60FlatTop Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 At 70 years old yesterday, the only thing I'm paying attention to right now is this next election! It's proving to be the most important one in my lifetime!I read this book a few years ago. It will help: http://www.fourthturning.com/ Everyone is playing their part as anticipated. I'm looking forward to a bright future about 15 years from now. ummmm, as long as Chinese tanks don't crush my garage trying to capture the fresh water from the Great Lakes.Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Well at 80 feet above sea level, Orlando may become an island first. Who nose ? Just if things collapse I figure those who can fix things will be in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Well at 80 feet above sea level, Orlando may become an island first. Who nose ? Just if things collapse I figure those who can fix things will be in demand. Well maybe later on, but in the beginning and right after it will be those that have the largest collection of guns and ammunition, food, water, fuel and power, plus the ability to successfully defend those assets. The space between civility and anarchy is very thin and fragile. Edited March 10, 2016 by helfen (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 At 70 years old yesterday, the only thing I'm paying attention to right now is this next election! It's proving to be the most important one in my lifetime! We better get it right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skyking Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 We better get it right this time.Don, exactly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 John,another way to consider the aspect of the Chinese buying up our collector cars............................ they are first buying up our real estate and many, yes many are moving here first. So the aspect of them owning our antiques and classics on our soil is very real. They are a clever bunch, hence their extreme wealth in recent times. It only took thousands of years, but the change of their politics has allowed for their capitalism. Vancouver in the last 20 years has become inundated with Hong Kong expatriates. All because Hong Kong was about to be owned by the mainland. Real estate there has easily gone 5 fold or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Take a look at the proposed routes for the Keystone pipeline and tell me it doesn't put the infrastructure in place to export fresh water from the Great Lakes. Huh? I thought..... Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe in Canada Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Another collector cashing in before the bottom falls out??????????????? https://www.yahoo.com/autos/16-amazing-porsches-jerry-seinfeld-192141161/photo--photo-192610106.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) I think he owns something like 100 cars and they represent only a small percentage of his net worth. I wouldn't point to that as the indicator. I have been involved in the hobby for a long time, since I was a little boy. This subject has been constant for 50 years. One of the best things my mom ever told me was that 95 percent of the things you worry about don't happen. I'll add that something bad might happen but it probably isn't what you expected. The hobby is supposed to be a diversion from the problems of every day life. I think it is better to leave it that way as opposed to making another problem to worry about. Edited March 14, 2016 by alsancle (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 ...I have been involved in the hobby for a long time, since I was a little boy. This subject has been constant for 50 years. One of the best things my mom ever told me was that 95 percent of the things you worry about don't happen.... The hobby is supposed to be a diversion from the problems of every day life. I think it is better to leave it that way as opposed to making another problem to worry about. Well said, Alsancle. Proposing solutions (such as getting children interested in cars,or inviting friends along on an afternoon scenic ride) are farmore constructive than worrying. And a lot more calming, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 That's Ostrich mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Ostrich yes, but there is nothing any of us can do about big picture problems anyway. Do all the prudent personal steps, don't spend more than you earn, avoid debt except for essentials such as a reasonable house/ shop. Vote; and really do look beyond the election rhetoric to find leaders who best represent your interest and values. And get involved with a hobby car you can afford and you really like, not the one that is most likely to go up in value. Unless you want to try to give Mr. Harwood a run for the money in the old car sales game, which defeats the whole notion of a "hobby". If your chosen jewel goes up in value over the course of your ownership that's a bonus, but secondary to the stated rationale of a hobby car. And yes by all means try to interest younger people in old cars. Greg in Canada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Proposing solutions... No one should ever ignore problems:They don't get solved that way.But one needn't fear them either andconsume himself with worry. Instead,act positively, constructively, and strongly,doing your part. That's democracy, that'sindividual responsibility. This is a hobby. It's supposed to be, and it is, enjoyable! Edited March 14, 2016 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Ostrich yes, but there is nothing any of us can do about big picture problems anyway. Do all the prudent personal steps, don't spend more than you earn, avoid debt except for essentials such as a reasonable house/ shop. Vote; and really do look beyond the election rhetoric to find leaders who best represent your interest and values. And get involved with a hobby car you can afford and you really like, not the one that is most likely to go up in value. Unless you want to try to give Mr. Harwood a run for the money in the old car sales game, which defeats the whole notion of a "hobby". If your chosen jewel goes up in value over the course of your ownership that's a bonus, but secondary to the stated rationale of a hobby car. And yes by all means try to interest younger people in old cars. Greg in CanadaMoney wise Greg, there is. Just don't rely on those paper notes, they will be worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I have enough problems with things other people fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I have enough problems with things other people fixed. wiringmess.jpg Oh, Looks like someone wanted a "better" aftermarket radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 That's Ostrich mentality. I don't look at it that way. It seems a better use of energy to work on problems I have control or influence over. I can't help the fact that most 16 year old boys can't open the hood of a car, let alone change the oil in it. Or drive a manual transmission for that matter. I want to enjoy the cars, the camaraderie and fun that goes with them. Sweating the value of my "portfolio" of cars would just ruin it. The next car I make money on will probably be my first anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 The next car I make money on will probably be one I bought and didn't meet my expectations. I have a bad habit of keeping the good ones.Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Way I look at it, all of my cars are paid for so if I sell one it just becomes numbers I can only use for other things. Only place I have real debt is my mortgage and at 3% is more of a hedge against inflation. The GTP is just my latest "work in progress" & after the radio it only needs cosmetics. What it had was wonderful for a decade ago but has no Bluetooth and I have no use for a CD changer. Would like the steering wheel controls to work properly. So currently the options are:1) stock radio with a cassette adapter for HFP2) BT radio and a Formula wheel. Have both so am going to bring back to stock first and see how that works then decide. No big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) I don't look at it that way. It seems a better use of energy to work on problems I have control or influence over. I can't help the fact that most 16 year old boys can't open the hood of a car, let alone change the oil in it. Or drive a manual transmission for that matter. I want to enjoy the cars, the camaraderie and fun that goes with them. Sweating the value of my "portfolio" of cars would just ruin it. The next car I make money on will probably be my first anyways. I agree way too much energy on something that we really have no control over, anyway if somebody bought these cars as an investment shame on them! It is a hobby and it will cost money Edited March 15, 2016 by John348 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Way I look at it, all of my cars are paid for so if I sell one it just becomes numbers I can only use for other things. Only place I have real debt is my mortgage and at 3% is more of a hedge against inflation. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I agree way too much energy on something that we really have no control over, anyway if somebody bought these cars as an investment shame on them! It is a hobby and it will cost moneyJohn, we are not just talking about cars here. The only way the cars value will tank is if the economy tanks. Unless you are into certain high dollar makes of cars you just have to figure the cars are expendable. So Have FUN with them. So what we are talking about is something that you must have if the dollar is devaluated or altogether thrown out. What is the type of worth that will survive a dollar crash when it seems like because of the weight of the of this looming 20 Trillion and growing debt crises it will eventually happen, It has to. It won't be just the dollar. I will be world wide currency meltdown. To put your head in the sand means you will be a victim and not a survivor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 John, we are not just talking about cars here. The only way the cars value will tank is if the economy tanks. Unless you are into certain high dollar makes of cars you just have to figure the cars are expendable. So Have FUN with them. So what we are talking about is something that you must have if the dollar is devaluated or altogether thrown out. What is the type of worth that will survive a dollar crash when it seems like because of the weight of the of this looming 20 Trillion and growing debt crises it will eventually happen, It has to. It won't be just the dollar. I will be world wide currency meltdown. To put your head in the sand means you will be a victim and not a survivor. Totally disagree, supply and demand dictates everything. If there is a world currency meltdown there are bigger problems then the value of our cars to deal with. My head is not in the sand, but I like to be realistic of what is in my control and what is not and focus my concern on those things that I can control.I accept I will be a victim, because I know I am too old and fat to play Rambo.Really we should be "just talking cars here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Totally disagree, supply and demand dictates everything. If there is a world currency meltdown there are bigger problems then the value of our cars to deal with. My head is not in the sand, but I like to be realistic of what is in my control and what is not and focus my concern on those things that I can control.I accept I will be a victim, because I know I am too old and fat to play Rambo.Really we should be "just talking cars here" John, You don't have to be a victim financially. There are ways to protect your wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bollman Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I figure my old non-electronic controlled cars are my hedge against an EMP event that blows out all modern transportation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I figure my old non-electronic controlled cars are my hedge against an EMP event that blows out all modern transportation.It will blow all the electrical power. That means no gas pump or grocery store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bollman Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Pumping gas and getting food supply going is a short term problem, getting millions of electronic cars running is a long term problem. Besides it was suppose to be a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The original topic was one magazine's speculation about the car hobby's decline,due to future lack of youth. Couldn't we get on more constructive topics,such as attracting youth; encouraging signs, and so on? Thirty or fifty years ago, were many of thecar hobbyists of retirement age? Was therean abundance of young families at shows and meets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) We do have a youth market, it is just for cars of the last two decades just as it always has been. The difference is that these are now mainly ricers (though W-bodies are pretty active and Mustangs/Vettes always will be) and a tuner better be computer literate. Still all of the information is still out there just instead of Whitney/Washaski and Gratiot Auto Supply they look to Amazon and MOATES.NET. Do miss not having everything on .pdfs for the GTP like my Reattae but for under $50 I now have the FSM (two volumes plus supplement) and the 88-93 P&A (both volumes) plus a .bin for the LQ1 PCM. Biggest difference: no longer need Whitworth wrenches but my OTC 2000 with '93 3in1 is handy. Have come full circle to some extent: My first car was a triple carb DOHC 3.4 6cyl with 4 wheel disks and 4 spd +OD & latest is a FI DOHC 3.4 6 cyl with 4 wheel disks and 5 spd. Just first was a '59 and latest is a '93. US cars have caught up. Edited March 16, 2016 by padgett (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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