bypass Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Hi everyone! I hope you're well. I need your help if possible. The starter engine of my Chrylser series 65 doesn´t work...or rather...the electric engine of the starter works but it does not move the flywheel.... It´s a Delco Remy: 714-D 196144 MADE IN U.S.A. I don´t know what happened..... Someone have a technical scheme? or photos of other starter´s? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 the title of the topic must be "Chrysler Series 65 - Problem With Starter"...... thanks everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 I take it it spins but will not engage the flywheel. Put it in a vise and bench test it to see if the Bendix drive moves the whole way back. If it moves correctly make sure the flywheel is not missing teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 If 29Chry's understanding of your post is correct (spins but doesn't throw into flywheel) and assuming engine is free, not locked up, while on bench when your moved gear back into contact position did it move freely/easily??? Looks clean in photo but if any stickiness/resistance could be sticking on inner crud etc.. If throwing into flywheeland spinning should make some scraping noise even if teeth broken off---but do inspect flywheel teeth, as mentioned above; starter gear looks like appreciable wear, flywheel probably has similar, you may want to remove/replace or turn around original if replacement needed but NLA...If no inspection place, with starter off take plugs out, should be able to rotate by belt, checking teeth thru starter hole.. If throws in but won't turn, pop the band and check brush contacts; problem would be elec failure somewhere---starter getting enough power to throw in but not enough to turn engine over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 ..at this moment..the starter is in the electrician..to inspect... but it´s not easy have the knowledge about a starter with almost 90 years ...that´s why I ask about some technical scheme, or pics...!I don´t know if some spring is missing in the bendix.... The flywheel seems ok...the starter never missing...until yesterday...but I will rotate the flywheel 360º to check all the teeth at worst...the car have the hole for hand crank start...it´s possible star this engine with hand crank??...I never did that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert b Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 It is possible that you have broken bendix spring , it is behind the small gear on the starter bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hchris Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, robert b said: It is possible that you have broken bendix spring , it is behind the small gear on the starter bob If the engine turns over freely with the crank handle and the starter motor spins when you activate the starter, then its highly likely that the internal Bendix spring has broken. Sourcing a replacement spring will be difficult, you need a vintage supply specialist to source one; any good auto electrician should be able to install it for you. Having said that, an on line search for vintage starter repairs should unearth a fix for you. Edited July 18, 2016 by hchris add words (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwellens Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I think you have a broken bendix spring See is this helps picture helps: starter motor.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha39 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) What you have described is definitely a broken bendix spring. Although you got a good response from members maybe next time you need help you might post under the Technical section or in the Chrysler group to get a better response Edited July 18, 2016 by Sasha39 Better answer (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 That´s it....the bendix spring is broken ......now the difficulty is to find a spring.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Hi, Here is the spring broken... does anyone know where I can find one?? A friend of mine have one..but it´s for Ford A, and the direction of rotation is different..... http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_model_a/model-a-ford-bendix-starter-spring-3-8.html Fortunately I already tested, and the engine start with hand crank...but I have to repair the starter...! Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 If you are in the US it is easy to source through a starter shop. I had one put in my '39 Allis-Chalmers last fall. Overnight delivery and $27. My starter has a single locking bolt too! IT is hidden by the hydraulic line. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Hi Bernie, I´m in Portugal....but if you give me the name of the shops..I can contact them! I have a friend in US! Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwellens Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 The spring is fairly common as it fit many starters. See attached: Bendix springs.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Here is where I take all my starters and generators: http://www.prorebuilders.com/pr/ They are friendly, helpful, and will probably send things to you. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Did you manage to find a new spring? Was the spring the only part broken? I have the same starter with a broken spring, sleeve, and a clip....:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 Hi everyone and thanks for all the answers, I already contact http://www.prorebuilders.com/pr/ , by email, but I have no answer... The spring is the only part broken of the starter.. I soldered the spring! It´s working! but, of course..it is not to trust...whenever I can, I start the engine with the hand cranck. I have to keep looking! On the other hand... - I´m also looking for a flathead engine, in this case, the "silver dome"...is cracked in the 5º 6º cylinder, and lose some water when is very hot....anyone knows where can I find one? - the engine is working with a fuel pump airtex (6v) that have 5 - 8 psi. I want to by another one, but I only find the same model with 2,5 - 4 psi !! Its really necessary this engine have 5-8 psi? or I´m spending fuel exaggeratedly? What is your opinion? Here is the fuel pump that is in the car: Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oily rag Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 You need a low pressure pump. 5 PSI can force fuel past the needle valve seat and over fill the float bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 You can get an inline fuel regulator and knock the pressure down to about 2.5 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 So..for you a fuel pump with 2,5 - 4 psi is definitely the best? correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, bypass said: So..for you a fuel pump with 2,5 - 4 psi is definitely the best? correct? In my opinion, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 The weight of around a quart of gas is what the carb will safely handle.( the amount in a vacuum tank ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Use the electric pump you have with a fuel pressure regulator like this one; http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECO-ADJUSTABLE-CHROME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PRESSURE-REGULATOR-1-6-PSI-512-00-/131267189543 Or similar. Experiment with the pressure from 1 to 2.5psi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 And here is the spring for the starter motor. http://www.queenslandtractorspares.com.au/Store/tabid/91/ProdID/3463/Default.aspx Unfortunately they didn't have the 'other' parts that I need for my starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bypass Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 Hi, Thanks for the answers! Maok, this spring http://www.queenslandtractorspares.com.au/Store/tabid/91/ProdID/3463/Default.aspx have a different direction of rotation. It´s not equal. You can compare with my pics Posted July 18 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 10 hours ago, maok said: Use the electric pump you have with a fuel pressure regulator like this one; http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECO-ADJUSTABLE-CHROME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PRESSURE-REGULATOR-1-6-PSI-512-00-/131267189543 Or similar. Experiment with the pressure from 1 to 2.5psi Yep....that is the one I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maok Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, bypass said: Hi, Thanks for the answers! Maok, this spring http://www.queenslandtractorspares.com.au/Store/tabid/91/ProdID/3463/Default.aspx have a different direction of rotation. It´s not equal. You can compare with my pics Posted July 18 Thank you Sorry about that. I actually purchased the full Bendix with the spring ; http://www.queenslandtractorspares.com.au/Store/tabid/91/ProdID/5784/Default.aspx Which is the correct spring. They may have the other spring for sale separately as well, send an email to Ross - top bloke. I was hoping the other bendix parts would suit my starter, but no luck without modification. Also, the spring bolt holes need 'reducing' to make the existing bolts fit correctly. Not a difficult task. Edited August 5, 2016 by maok spelling error (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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