possession originally. As shown before, his Dealership building still stands to this day just around the corner from my home. Al Edited August 3, 2022 by alsfarms clarity (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 Has anyone had their 4 cylinder Locomobile out this summer? Or have you seen any four cylinder Locomobile's out this summer? If you have, please share pictures and story..... Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Here’s a great image of a Model I Locomobile touring. It is on pre- WW1 photos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 If wishes were fishes, I would sure have a fry on this one! It is nice to see a full on touring car on the Model I platform. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 I had noticed an original Locomobile script Solar 1033 brass side-lamp offered and sold on EBAY. Does anyone know who might have bought this lamp. My 1909 Locomobile has a very similar script side-lamp on it. Mine are 933 instead of 1033. I do assume that the Solar 1033 should more properly be used on a Model year 1910 and my Solar 933 more appropriately used on a 1909 Model year. What are the thoughts here? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Model 30 1910 cars are featured in the Locomobile Book" as having Gray and Davis three tier side and tail lamps, Rushmore headlights. Model 30 1909, I do not have access to a 1909 Locomobile Book, but have never seen one as being 1909 with anything other than Rushmore headlights paired with Gray and Davis three tier side and tail. Model 30 1911 and 1912 cars are featured in the "Locomobile Book" as having Solar lamps all around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 Hello John, I agree with what written matter you and I have both seen. However, even early on, I am not sure that these high end automobiles were "cookie cutter" cars. My 933 Solar Locomobile script side lamps attest to that as well as the 1033 Solar Locomobile script side lamp that was recently sold on ebay. This same situation is evident on the later series 48 Locomobile offerings. Some items were, " more or less" standard but not across the board. What fun is this? I suppose a running gear could be bought from Locomobile then appointed with the owners own preference. I guess that is appropriate. I have seen a few early Locomobile automobiles aborned with high quality headlamps that are not Rushmore. Ohhhh Boyyy. Are you gaining on the rear muffler casting? A few days ago, I picked up a box of Wisconsin Model M engine parts from the Foundry that have been holding up that project for several years. It is good to finally have those castings in my hands. Any other new developments on your end? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 On the lamps issue, who really cares anyway? Nobody but us really studies this stuff, and what difference does it make? I quite simply want to drive the car before I get too old or get "the call". The pattern is done and should be here by end of week. I will take it to the local foundry and get ours done in gray iron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 John, You have a way with words! Your thoughts and mine are the same. None of us know when that certain call will come so I 100 percent agree, let's get on with it and get these Locomobiles on the road. Keep me in the loop when the castings arrive. Al 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 Happy Thanksgiving Day to you all. Take a deep breath and enjoy this Holiday. If you are located in a part of the world that does not enjoy the US Thanksgiving, enjoy your day also. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 This post is intended for for those of us interested in and likely owners of the earlier four cylinder Locomobiles. If you have been watching EBAY, a large amount of Locomobile literature has been up for auction. One piece that caught my eye was an original 1909 Locomobile Book that would cover the Model I and Model L. Did anyone reading here purchase that book? I have a decent copy of that document and would like to speak with the new owner of this mentioned 1909 Locomobile Book to confirm a couple of pages of what I have. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 Here is a vintage photograph showing a 1909 or 1910 Locomobile Model L Toy Tonneau in the Mt Hood Oregon area, from a historical site. What a delightful picture! The picture was provided by another Brother Locomobile owner from Florida. Thanks for sharing. Vintage photographs have a character that is hard to replicate in newer settings. Can anyone pick out interesting aspects of this photo? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 One thing I notice is the fact that the lower windshield is not glass but appears to be wood. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) Another thing I note is the huge size of the Prestolite tank. Who knows what size this one is? I have never seen one like that. Al Edited January 23, 2023 by alsfarms Spelling (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco 90 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Skid chains are loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 Good catch. I bet the were just off or just about to embark on a trip from Mt Hood. Loose chains can work there way off and tear up fenders! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 Ok, these intrepid Locomobile automobilists are courageous to not be carrying a spare tire in the running board brackets! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Rims Are detachable. Look like a Standard universal No 1 rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, alsfarms said: Another thing I note is the huge size of the Prestolite tank. Who knows what size this one is? I have never seen one lke that. Al Me neither. I don't think it is a Prestolite tank, or at least not one for automotive use. The valve is in the center. I'll bet it's an upright welding tank that has been pressed into service here to increase capacity. It may not behave as expected lying on it's side like that.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Bloo, On a good second look, I do agree with you. That looks more like a small industrial acetylene tank. I have to admit, I have ruined a set of cutting torch acetylene gauges by picking up an acetylene bottle that had been laid on the ground flat. I thought I had given the acetone ample enough time to settle back to the bottom, even after a day......nope and off went the gauges for repair and yes....I did really talk to myself on that one. Like they say, experience is a the best teacher! However, maybe some of the early design industrial acetylene bottles are more similar to a typical Prestolite tank and are designed to function in a horizontal position. Anyone, with experience, please ad to this conversation. Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 George, Do you happen to have any sales literature that would clearly show the detail of a Standard Universal #1 rim. I am not real familiar with SU rim hardware. Does much SU rim hardware interchange with Firestone? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) More close inspection of the above photograph shows a huge triple twist horn. I am amazed at the size of that horn! This image certainly proves that these horns could be oriented with the bell up, not down as I have been told by probably 75 percent of early automobile enthusiasts. Al Edited January 23, 2023 by alsfarms Clarity (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Who can tell better than I, are the top hold down straps flat or round. I am leaning toward round. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Here is a picture out of a 1909 sales brochure showing the horn side. I think this horn is a tad bit smaller than what is shown in the vintage photograph shown above. To me, all this proves is that there was plenty of latitude in how early Locomobile buyers dressed their automobiles. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 I just noticed another interesting feature on the vintage photo above. The speedo is mounted in a non typical manner. The speedo looks to be a Jones unit just like the one I will post a picture of. I will also post a picture of a matching Jones tachometer. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Tachometer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, alsfarms said: George, Do you happen to have any sales literature that would clearly show the detail of a Standard Universal #1 rim. I am not real familiar with SU rim hardware. Does much SU rim hardware interchange with Firestone? Al Al, No rims shared anything with others. That was the whole idea of propriety design. Firestone are just Firestone. That hand pump has been added to his seat side. That period Locomobile are gravity gas fed from a tank under the seat. The catalog entry states Locomobile uses the force that never fails- Gravity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 Gravity is a good and very simple means of getting a reliable supply of gasoline to the carburetor.....unless, for instance you own a Toy Tonneau which has a lower seat elevation so less height for gravity to work to deliver fuel to the carburetor. Then couple that with the idea that some Locomobiles spent there entire lives in the intermountain area of the western US, going up early mountain roads were likely a bit frustrating or highly infuriating when you were running out of fuel to the carburetor! Here is a couple of pictures relating to aftermarket products that helped overcome some early design flaws or weaknesses. This particular item is an exhaust pressure regulator to put a bit of pressure into the tank to keep gasoline flowing to the carburetor even when climbing up steep mountain roads. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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