38Buick 80C Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 9 hours ago, EmTee said: "Over" (I hope I'm wrong...) What are you going to do about the door panels and rear quarter panels? Will SMS fabricate those? SMS isn't fabricating anything. They are just sending fabric... my local upholstery shop will do the entire car. same guy that did my 80C. I assumed OVER as well hence the order now... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) Some more progress, but ended early. Installed the lifters and push rods And then the rockers and put covers on just to make it look nice...and get them out of the way. Next installed the steering box/column and steering arms. Finally I installed the manifolds and the front exhaust pipe. It was at this point I discovered a problem that after messing with it enough I ended the day. The exhaust pipe was too far forward cause the entire system got pushed forward. I realized I needed to move the car forward a bit for the pipe to have enough room against the back wall... But nope car wouldn't move...like it's in gear. I ended up just jacking up the axle to move it forward and complete the pipe. I tried installing the cover and getting the car in neutral but the shift lever won't move anything. Off came the cover... I'm not sure exactly what's going on but I think it's trans related and I think it's this gear. It should slide back and forth and it's not and I think it's the one hung. I was able to rotate the motor before install cause that how I boletsnin the clutch The rear axle free-wheels with wheels in the air. That gear was sliding all over when I was installing the trans on the motor. And yes I've banged on it with a fine adjustment hammer and tried to pry at it too gently. It move just a touch but I dare not give it the full beans. So anyone have some ideas to try? I'm sure I will figure it out but decided I was gonna break something if I kept going today. Edited August 13, 2023 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin The Kid Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Does the 2-3 shifter slider move free? In the picture it looks to be in gear, is it possible 2 gears are engaged at once preventing spinning? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, Edwin The Kid said: Does the 2-3 shifter slider move free? In the picture it looks to be in gear, is it possible 2 gears are engaged at once preventing spinning? Nothing is moving freely. So let's assume you are correct two gears are engaged at one... How do I unengage one of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Try rocking it back and forth.. it works on Fords 😂. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Do you have both of the shift rod detent springs and the balls? Nothing fell into the case, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin The Kid Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, 38Buick 80C said: Nothing is moving freely. So let's assume you are correct two gears are engaged at one... How do I unengage one of them? My best guess would be to move both shifts rods back and forth, as well as rocking the car to try and find a spot where the gears aren't as bound and will move. It looks like both rods need to move rearward to be in neutral. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, 38Buick 80C said: Nothing is moving freely. I would suggest a bit of lubrication to all of the gears and rods and then try gently persuading them to move a bit back and forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 6 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: I tried installing the cover and getting the car in neutral but the shift lever won't move anything. Off came the cover... I'm not sure exactly what's going on but I think it's trans related and I think it's this gear. It should slide back and forth and it's not and I think it's the one hung. 2 hours ago, Edwin The Kid said: is it possible 2 gears are engaged at once preventing spinning? Maybe a little of both? It appears to me that it is in 2 gears, or at least a gear and a half. Look at the notches for the detent balls and how they line up to the detent ball holes. If it were in neutral, the center notch would be under the detent ball hole in both cases. The lower rail looks far enough forward to be lined up with the rear notch. That would be in gear. The upper rail is also has it's center notch forward of the hole. It is at least halfway in gear, if not all the way in gear. Both rails need to be back with the center notch aligned under the detent ball hole. Is the gear marked in red blocking motion? If so, something might be assembled wrong back there. The rail needs to go to the back from it's current position for sure. Could the gear be on upside down? I think that may be it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, Bloo said: Is the gear marked in red blocking motion? If so, something might be assembled wrong back there. The rail needs to go to the back from it's current position for sure. Could the gear be on upside down? I think that may be it. I don't think so. From looking back at the photos of the 1938 Century transmission in my Model 61, the gears appear to be correct. I think it is just a matter of needing a bit of lubrication along with a bit of gentle tapping back and forth until it is free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Is it right to have the one gear with the teeth facing the opposite direction of all the others? I am refering to the one all the way on the left, towards the top of the picture. Looks like it is down low in the case and the teeth look like they would clash with the gear outlined in red. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 John, that does look questionable. In my previous post, I was referring to the gear circled in red not being installed incorrectly. With the angle and lighting of my 1938 transmission photo, I can't see that gear lower in the case, so you could be right. I can't answer that question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 After looking back through other photos, I feel more confident that the odd looking gear is actually correct. Hopefully Brian will chime in with an update soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 I am the one who suggested it might be upside down, and after digging for pictures, I agree with @MCHinson. The gear is in the correct orientation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) As noted previously I built 2 transmissions at the same time earlier. I'm quite certain gears are in the correct places and orientations. The red circled gear will not slide back and forth... that is the problem, it would seem. Oil I ordered from Amazon will be here soon and I will keep trying to free it. Edited August 15, 2023 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Maybe you could disconnect that fork from the rail in order to get the rail back into the neutral position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 What (if anything) in that little 'pocket' circled in yellow? It almost looks like two or three little steel balls... That's the same spot that collected pieces of the broken shift fork detent spring I found in my transmission. For reference, here's a picture of the transmission internals in my '38 Century: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 I think it's literally a crap collector. All the loose parts you don't want to see go there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 hours ago, EmTee said: What (if anything) in that little 'pocket' circled in yellow? It almost looks like two or three little steel balls... It's just the reflections playing tricks nothing in there. This trans was taken down to nothing and rebuilt by me. There are no foreign misc. pieces. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bloo said: Maybe you could disconnect that fork from the rail in order to get the rail back into the neutral position? I did try that but think I will try it again. the rail moves freely when disconnected from the red circled gear. Edited August 15, 2023 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) Well you should be able to get in into neutral then I think? (check the top rail and get that on the middle notch). About that gear, does it feel seized on whatever it slides on? Or is it just not wanting to engage a gear? It looks like it probably uses that big gear for both first and reverse. Is it partially engaged with another gear? Edited August 15, 2023 by Bloo (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMicheletti Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 In your photo, it looks like it is in reverse (or first) and high simultaneously, looking at the shift rail detent slots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Bloo said: I think it's literally a crap collector. All the loose parts you don't want to see go there. Well, that's apparently one purpose. The other thing I noted when I had mine open is that there's a hole at the back end of that little pocket that seems to empty into the U-joint housing. So, it appears to me that the pocket collects some of the oil that's being flung around by the gears and dumps it onto the U-joint before returning it to the sump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 Some gear oil, light pressure with a big pry bar and she's free. Took 5 minutes. On with the restoration... 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 Trans balls and springs in place and then cover on. Then water pump and by pass value installed. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 Not shown I did final gasket installation on push rod cover and thus could get to distributor install. It didn't want to go down flush with the block, but I kept tightening a little each side which was not over stressing anything eventually got it fully down to the block. And then starter installed 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 Trans support bracket took some time to get sorted but it's on. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 Some miscellaneous engine dressing Plugs and plug wire retainers Fuel flood drain Fuel pump, don't think I'm done with that yet.l pending file and vacuum line hook ups Fan blades and pulley And finally generator 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 So a couple oopses to take care of will require some redo unfortunately. Front exhaust pipe will have to come off to install this bracket. And then the bigger redo is for this The throw out bearing support... Yup trans has to come off for that one. Oh well, glad I noticed it on the exploded view diagram when I was looking at it for pedal install. Better to realize it now when I have access to everything. It did take me a minute to find where I actually put it hence why I forgot to include it during install. This will probably be my labor day weekend project. Hopefully will get some more done tomorrow. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneybeauchamp Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Brian, a great step by step build. With your transmission not having any oil in it at present, do you tag anything as a reminder to fill it? And if the engine is not filled, same? Last thing you need is a test drive with zero lubrication. Just checking 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Rodney 😀😀😀😀😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 28 minutes ago, rodneybeauchamp said: Brian, a great step by step build. With your transmission not having any oil in it at present, do you tag anything as a reminder to fill it? And if the engine is not filled, same? Last thing you need is a test drive with zero lubrication. Just checking 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Rodney 😀😀😀😀😀 I filled the trans this AM. I have blue painters tape on the oil dip stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I'm interested to see how this bracket attaches to the engine block... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) some photos during disassembly Edited August 20, 2023 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 A handful of items this AM First off there really is only one place the bracket can mount to on the bell housing. And then front brake hoses. Coil And carb 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgreen Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 After looking through your photos, I can see that the Buick engineers were very busy changing almost every aspect of this car in the two years before manufacturing the 1940 models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 I received my new chassis serial number plate. Shout out to Nostalgic Reflections for a job well done! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 As mentioned earlier in the thread... It's Labor Day weekend so I talked the missing Throw out bearing support. I had ordered some 1/2" course 4.5" long bolts and I cut the heads off first. With the heads cut off they became support guides for the trans From there I unbolted the rear end from the frame and the trans support brace, etc., etc. I put the rear axle wheels on rolling caster dollies After that it was fairly easy. Pulled the complete drive train back, installed the missing piece, re installed the trans. Took longer to unbolt the whole thing (and then re-bolt it all). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Not quite sure I like how the exhaust bracket bolts to the bellhousing. I think the exhaust might be a bit different than the OEM being the issue Hard to see but it is not right to the bellhousing. I installed the splash pans on the Driver's side and relocated to the correct spot the drain tube from the carb. Finally I installed the pedals. Edited September 3, 2023 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) That exhaust bracket is a PITA. The one I made broke at that sharp bend at the bellhousing. Mine wasn't as thick as the original, so I guess I need to try again. I have some steel that looks like the right thickness, but it's a b__ch to bend around the pipe circumference without an acetylene torch... Edited September 3, 2023 by EmTee (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 Brake /Clutch related... But don't recall where the clips go... Clutch related I believe. And if memory serves me spring attachs to the body. But no I haven't looked through my photos or the parts book yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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