twin6 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Before there was photoshop. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: Flint, Michigan, 1910 according to the caption provided. An interesting low-sided, compact looking, short body (4 pass?) touring there. I can't see any sign of rear springs. Maybe it has a transverse setup - as Paige did at the time. Is the rear car a Hupmobile 20 touring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLynskey Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 12 hours ago, twin6 said: To get back to this photo, the unique radiator shape, split running boards and toolbox set into the fender certainly look like the 1913 Oakland below. The cowl lights are also similar but the cowl itself is not. Don 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 hours ago, DLynskey said: To get back to this photo, the unique radiator shape, split running boards and toolbox set into the fender certainly look like the 1913 Oakland below. The cowl lights are also similar but the cowl itself is not. Don I resorted to my copy of 75 Years of Pontiac Oakland for answers but even then I couldn't come up with a definitive answer as to when there was a change of cowl style. The white car in these photos appears to be the 'other' body style available for the big six - a 'close-coupled four passenger touring'. As typical of the era the four passenger body ends about level with the rear edge of the rear tyre and the seven passenger body extends further to the rear. There was supposedly another larger model, on a 138" wheelbase with a 445 cid engine in 1913-14 (compared with the 130" wheelbase and 389 cid engine of the 6-60) but now I am confused and don't know whether we have examples of both models on this page or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkmac63 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 13 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: While on the subject of big Oaklands, I have had these two photos filed for some time but can't find any reference as to the exact model. The original source notes them as being 1913 I think they may be the 1914 6-60, Oakland's last really big car - I believe it's the Model 6-48, which was new for Oakland in 1914. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkmac63 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 13 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: I think this one is an Oakland but I am not 100% sure - and I am not sure whether the car should have right or left hand drive. Both versions posted. Oakland Model 6-48 Speedster, 1914. I think LHD is correct - 75 Years of Pontiac & Oakland lists the new model as featuring LHD steering. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 10 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: Studebaker was my first thought on this one too, but the disc wheels didn't come in until the 1922 model year I think and this one looks earlier. This is a 1920 Model EG according to the caption with it. At that time when wheel choice was woods or wires. A 1921 in Washington state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 15 hours ago, George K said: Any guesses. Ed should know. Ok no takers. 1921 Pierce Rubay bodied roadster. I would own that Pierce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 hours ago, bkmac63 said: Oakland Model 6-48 Speedster, 1914. I think LHD is correct - 75 Years of Pontiac & Oakland lists the new model as featuring LHD steering. These 1914 - 15 Oakland's are another car that appears to be very rare today. A big 6 Cyl. car from a mid price maker. I expect a reasonable number were produced, but I virtually never hear of one existing in the post war , vintage car world. Even the 4's appear to be pretty rare today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 These folks are way to clean to have spent any time around a Stanley. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 10 hours ago, 8E45E said: A 1921 in Washington state. Note the hood louvres are different compared to the original mystery car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 A colourised photo from Western Australia taken in the 1920s. What is the truck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 A great 1911 photo from Iowa of an Everett car. Photo credit - The State Historical Society of Iowa. How does that removeable outer rim system work? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1912Staver Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said: A great 1911 photo from Iowa of an Everett car. Photo credit - The State Historical Society of Iowa. How does that removeable outer rim system work? I think these are just like most 3 piece rims . A main rim, that in this case attaches directly to the wheel felloe , a side ring and a lock ring . The majority of rims from around this time up to about the mid teens were similar in principal. But most are detachable as well unlike these ones. If you look in Dykes there is a illustration showing Firestone rims . I believe they call this type the " Type A ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, 1912Staver said: I think these are just like most 3 piece rims . A main rim, that in this case attaches directly to the wheel felloe , a side ring and a lock ring . The majority of rims from around this time up to about the mid teens were similar in principal. But most are detachable as well unlike these ones. If you look in Dykes there is a illustration showing Firestone rims . I believe they call this type the " Type A ". I was puzzled because the out ring looks to be one-piece. I wonder how they are fitted and what secures them. The lock rings on the Kelsey-Hayes wires on my 1929 Studebaker are split, and effectively held in place by the tyre. A more common, obviously later, system I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I stumbled over this one on Flickr while looking for something else. A photo from the National Library of Ireland. Supposedly a spectator driving a 'panhard' (sic) arriving for the 1903 Gordon-Bennett race in Ireland but I think it is actually Charles Glidden and his wife and companions in the 1902 Napier as part of their round the world trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1912Staver Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, nzcarnerd said: I was puzzled because the out ring looks to be one-piece. I wonder how they are fitted and what secures them. The lock rings on the Kelsey-Hayes wires on my 1929 Studebaker are split, and effectively held in place by the tyre. A more common, obviously later, system I think On three piece rims the outer rim is one piece. The lock ring is split. The type A in this illustration is detachable, but other than that is the same as the non - detachable rim in the photo; Edited February 21, 2022 by 1912Staver (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, twin6 said: I guess this is a different Russ Collins but more well known to a later generation - 😀 - NHRA Motorcycle Pioneer Russ Collins Dies - My Life at Speed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, twin6 said: A pity the hubcap is missing. It is wearing a 1934-35 Buick hood ornament. Maybe it is a 1930 or '31 big Buick?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I found this photo of an unidentified car on an Australian site. Supposedly taken in the 1930s, which I guess is possible. Obviously an Oakland but can someone be sure of the model year? My guess is late teens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 This car is not a mystery - it is a circa 1902 (British) Star 12 hp according to the attached article - but has an interesting history - The Silver Bowl: Sometimes a Picture (sharonoddiebrown.blogspot.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 A photo posted on fb by Dean Zwicker from a batch he bought. Interesting speedster but from the very long wheelbase and the style of the rear hubs I think it may have begun life as a mid teens Locomobile - 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 A large American coupe - from circa 1931-33 maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkmac63 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 9 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: I found this photo of an unidentified car on an Australian site. Supposedly taken in the 1930s, which I guess is possible. Obviously an Oakland but can someone be sure of the model year? My guess is late teens. Fully rounded leading edge on the front fenders and (what look to be) 8-bolt front wheel hubs - I think it's 1920. The lower support frame for the windscreen posts is unusual; I wonder who the body-builder was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keiser31 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 5 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: A large American coupe - from circa 1931-33 maybe? Possibly a 1933-34 Dodge Brothers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 15 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: I stumbled over this one on Flickr while looking for something else. A photo from the National Library of Ireland. Supposedly a spectator driving a 'panhard' (sic) arriving for the 1903 Gordon-Bennett race in Ireland but I think it is actually Charles Glidden and his wife and companions in the 1902 Napier as part of their round the world trip. Sure looks like him. Here he is in the Napier, leaving Minneapolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hddennis Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Is the Napier equipped with railroad wheels? Sure looks like it is. Howard Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varun Coutinho Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 hours ago, twin6 said: 1908 Aerocar 20Hp Model E Touring Runabout 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Aerocar, thank you. I should have paid better attention to the radiator cap. The signage distracted me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I hope this period image doesn't cause stress. I learned from a reliable source it's a c. 1908 Pierce Great Arrow with column shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 hours ago, hddennis said: Is the Napier equipped with railroad wheels? Sure looks like it is. Howard Dennis Yes, he ran it on rails for parts of his journey. He wrote at least one book about his travels. I guess we should look for copies to read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 For all of you Model A Ford types who have the thought that you have seen any and every Model A photo taken during the era when hey were new ,here is one of your favorite make and model , I will let you give us some feedback as to year and most important location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hddennis Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: Yes, he ran it on rails for parts of his journey. He wrote at least one book about his travels. I guess we should look for copies to read. That has to be one of the earliest road to rail conversions. Howard Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Here's a better look at the Pierce Great Arrow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 “Great” in using the description of a Pierce Arrow was dropped early on..........because it was redundant. True story.........Glidden Tour magazine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Walt G said: For all of you Model A Ford types who have the thought that you have seen any and every Model A photo taken during the era when hey were new ,here is one of your favorite make and model , I will let you give us some feedback as to year and most important location. 1930. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 And not in North America, from the license plate and odd headlights lenses/reflectors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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