alsancle Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 With the 3.79 rear end, a model J Duesenburg is doing 70 mph at about 2600 RPM. You still have another 2000 RPM to go, assuming you were running the steel rods. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packard enthus. Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 hours ago, alsancle said: With the 3.79 rear end, a model J Duesenburg is doing 70 mph at about 2600 RPM. You still have another 2000 RPM to go, assuming you were running the steel rods........ Ahhhh...the "what if's"....? Tell us what the stock rear axle ratio of those cars was...and why? Steel connecting rods? Why where they better than the "stock" rods......and when were they available...? Discuss, please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Packard enthus. said: Model J factory open car ratio is 4.08. The green car I posted has that ratio, and at 2500 RPM, you are doing 60. The steel rods came out with the supercharged cars. The green car still has aluminum rods in it, so you probably don’t wanna rev it to four grand. However, whenever the engines are rebuilt, everybody replaces them with the steel ones. I’m sure the aluminum rods were fine. 90 years ago. Just not now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Ok, last one. A JN in city traffic. The last Duesenbergs were all JN series and got an improved steering box, 17 inch wheels with more modern lights. They all carried low windshield drop sill Rollston bodies in a few different body styles. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I've posted this before but not recently. Climbing Kingsbury Grade to its 7200 ft summit in our 1918 Pierce 48-B-5 dual valve on a non-spring-like May 22, 2019 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Same car last month at the Cedar Breaks National Monument ranger station, elevation 10,000 ft, enroute to Bryce Canyon and Zion National Parks in Utah, part of a 6-day, 600-mile tour of the Nickel Era Touring Registry. That adjustable-from-driver's-seat carburetor main jet certainly came in handy! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmhowe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 George, Thanks for posting that first picture. The car, of course, is beautiful. The scenery is beautiful as well. The experience must have been fantastic. When I was a young teenager, the Princeton (Mass) Car Museum had three pre-1920 Pierce touring cars. I don't remember which models, although I remember they each had a cast aluminum body. Huge, impressive vehicles, and each was beautiful. I made a promise to myself that someday, I would own one. It's not going to happen but I can still share vicariously through the pictures. Thanks again for posting. Phil 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 @pmhowe What makes it all the sweeter for me is that I chased that car since 1998, almost closed a deal on it in 2001, and was finally able to buy it in Jan 2016. Since then we've put more than 9,000 miles on it. It's still the New Toy, and provides more smiles per mile than any other car I've ever owned! It loves to climb hills! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Stude…….most modifications done to Duesenbergs are done for two reasons……..better modern metallurgy, and the ability of the platform to adapt to modern roads…….simply put doing 75 mph for hours on end wasn’t an option in 1929, so the rear end ratios were adjusted accordingly. The JN in the video has a 3.41 rear, and is otherwise BONE STOCK except the rods……it came with blower steel rods new, but I changed them out for modern Carella rods and Aries pistons. It was a barn find in 2018 with 19k on it……it now has 12k more as we drive our cars. For the record…….both our cars did 700 miles during the week…….I never opened a hood, checked air or water………probably sorted a J or JN can easily do 2500 miles without any attention…….pretty good results for what is basically a race car platform. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The weather in southern New England was perfect today and I planned on putting a solid 50 miles on my Stearns Knight. That will have to wait till later in the week as I got side tracked with other stuff... naturally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrow Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 70 degrees here. Enjoying a 38 v-16. Notice the original mileage. Lots of negatives in California but the weather is great.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 13 hours ago, alsancle said: The weather in southern New England was perfect today and I planned on putting a solid 50 miles on my Stearns Knight. That will have to wait till later in the week as I got side tracked with other stuff... naturally. Perhaps I haven't been paying attention too much lately. You have a Horch??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 8 hours ago, West Peterson said: Perhaps I haven't been paying attention too much lately. You have a Horch??? I must have posted this at some point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 It was a crisp 60 degrees today. I did laps around the block in my Stearns. probably 4 or 5 miles. I want to do a really long ride before winter. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Guess what? A 1935 Packard with a synchromesh transmission is way easier to drive than a 1929 Stearns Knight. I’m trying to get as much driving in before the weather changes in November. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Put the cap back on the Stearns……..or I will disavow you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 10 hours ago, edinmass said: Put the cap back on the Stearns……..or I will disavow you. That took a while for you to notice. I put a note on the box that it goes to you if I drop dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 hours ago, alsancle said: That took a while for you to notice. I put a note on the box that it goes to you if I drop dead. The car and the mascot please.......no one want's it anyways............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 7:10 AM, West Peterson said: Perhaps I haven't been paying attention too much lately. You have a Horch??? It's an overgrown VW.............we call it the fahrvergnugen ........... it's German for fun to push down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, edinmass said: The car and the mascot please.......no one want's it anyways............ Asked by a man who rightfully says that gaudy Lalique Eagle heads (or Chickens, or any other of that size) don't belong on Classic Cars. I must add that the Stearns hood ornament is even more gaudy than Lalique's Eagle. (... and, no, I'm not even a fan of the pelican/cormorant for Packard, either). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Su8overdrive Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) Less is more. Always. Certainly when it comes to comic opera gargoyles on the hoods of understated auld road cars, luxe or not. Edited October 26, 2023 by Su8overdrive (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 78 degree day here in New England. Really beautiful out. I did 26.3 miles in my Stearns which was 1/2 of what I wanted. Seems that replacing the anti-freeze with water solved why all of a sudden it ran hot in NE after running cool in southern Florida. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, alsancle said: 78 degree day here in New England. Really beautiful out. I did 26.3 miles in my Stearns which was 1/2 of what I wanted. Seems that replacing the anti-freeze with water solved why all of a sudden it ran hot in NE after running cool in southern Florida. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den41Buick Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 3:17 PM, alsancle said: Guess what? A 1935 Packard with a synchromesh transmission is way easier to drive than a 1929 Stearns Knight. I’m trying to get as much driving in before the weather changes in November. There is not much prettier than looking over the hood of a 30's Packard. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 At 72 inches the hood on this Stearns is the same as a 35 Packard 12. This cars is a bit longer than others as Brunn extended the cowl into the drivers compartment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I'm assuming you're just measuring the hood, and not including the cowl in your measurement. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, West Peterson said: I'm assuming you're just measuring the hood, and not including the cowl in your measurement. Correct? I measure from edge of windshield to tip of radiator. Which is the way the hood presents. V windsheild cars like the Horch and a Dietrich Packard I measure sides and middle because there is a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Ohhhh.... okay. Unless I'm wrong, the actual hood panel of the Packard is longer than the Duesenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Any idea of how a 745 measures up using the same “edge of windshield to tip of the radiator “? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Is this really turning into a measuring contest? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 28 minutes ago, John Bloom said: Any idea of how a 745 measures up using the same “edge of windshield to tip of the radiator “? Since the measurement for a 734 is 61 inches, I'm going to say that the measurement for the 745 is 55 or 56 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, West Peterson said: Since the measurement for a 734 is 61 inches, I'm going to say that the measurement for the 745 is 55 or 56 inches. I was going to mention the Packard hoods are actually not that long. But, unfortunately, I didn’t write any of these things down. So the only ones I actually remember are for the cars I own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 4 hours ago, West Peterson said: Since the measurement for a 734 is 61 inches, I'm going to say that the measurement for the 745 is 55 or 56 inches. 3 hours ago, alsancle said: I was going to mention the Packard hoods are actually not that long. But, unfortunately, I didn’t write any of these things down. So the only ones I actually remember are for the cars I own. Just measured the 734 this morning. It's five or six inches longer than the 745. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, West Peterson said: Just measured the 734 this morning. It's five or six inches longer than the 745. Length? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I just measured an 845 and a 645 and they were both about 66.5” Phantom II RR is 71”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The Horch 853 has a V windshield and it is 66 down the middle but 72 on the sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, alsancle said: I just measured an 845 and a 645 and they were both about 66.5” Phantom II RR is 71”. That makes me believe the wrong numbers were looked at when measuring the 734, because it would be longer than the 845 by about 6 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) To quote a famous line in the movie Blazing Saddles.........."Excuse me while I whip this out!"................just taken one hour ago. Here's my ride today..............77 inches baby! 😎 If you know the car, PLEASE do not disclose it. Thanks. Edited October 31, 2023 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, edinmass said: To quote a famous line in the movie Blazing Saddles.........."Excuse me while I whip this out!"................just taken one hour ago. Here's my ride today..............77 inches baby! 😎 If you know the car, PLEASE do not disclose it. Thanks. Can you please measure one either J and the JN and give us those numbers? I'm not surpised by that length. The hood looks immense in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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