Guest PhillyPhil Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Hi... I've got a barn find and I'm interested, but I'm having a hard time finding a fair price. I want to treat the owner fairly. Could I ask for a bit of input please? This is an unrestored Kissel, last worked on in the fifties. She says all the parts are there, just disassembled. '27 Kissel Convertible Cabriolet, All Year Coupe Roadster 8-65. If I pass on it, I'll let y'all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Very interesting. That 3 bar bumper is correct for '27. We restored a '27 Brougham a few years ago but I can't/won't offer an opinion of a fair price. Obviously a desirable car, especially since if it's a convertible. Quite a bit of interest in Kissel lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Philly area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Kissel is an interesting car, and as mentioned an open car to boot....but what a mess....and you have no idea what parts are missing...if that's the hood in one picture, on top of stack, it looks rough....I don't know Kissel values, but my WAG would be $5000-$7500 tops, and that, as everyone knows, is just the down payment .... lots to do and pay for left....good luck on acquisition if you want to enjoy the restoration experience....and it is mostly enjoyable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Will he toss in the box of Playboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhillyPhil Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Her garage is pretty well packed, isn't it? Not my place to clean it. I was thinking 7-8-9000. Not well versed in older cars. This is convertible with a rumble seat. Might be too big a project for me. I've never messed with wooden wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Will he toss in the box of Playboys?It's a Kissel, not a Jordan. If it were an 8-75 it would be a CCCA Full Classic. Wood wheels are nothing to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Kissels are interesting cars, but they're not terribly valuable in the grand scheme of things. It will cost more to restore than it'll ever be worth, so you should go in with your eyes open in that regard. On the other hand, if you enjoy a challenging project, that is certainly a big one. Parts are virtually unobtainable and you're buying a pig in a poke by taking someone's word that a car disassembled 65 years ago is still somehow complete (very unlikely). Open car or not, there's a very hard cap on the value both now and when it's finished, and I'm inclined to think that it shouldn't be more than $5000 in its current condition. If he can produce the parts and you can inventory them and make sure the big stuff is there and verify its condition, maybe he can negotiate up from there, but this is a big mystery on a medium-priced car that is made of unobtainium. Very, very, very limited market, not long lost gold mine for the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 There are more Kissel parts out there than you might think. Of course it will cost more to restore than it's "worth" if the only way you measure worth is with $ signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhillyPhil Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Good advice, thanks very much! I'll mull it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 If you pass we have the world's number one Kissel expert on the forum and I'm sure he will be in touch. I agree with the 5 to 7,500 estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Dear PhillyPhil, According to the Kissel Registry which we Kissel Owners track, there are three known 1927 Kissel All Year Coupe Roadster Model 8-65 's known to exist. Your barn-find could be a fourth or one of the three that went missing a few decades ago. The left side of the engine will have a small plate on it with a number 65-xxxx which we can use to help you to identify the car's provenance. There are alot of 1927 Kissels around. the Coupe Roadster is a nice open car, but not anywhere near as desirable as a Kissel Gold Bug. As to price, I recently bought a 1927 Kissel Model 8-65 Brougham Saloon (two door - first picture), the only one that exists of that closed body style. It was low mileage and complete as pictured. IF all the parts are there, a big "IF", I think your pricing of 5,000 - 7,000 is correct. It will cost you multiples of that to do a complete restoration, which you will not recover. CCCA rules say that a Model 8-65 is not a Classic, but the CCCA has accepted a 8-65 Gold Bug as classic none-the-less. Never could figure out their rules. Attached are pictures of my 1927 Kissel Brougham Saloon, and a couple of my other Kissels. Thanks, RON HAUSMANN P.E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I agree with Trim-5-7kthis is not the most desirable year or model.when I think Kissel, I think speedster.................... which this is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 All,There are approximately 37 Kissel Gold Bug Speedsters in resored or "complete" unrestored shape that exist. Then a few chassis, engines, body parts. on top of that there are about 150 other Kissels of various open and closed body styles, for a total of no more than 200 complete Kissels. We have a registry which has more entries than that, but many are just an engine or a body or a pile of parts. I know that because i've contacted many of these.Thanks, Ron Hausmann P.E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott in PA Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Just wondering how this panned out. PhillyPhil, did you purchase the car? If not do you or Ron know the outcome? I'm only interested in the story, progress, and pics; not trying to buy the car. Thanks!Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roj Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 If you pass, I would be interested in purchasing the car and would give you a finders fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksparks Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I am curious whatever happened to the Kissel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, kmstrade said: I am curious whatever happened to the Kissel The original poster registered and made three posts that first day, and has had no posting since that day. Seven years of silence. I wonder if Ron knows the outcome of that car? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Not a peep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Have the prices for restored Kissels risen any since 2014? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, 8E45E said: Have the prices for restored Kissels risen any since 2014? Craig Don't count the last 3 months as we seem to be wildly spending money on everything, but before that the entire market had declined across the board in the last 7 years. Except maybe for the 1/10 of 1 percent stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 1:34 PM, John Bloom said: The original poster registered and made three posts that first day, and has had no posting since that day. Seven years of silence. I wonder if Ron knows the outcome of that car? This happens a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryLime Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 The OP might still be digging the car out of the barn for the inventory . These things can take much time . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coyote Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 6 hours ago, HarryLime said: The OP might still be digging the car out of the barn for the inventory Or still going through the box of girl magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now