Hudsy Wudsy Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) Here's a link to a '35 Graham on C/L in MO: http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/5929449793.html The ad reads: Just out of long time dry storage in building,rebuilt starter,flushed all gas out,put in new points,set up a 12 volt system to start and she started and ran for several minutes on her own,sounds great,no leaks except fuel pump leaks a little,no rust in floor or body,just a little in the running boards,missing only 1 spare tire cover,brakes go to the floor,all the wood is awesome,interior needs restored its all original,value by several high end car guys told me between 30k and 50k and restored 400k so help urself at 15000 callshow contact info clear title in hand Edited December 29, 2016 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 The 400k restored is not true but the 15k for this car is not bad at all. Blown Eight Cylinder Graham's are very rare. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 It must be rare as I have never seen one in person. 400k is about right for a restoration if you leave it at a decent shop. Interesting car, hopefully someone takes on the project. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Ed, the 400k was the purported value after restoration, not the cost of the restoration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 I know that Graham's have some extremely loyal fans. That's why I thought posting this top of the line model was certainly worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Too bad about the missing tire cover but otherwise this a good deal for someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motoringicons Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) That is a really neat looking car with lots of great design features. In my opinion, it is a lot better looking then some of the more expensive cars from the same period. Too bad about the damage to the interior. If it wasn't for the interior, you could clean it up, do the necessary mechanical work, and use it the way it is. Still, its a rare, supercharged, eight-cylinder car that is priced the same-or maybe even less- than a similar condition 1935 Ford sedan. I have always wanted to own a 1932-33 Graham Blue Streak. Edited December 29, 2016 by motoringicons (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 AJ, I clearly understood, but I just theoght the 400 was about right for a restoration cost. True market value.........less tha 100k from what I have seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 They have a distinctive look to them, don't they? Sometimes I think that the rear looks a little like a hearse, other times I think it's somewhat English looking. If I recall right they shared their sedan bodies with some other manufacturer that was just about at the end of their road. Can you gentlemen recall? Was it Reo?, Franklin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 And the phone number in the ad, for anyone's reference, is (417) 234-5154. I understand that Pennsylvania collector Nicola Bulgari has a restored Blue Streak. He said it's the only restored one he knows about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalptrader Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 It's currently on eBay with Buy it Now $12,500, opening at $10k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 59 minutes ago, John_S_in_Penna said: And the phone number in the ad, for anyone's reference, is (417) 234-5154. I understand that Pennsylvania collector Nicola Bulgari has a restored Blue Streak. He said it's the only restored one he knows about. I don't include the seller's phone number when I post these few odd "gems" that I come across. I'm not saying that it's wrong to, just that the seller chose to use the C/L option of hiding it from "bots" in the first place. I figure that if someone has enough interest in the car that I post to click on the link, than they can easily enough hover over the hidden phone number in the ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Pictures tend to lie but unless this is a complete piece of junk it is worth the 12,500 all day long. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Other-Makes-/152372510456 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 I see that the ebay offering closed with out a bid at the minimum $10,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: I see that the ebay offering closed with out a bid at the minimum $10,000. I looked at the listing before it was supposed to end. I am fairly sure it ended early, so I am certain it sold to a viewer who emailed an offer. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 If it is not a rot box underneath that is a great deal on a real supercharged eight cylinder car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Phillips Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Whoever said this car is worth $400,000 after it is restored, or costs $400,000 for a complete restoration, is stark, raving nuts. Period. Get real. You are doing a dis-service to the restoration business and to the market for old cars. Yes, this is a very rare car, but rarity does not always mean high price. A '57 Studebaker Scotsman is rare, but it's not a very highly valued car, even when restored. And yes, I have the guts to sign my own name to this and not hide behind some fabricated name. Pete Phillips Leonard, Texas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) Pete, a full ground up 100% restoration by a reputable shop not located in Mexico on this car is 200k and I will stand by that all day long. Now, with that 200k restoration I think it might be a 80k on really really good day to a well off Graham guy. I think if the car sold for 10k and somebody gets a running driving supercharged eight cylinder anything for a 20k investment they are doing great. Edited January 8, 2017 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I should also mention that a home restorer could probably piece out the work and do a decent job for maybe 50k. Won't be the same thing but probably fine for everything but a concours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I can't help thinking that the styling of this model looks kind of odd. The body back to rear edge of the rear doors is the same as that introduced sometime in 1932 but the rear end has been extended. It would look better if the rear axle was further back. I do agree it is a rare car, especially in supercharged eight cylinder form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said: I can't help thinking that the styling of this model looks kind of odd. Graham IMO, seemed a bit ahead in the styling department. And if a company is always designing "ahead" of the norm, rather than copying, then you may likely see a feature that just never went over well.. "Ahead" is such as in 1932 with the Graham skirted front fenders. I'm not up on all cars, but had to be first, or right there in the running. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I like the car, but have some questions for you Graham experts: Why does the front end sit so high? Almost looks like the engine has been removed, but I saw the original ebay ad, and that is not the case. Is this normal for this model Graham? The rear axle looks like it has been pushed forward. The wheels/tires seem too far forward in the wheel well. Is this normal for this model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmmca Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Hi all, This has been an interesting read, a great looking car that is close enough to make me think about it. Assuming the engine is working OK and the body seems like it would not need much work. Lets say someone strips out the interior and puts something period in just to be able to drive it until I could find something more original? What would the costs expected to be for that ?( again assume that I can do some of this stuff) Not looking to make it a concourse winner, or flip it just something that I could drive and enjoy. Thanks Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 I still have the nagging memory that they shared this body with another builder that was about to go under at about the same time. Who else was on the edge folding at this time, Pierce, Reo? In searching for the answer to that question I quite ironically came across an identical '35 Graham Eight sedan for sale, as well. The ad doesn't list a price, but I thought that some of you might enjoy taking a look at it, anyway: http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/other-makes/156790-for-sale-1935-graham-model-75-supercharged-barn-find-nc-iowa.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 I finally figured out my vague recollection about these bodies. It was in '36, when Reo was on it's last legs that they bought their bodies from Graham: 1936 Reo: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 Here's a '36 Graham: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylormade Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: I still have the nagging memory that they shared this body with another builder that was about to go under at about the same time. Who else was on the edge folding at this time, Pierce, Reo? In searching for the answer to that question I quite ironically came across an identical '35 Graham Eight sedan for sale, as well. The ad doesn't list a price, but I thought that some of you might enjoy taking a look at it, anyway: http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/other-makes/156790-for-sale-1935-graham-model-75-supercharged-barn-find-nc-iowa.html Says $6800 in the ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 taylormade, I apologize. I must have missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylormade Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Tiny type, easy to miss. I always like to know the asking price, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 back on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Other-Makes/172511418232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) It's a good thing we copied the ad (Posting #1) and the phone number (Posting #10) into our forum: The Craig's List link is dead and states that it was deleted by its author. Since the car is now offered on Ebay, that shows that a Craig's List ad "deleted by its author" does not necessarily mean the car is sold. Posting #11 in our forum noted that the "Buy it Now" price was $12,500. Now it is $14,990. Hmm--raising the price after an item fails to sell? We're watching you, Mr. Seller. Now, who of us would like to buy a Graham Blue Streak? Edited February 4, 2017 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I don't think it was insanely priced at 15k and thought it was a bargain at 12k. But then again my judgement could be questioned. Where else are you going to get a supercharged straight eight prewar car for that sort of money? If it was an blown 35 Auburn sedan in the same shape it would be 30k plus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 9 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said: Posting #11 in our forum noted that the "Buy it Now" price was $12,500. Now it is $14,990. Hmm--raising the price after an item fails to sell? I thought the ebay first listing was "ended early",. Never assume anything... but he may have seen the interest on this thread and decided it was too cheap, and pulled the ad to relist it later. I was not really studying both ebay ads and the C/L ad, but I think more repair work was now done in this new listing? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 2 hours ago, alsancle said: I don't think it was insanely priced at 15k and thought it was a bargain at 12k. But then again my judgement could be questioned. Where else are you going to get a supercharged straight eight prewar car for that sort of money? If it was an blown 35 Auburn sedan in the same shape it would be 30k plus. That is for sure AJ, the s/c unit and the related accessories retail for more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBulldogMiller55Buick Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) On 12/29/2016 at 8:32 AM, edinmass said: It must be rare as I have never seen one in person. 400k is about right for a restoration if you leave it at a decent shop. Interesting car, hopefully someone takes on the project. On 12/29/2016 at 9:22 AM, alsancle said: Ed, the 400k was the purported value after restoration, not the cost of the restoration. I love the blue with red wheels (I've seen that somewhere, before). A $400,000 restoration might get a $200,000 sale <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Qj1qznS5nL8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Edited February 5, 2017 by JamesBulldogMiller55Buick added you tube link (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 My Wife says "What difference does does the value make. If it's a good one you aren't going to sell it anyway." And she knows I never listen to advice. Seems like the experts make me think of this guy. Good luck to Joseph Wilson. Many won't ever experience how happy he has just become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 For this Graham, a $100,000 to $150,000 restoration might get you a $35,000 car. But someone's got to do it--- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 I wonder if some of you missed the other green Graham that I mentioned in post #24. It has a driver quality interior and the asking price is $6,800. Located in Iowa. Here's the link again: http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/other-makes/156790-for-sale-1935-graham-model-75-supercharged-barn-find-nc-iowa.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 My recollection was that this car sold on eBay months ago for 11-12k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tawom Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 This is a 1935 Graham Model 73 (six cylinder) and is equally rare. http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/other-makes/220691-rare-1935-graham-paige-model-73.html THIS is a 1935 Graham Model 75 (supercharged eight cylinder). http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/other-makes/156790-for-sale-1935-graham-model-75-supercharged-barn-find-nc-iowa.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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