Help identify a tail light lens

[AB-Buff]

Hi

I need some help identifying this tail light lens, it measures 3.990" at the largest OD (not quite round).  I know there were a few cars in 32-34 that came withe the blue dot configuration.  I also know this is NOT Lincoln, Lincoln is larger.  Any help is appreciated

Thank you!

[keiser31]

Actually, no cars came with blue dot lenses from the factory. That was added later to the lens or it is an aftermarket lens.

[AB-Buff]

12 minutes ago, keiser31 said:

Actually, no cars came with blue dot lenses from the factory. That was added later to the lens or it is an aftermarket lens.

 

1934 Lincoln came fro the factory with Blue dots, I heard Cadillac did to but not sure.  I am 100% sure Lincoln in 34 had the Blue dots.

 

[Restorer32]

Actually, some Packard 12's had Blue Dots from the factory.

[keiser31]

Color me embarrassed. I had no idea that blue dots came from the factory on any car. Learn sumpin' new every day.

[Spinneyhill]

I think The Filling Station has lenses with blue dots in them.

[Johan Boltendal]

Cadillac of '32 and '33 have this glass with the blue dot from the factory. It is red in some states back then, where blue was not allowed.

This dimension suits a Cadillac . Should you want to sell, please let me know. I'm interested .

jboltendal at hotmail.com

[Pfeil]

22 hours ago, keiser31 said:

Color me embarrassed. I had no idea that blue dots came from the factory on any car. Learn sumpin' new every day.

Your not the only one! Anything blue is illegal unless it's government/Police.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Pfeil (see edit history)

[oily rag]

20 minutes ago, Pfeil said:

Your not the only one! Anything blue is illegal unless it's government/Police.

Out here in the west, blue dots are OK but red and blue lights on the roof are not.

[Graham Man]

1934 Lincoln… the blue should be brighter in the day, so easier to see.

[Owen_Dyneto]

With almost 100% absolute certainty it's 1933-1934 Packard Twelve.  See illustration, and the diameter matches as well.

[AB-Buff]

Do you think Cadillac and Packard used the same lens???

[Owen_Dyneto]

No, two different manufacturers, Packard used ORION for their tail lights.  I believe Cadillac used their own internal lamp unit, GUIDE.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Owen_Dyneto (see edit history)

[AB-Buff]

On 11/20/2018 at 7:37 AM, Johan Boltendal said:

Cadillac of '32 and '33 have this glass with the blue dot from the factory. It is red in some states back then, where blue was not allowed.

This dimension suits a Cadillac . Should you want to sell, please let me know. I'm interested .

jboltendal at hotmail.com

Johan according to Owen this is Packard.

[Johan Boltendal]

Interesting, I still think it's Cadillac I'll post a picture of one tomorrow

[AB-Buff]

Sounds great, thank you Johan

[Johan Boltendal]

As promised two pictures of an old not cleaned partly damaged one, still in use.  

The diameter from the outside in widest 3.990 next (rim inside size of glass fit ) 2.668 Blue dot opening 1.285

The press of the glass profile is different in the Cadillac glass, compared to the one from the Packard in the picture,

have a look at both glasses closely and you notice the difference in model of print, visible from the outside. 

Also the blue dot in the Cadillac glass serves two purposes, hence the split in the middle, it serves as a backup lens as well as a stoplight lens.

The Packard may have this as well I don't know, the split is visible from the outside picture of The Cadillac glass,  can't recognize it in the Packard picture.

For me it's a Cadillac glass.   Johan

[AB-Buff]

2 hours ago, Johan Boltendal said:

As promised two pictures of an old not cleaned partly damaged one, still in use.  

The diameter from the outside in widest 3.990 next (rim inside size of glass fit ) 2.668 Blue dot opening 1.285

The press of the glass profile is different in the Cadillac glass, compared to the one from the Packard in the picture,

have a look at both glasses closely and you notice the difference in model of print, visible from the outside. 

Also the blue dot in the Cadillac glass serves two purposes, hence the split in the middle, it serves as a backup lens as well as a stoplight lens.

The Packard may have this as well I don't know, the split is visible from the outside picture of The Cadillac glass,  can't recognize it in the Packard picture.

For me it's a Cadillac glass.   Johan

Johan

I took a few more photos, this time with a black background.  I also measure the lens again and goth the same numbers (or within .005") as yours as far as the OD, Rim inside and the blue dot.  The blue dot is hard to measure but it look right..  Also if you look at the pattern I concur it is Cadillac.  The 34 Lincoln blue dot has the same blue dot and the same size.  I'm thinking for a big lens like this they were a standard size.

Lynn

[Jeff Snook]

Hey all, I'm new to the forum, so hope I'm asking the right way.  I inherited a 1933 Cadillac 355C from my father a few years ago.  Took it to the Auburn Spring Meet this past May.  The judges questioned the blue dot tail light lenses and it appears I got some points deducted (although did get it's first junior!).  Anyway I was interested to see this thread and wondering where I could find a definitive answer to prove to the judges they were (or were not) original to the car.  Thanks for any help!

[AB-Buff]

Hi

I'm not sure any Cadillac guys are going to look at this thread again.  I would suggest starting a new topic and putting something in the subject  like "1933 Cadillac judging blue dot tail light"   I think you will get more attention

Lynn

[pmhowe]

Jeff,

That 1933 Cadillac is a handsome car. I'd love to see more pictures of it.

Phil

[Paul Dobbin]

I got stopped one night by a young COP who told me "nothing other then an emergency vehicle could display a blue light" and something about

cars never came with them when new.  I told him my car (1934 Ford Tudor) had them when i bought it 20 yeard before, but if he was going to site

me for it, please quote the Statute number, and I would post it in the Antique Car Club newsletter that I was the Editor of.  He spent 5 minutes in

his car and came back & said, He "was only gong to give me a verbal warning this time."

I thought they only gave of a purple light anyway, unlike the lights on his patrol car.

[BlackStar]

On 12/9/2018 at 2:17 PM, Jeff Snook said:

Hey all, I'm new to the forum, so hope I'm asking the right way.  I inherited a 1933 Cadillac 355C from my father a few years ago.  Took it to the Auburn Spring Meet this past May.  The judges questioned the blue dot tail light lenses and it appears I got some points deducted (although did get it's first junior!).  Anyway I was interested to see this thread and wondering where I could find a definitive answer to prove to the judges they were (or were not) original to the car.  Thanks for any help!

Sorry to hear the judges questioned the tail lens with blue dot.... they are  correct stock original. I find that even the judges at Hershey have no Knowledge of what tail light or HL lenses are correct. The Hershey library does not even have any original lens guides. Take care of those lenses, they are rare to find these days.
beautiful car!